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Beware Users Of Post Items In Presearing!!!

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Maxiemonster
Maxiemonster
There is no spoon.
• #21
What I think is going on:
1. You got scammed by someone who thought he was funny my making you sell your great Pre-Searing items from Post-Searing.
2. You're trying to become the only one that owns Pre-Searing items.
3. You're just trying to spread a false rumor for fun.

If ANet wouldn't want us to have these item in Pre-Searing, they'd be banning many people (including me) for using this exploit, but they didn't, and they're too late now, banning people that just own these items would be very lame, since these people might've bought them, which isn't wrong.
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Ghettochild2600
Ascalonian Squire
• #22
Ok first off I think it would be very lame of anet to do this since the exploit was cuased by there own lack of fixing this before it could even happen anyways.2 I wasnt able to use the exploit I found out after it was nerfed I baught all my items legit with my own hard earned cash.If Anet is doing this and If my account is banned for this I will no longer play or buy any other games that they make.here is the pic.



sry about the color detial I used imagecave,I cant find any other image hosting service that can let me upload larger file sizes.

Unfortunatly this is the only pic i got of the conversation there was should have been more.
Esprit
Esprit
Desert Nomad
• #23
Thanks for posting the picