Personally when trying to buy items in chat, I used to try placing my WTB in the trade channel first. This stopped after a few times where I would get no responce over the trade channel, but I got one or two responces the instant I said it into local chat. I've come to realise that even the people trying to sell things turn the trade channel off.
So I'm woundering if the trade channel has any purpose since no-one seems to ever use it, and I can't see any way to make them.
If you get filters implemented then people would just figure out ways around them, untill you reach the point where the filters annoy people chatting but the spammers still get around them (like how the anti-piracy coding on software hurts the legitimate purchaser, but the software pirates still disable it eaisly)
If an auction house gets implemented, then the trade channel would also become useless.
Then again, if the trade chat was removed it would only (very slightly) lessen the load on ANETs servers. If its kept, I'll just leave it turned off.
So, does anyone have a good reason as to why the trade chat sould remain when almost no-one uses it ?
Or some way to force it to be used as its intended to be used ? Be specific eg. dont say "filters" say "filter these text strings:"
Does the trade chat have any reason to remain ?
bilateralrope
Guttersnipe
Well, I use it. But in many areas, the trade chat is largely ignored. I often see (what I presume are) bots in LA, Droks, and Kaineng spamming the local channel. I know I've traded with a couple bots before, cause they have an auto response to PM's.
Lepton CFd
How do trade bots respond to price offers?
Winterclaw
I still use trade chat. However what I buy depends on how much money I have and what's being offered. How much trade is going on is also an issue. If there are too many people hawking things, I tend to buy squat.
Malice Black
getting rid of trade chat solves nothing, some of us still us it just avoid LA and droks dist1 i find its easier to sell in dist2&3 or i just wait for WTB's to appear then PM that person
bilateralrope
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getting rid of trade chat solves nothing,
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Melissa Is HOT
lol Bilateralrope i just love your avatar for some reason idk what its from or anything its just really cool looking.
I don't see a purpose for it so removing it would just make it so i dont get to see a variety of pretty colored text O_o meh. Doesn't matter, few people use it, few people listen to it. Chuck it.
~signed
I don't see a purpose for it so removing it would just make it so i dont get to see a variety of pretty colored text O_o meh. Doesn't matter, few people use it, few people listen to it. Chuck it.
~signed
Omnidragon42
I use trade chat all the time 
its very useful when you're looking for buyers instead of spamming just WTS (I usually put local off).
its very useful when you're looking for buyers instead of spamming just WTS (I usually put local off).
sinisters chaos
go to LA d1 w/o trade chat.. and you cant point out a thing... trade chat helps A LOT.
lyroth.grimstone
I sure hope they will implement a chat filter before the new game becomes like the old one. Did those retards who sell in All channel ever think i dont wanna buy stuff and so i turned off Trade Channel? I just wanna play the game and find my own weapons?? I wanna talk and answer to other ppl playing this game? I was forced to turn off all channels so i could even talk to my guildies or team.
Trade channel is there for a reason and Anet should punish those who dont respect other 90% normal ppl who just wanna chat and play not look at nonstop jibberish rolling over and over ...
Punishment? Like maybe 10 min of mute on all channels ?? How?? Simple. They always spam the same stuff all over so if it is repeated (not looking for additional characters they put in so they can spam even faster) they are punished. There could be some filter ignoring those who look for players and recruiters maybe ( LFG LFP). In the trade chat they can spam their mother off if they wish since i have it disabled anyway.
Even better way - let me write my own rules on what to ignore completely in at least All channel. First there will be like 5min work to input rules and then a 70% drop of spam in my window. WOW. Every now and then i could update and thats it. Problem solved.
Imho the auction house wont help a lot but i may be surprised.
Trade channel is there for a reason and Anet should punish those who dont respect other 90% normal ppl who just wanna chat and play not look at nonstop jibberish rolling over and over ...
Punishment? Like maybe 10 min of mute on all channels ?? How?? Simple. They always spam the same stuff all over so if it is repeated (not looking for additional characters they put in so they can spam even faster) they are punished. There could be some filter ignoring those who look for players and recruiters maybe ( LFG LFP). In the trade chat they can spam their mother off if they wish since i have it disabled anyway.
Even better way - let me write my own rules on what to ignore completely in at least All channel. First there will be like 5min work to input rules and then a 70% drop of spam in my window. WOW. Every now and then i could update and thats it. Problem solved.
Imho the auction house wont help a lot but i may be surprised.
Wyvern King
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I sure hope they will implement a chat filter before the new game becomes like the old one. Did those retards who sell in All channel ever think i dont wanna buy stuff and so i turned off Trade Channel? I just wanna play the game and find my own weapons?? I wanna talk and answer to other ppl playing this game? I was forced to turn off all channels so i could even talk to my guildies or team.
Trade channel is there for a reason and Anet should punish those who dont respect other 90% normal ppl who just wanna chat and play not look at nonstop jibberish rolling over and over ... Punishment? Like maybe 10 min of mute on all channels ?? How?? Simple. They always spam the same stuff all over so if it is repeated (not looking for additional characters they put in so they can spam even faster) they are punished. There could be some filter ignoring those who look for players and recruiters maybe ( LFG LFP). In the trade chat they can spam their mother off if they wish since i have it disabled anyway. Even better way - let me write my own rules on what to ignore completely in at least All channel. First there will be like 5min work to input rules and then a 70% drop of spam in my window. WOW. Every now and then i could update and thats it. Problem solved. Imho the auction house wont help a lot but i may be surprised. |
You could also use it for looking for groups (make a bind of choosing 'LFG/GLF - Profession - lvl - types'
eg
LFG - Necromancer - 20 - MM, SS, Orders
(although apart from some preset builds you'd need to be able to write your own in that section)
It also might help stop scammers in trade selling stuff they say is rare to newbs
lord of shadow
how about we just start using the trade chat to talk normally in, and disable local
BogusDude
Trade channel is useful for large multi-regional cities, its enough to hop from town to town without having to do every region too.
The console doesn't even allow me to spam....even if i advertise in local then switch to Trade i have to wait before i can paste else it gets rejected. I looked to find option to deselect whatever stops me doing it but couldn't find anything. I just wish it was same for everyone :P
I won't name anyone, although i think we should name and shame, but this is one of my biggest pet hates when u see this kind of advert
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________1
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________2
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________3
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________4
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________5
Joe Bloggs: LFP for mission
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________6
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________7
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________8
At least theres enough to remember Spammers name to never buy off them (God i'm stubborn lol)
The console doesn't even allow me to spam....even if i advertise in local then switch to Trade i have to wait before i can paste else it gets rejected. I looked to find option to deselect whatever stops me doing it but couldn't find anything. I just wish it was same for everyone :P
I won't name anyone, although i think we should name and shame, but this is one of my biggest pet hates when u see this kind of advert
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________1
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________2
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________3
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________4
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________5
Joe Bloggs: LFP for mission
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________6
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________7
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________8
At least theres enough to remember Spammers name to never buy off them (God i'm stubborn lol)
Aki Soyokaze
Even without spammers the trade and normal chat channels get overloaded with people selling things in Lions Arch and Ascalon. Which is why I'd kinda like to see them to impliment a stall system for selling items/materials that I saw in Silkroad; so that you can sell items by allowing people to see what you want to sell and the price you're asking for for that item. This way you don't have to continually spam what you want to sell in order for people to see what you want to sell.
I also think that a new system against spammers needs to be put in place, where if you message more than a specified amount in a given time you're banned from using chat for a certain amount of time. Which will hopefully curtail the kind of spam avert.s that BogusDude mentioned:
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________1
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________2
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________3
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________4
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________5
Joe Bloggs: LFP for mission
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________6
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________7
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________8
But I don't know if these things would be possible impliment or not.
I also think that a new system against spammers needs to be put in place, where if you message more than a specified amount in a given time you're banned from using chat for a certain amount of time. Which will hopefully curtail the kind of spam avert.s that BogusDude mentioned:
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________1
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________2
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________3
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________4
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________5
Joe Bloggs: LFP for mission
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________6
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________7
Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________8
But I don't know if these things would be possible impliment or not.
Evilsod
I think the easiest solution is the ignore list... They make it longer i will quite happily put every dickhead on it who sits in ToA spamming the example in BogusDudes post. LA, Ascalon and Droknars dis 1 i'm not bothered about, if i actually need something other than items i won't go there, but when your best chance of finding anything is ToA dis 1, you have little choice but to keep All Chat open, or i guess you could sit at the side w/ All chat off saying Monk LFG to FoW and wait for an invite 
Tien ak
Well I must say in my 6 months of playing I've never seen a decent coversation in Guild wars apart from "your a noob" "no You are" and constant bickering ugh 
I think when the auction house comes in it'll be great just put your items on leave it carry on with the game. But it annoyies me so much when you get people shouting "use Trade channel N00B" do you know how hard and time consuming it is to sell items, I remeber having a perfect necro staff it took me two days to sell it. Did I use local chat you bet I did I used both Local and Trade to be presise.
Trade channel is very hard to sell on as its dark red which is so difficult to read its stupid, whilst local is white so its more easier to read.
I think that yes Trade channel should either be deleted or chage the font color.
And also what is your prob with LFG and LFP how else are they going to find people? self invite? please..
/Signed Trade channel is useless
I think when the auction house comes in it'll be great just put your items on leave it carry on with the game. But it annoyies me so much when you get people shouting "use Trade channel N00B" do you know how hard and time consuming it is to sell items, I remeber having a perfect necro staff it took me two days to sell it. Did I use local chat you bet I did I used both Local and Trade to be presise.
Trade channel is very hard to sell on as its dark red which is so difficult to read its stupid, whilst local is white so its more easier to read.
I think that yes Trade channel should either be deleted or chage the font color.
And also what is your prob with LFG and LFP how else are they going to find people? self invite? please..
/Signed Trade channel is useless
Ira Blinks
/not signed
trade channel = good. community = bad.
Removing ignore list limitation is ideal solution for local spammers problem.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3027836
trade channel = good. community = bad.
Removing ignore list limitation is ideal solution for local spammers problem.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3027836
Riplox
There are a few solutions you can do yourself.
1 - Don't go to D1 of any major trading town unless absolutely necessary.
2 - Turn off Pub chat.
3 - Don't let it bother you so much.
1 - Don't go to D1 of any major trading town unless absolutely necessary.
2 - Turn off Pub chat.
3 - Don't let it bother you so much.
Ira Blinks
See Evilsod's reply in my thread - local chat is for finding group, most people can not just turn it off.
Evilsod
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See Evilsod's reply in my thread - local chat is for finding group, most people can not just turn it off.
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robrobrob
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So, does anyone have a good reason as to why the trade chat sould remain when almost no-one uses it ?
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healthsoldier0570
I hate that pinkish color for the trade chat, I want that chat to die...
robrobrob
So turn it off. Duh.
mqstout
I will ONLY trade with someone who posts in the trade channel, and only in the trade channel.
BrotherGilburt
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Even without spammers the trade and normal chat channels get overloaded with people selling things in Lions Arch and Ascalon. Which is why I'd kinda like to see them to impliment a stall system for selling items/materials that I saw in Silkroad; so that you can sell items by allowing people to see what you want to sell and the price you're asking for for that item. This way you don't have to continually spam what you want to sell in order for people to see what you want to sell.
I also think that a new system against spammers needs to be put in place, where if you message more than a specified amount in a given time you're banned from using chat for a certain amount of time. Which will hopefully curtail the kind of spam avert.s that BogusDude mentioned: Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________1 Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________2 Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________3 Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________4 Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________5 Joe Bloggs: LFP for mission Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________6 Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________7 Spammer: WTS Enchant Axe mod 20% ___________________8 But I don't know if these things would be possible impliment or not. |
Brother Gilburt
Riplox
Ragnarok has done it pretty well. The only problem is that you need to plant your character somewhere and most people don't just want to sit there all day waiting for someone to come along and see what they have.
What they need to do is have something that you can click on in your inventory window that will create a ghost of you with a little dialog box above it with the description of your "store". Then all people ahve to do is click on your ghost, like a merchant, and it will have listings of your items with prices next to them. When they buy, it will go right into storage.
What they need to do is have something that you can click on in your inventory window that will create a ghost of you with a little dialog box above it with the description of your "store". Then all people ahve to do is click on your ghost, like a merchant, and it will have listings of your items with prices next to them. When they buy, it will go right into storage.
Tien ak
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Ragnarok has done it pretty well. The only problem is that you need to plant your character somewhere and most people don't just want to sit there all day waiting for someone to come along and see what they have.
What they need to do is have something that you can click on in your inventory window that will create a ghost of you with a little dialog box above it with the description of your "store". Then all people ahve to do is click on your ghost, like a merchant, and it will have listings of your items with prices next to them. When they buy, it will go right into storage. |
They should have a Trade merchant were you click on him and it to be organised into catagorise (can't spell)
eg Sword, axe, shield etc.
You click on them and it takes you to everyones stock of every item that is being sold.
I don't think this would completely remove spam as we have alot of inpaitent players on GW but at least it would remove a big chunk of it.
Also perhaps they should add anouther chat tab maybe enable team chat to be used without a party so people can use that to find teams.
mariano
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Personally when trying to buy items in chat, I used to try placing my WTB in the trade channel first. This stopped after a few times where I would get no responce over the trade channel, but I got one or two responces the instant I said it into local chat. I've come to realise that even the people trying to sell things turn the trade channel off.
[...] If an auction house gets implemented, then the trade channel would also become useless. [...] So, does anyone have a good reason as to why the trade chat sould remain when almost no-one uses it ? |
I agree that if an Auction House were implemented, the trade channel might be closed.
Ace XL
I like the auction house idea, especially if you make it international. wouldn't that be gr8? i mean, if i want to buy something its nearly impossible, not to mention when you're trying to sell stuff. wouldn't this be fixed with an auction house, wouldn't everyone go there if they're planning on buying/selling stuff?
MDeshame
My solution is to force the WTB, WTT, WTS, etc chat into the Trade channel, using filtering similar to Anti-Spam filtering used by Email servers.
Then give a warning and a 5 minute mute for the first offence, second offence a 48 hour ban, third offence, a 2 week ban, fourth offence, permanent ban.
At least you get 3 shots to figure out where Shift 4 is. Personally, I'd say first offence is a 48 hour ban, second offence is a drive shooting, and a permanent ban, but some of you squishier people think that's a little harsh.
Local chat is for finding a group, asking questions (not do you WTB, WTT, WTS such and such…?), etc.
What's the problem? Anet got their money from the game sale, and we get rid of the people spamming, grieving, annoying, and abusing the system.
I turn off the Trade channel when I am not interested, I turn it on when I’m looking for something. If I didn’t want to see it in Trade, what makes you think I want to see it in local?
The argument that people turn off Trade, so I must spam in local is messed up.
I see this as grieving another player. Anet gave a channel to you for trades; Anet gave us the ability to turn off that channel. By spamming in local, you keep the right use the trade channel, while denying me the right to ignore it.
The ultimate solution for this is to just go ahead and give me the ability to ban people.
I’d correct all of the chat problems fairly quickly, as I believe very strongly the best way to jump start a stubborn fark-wads IQ, is by giving them a swift hard kick in the pants every time they mess up.
Funny, I never had to kick some one more than twice…
Then give a warning and a 5 minute mute for the first offence, second offence a 48 hour ban, third offence, a 2 week ban, fourth offence, permanent ban.
At least you get 3 shots to figure out where Shift 4 is. Personally, I'd say first offence is a 48 hour ban, second offence is a drive shooting, and a permanent ban, but some of you squishier people think that's a little harsh.
Local chat is for finding a group, asking questions (not do you WTB, WTT, WTS such and such…?), etc.
What's the problem? Anet got their money from the game sale, and we get rid of the people spamming, grieving, annoying, and abusing the system.
I turn off the Trade channel when I am not interested, I turn it on when I’m looking for something. If I didn’t want to see it in Trade, what makes you think I want to see it in local?
The argument that people turn off Trade, so I must spam in local is messed up.
I see this as grieving another player. Anet gave a channel to you for trades; Anet gave us the ability to turn off that channel. By spamming in local, you keep the right use the trade channel, while denying me the right to ignore it.
The ultimate solution for this is to just go ahead and give me the ability to ban people.
I’d correct all of the chat problems fairly quickly, as I believe very strongly the best way to jump start a stubborn fark-wads IQ, is by giving them a swift hard kick in the pants every time they mess up.
Funny, I never had to kick some one more than twice…
Dougal Kronik
I actually use it in Missions or when I'm with a party. I use all the channels, depending on how many professions there are in the party.
I usually have the elementalists/mesmers talk or report on the Trade channel.
So I want to keep it.
Also, with the merchs, and storage in the Guild Hall - I'm very rarely in any of the towns anymore.
I usually have the elementalists/mesmers talk or report on the Trade channel.
So I want to keep it.
Also, with the merchs, and storage in the Guild Hall - I'm very rarely in any of the towns anymore.
teh_noob_pwner
What would be the point in removing it? lol
bilateralrope
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My solution is to force the WTB, WTT, WTS, etc chat into the Trade channel, using filtering similar to Anti-Spam filtering used by Email servers.
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Ira Blinks
duh... they dont have to be exact.
bilateralrope
I'm trying to make a point that filters will not work
Oh, you will need to describe exactly guild wars will decide if a text string will be blocked or not for it to be implemented. If you dont provide enough details for someone else to follow then and say with 100% accuracy if a message will be blocked or not, you haven't shown enough infomation for it to be implementable.
Then I will show how the filters wont help be eaither showing how they can bypass the filter and/or I will show how the filter can trigger on legit chat.
Say you block "wts". Then you get "w t s" spam. Block that, and the spammers stick other character in between. So you set the filter to block it if it containts the characters "wts" in that order no matter what is inbetween. Then you will also block things like:
"what are you guys up to ?"
And you will also get "wtś" spam.
Oh, you will need to describe exactly guild wars will decide if a text string will be blocked or not for it to be implemented. If you dont provide enough details for someone else to follow then and say with 100% accuracy if a message will be blocked or not, you haven't shown enough infomation for it to be implementable.
Then I will show how the filters wont help be eaither showing how they can bypass the filter and/or I will show how the filter can trigger on legit chat.
Say you block "wts". Then you get "w t s" spam. Block that, and the spammers stick other character in between. So you set the filter to block it if it containts the characters "wts" in that order no matter what is inbetween. Then you will also block things like:
"what are you guys up to ?"
And you will also get "wtś" spam.
Chris1986
Enough people use the trade chat as to not overwhelm the regular chat.
Yes, many people use Local Chat for selling (I do.. sry
), but if it weren't there, it would be a LOT worse than it is now.
Yes, many people use Local Chat for selling (I do.. sry
), but if it weren't there, it would be a LOT worse than it is now.
Ira Blinks
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I'm trying to make a point that filters will not work
Oh, you will need to describe exactly guild wars will decide if a text string will be blocked or not for it to be implemented. If you dont provide enough details for someone else to follow then and say with 100% accuracy if a message will be blocked or not, you haven't shown enough infomation for it to be implementable. Then I will show how the filters wont help be eaither showing how they can bypass the filter and/or I will show how the filter can trigger on legit chat. Say you block "wts". Then you get "w t s" spam. Block that, and the spammers stick other character in between. So you set the filter to block it if it containts the characters "wts" in that order no matter what is inbetween. Then you will also block things like: "what are you guys up to ?" And you will also get "wtś" spam. |
Ok, if you dont understand, just trust me, it is doable.
ProGamer777
Auctionhouses are a must. Not only would it probably cut down on the spam at least a little, it would also help solidify the economy. You wouldn't scroll through the auctionhouse, see a Bone Dragon mini for 900k, and then two items away see another for 200k. The people putting up their items would, invariably, meet in the middle (most of the time). Yeah, you'd still have price gougers (and those who just want to sell quickly) but it would be a good start to making the market a little more reasonable and easy to follow.
Ishmaeel
Doable, Ira, but only to an extent. Do we really want to the bulk of regexes, knowing full well the human mind will always prevail? There is no definite way to stop trade spam via filtering/blocking/banning. The only solution is to make sure there is no reason to trade spam in the first place (via auction houses or whatever).
Ira Blinks
human mind is overrated... especially when there is another human mind adjusting filters every so often.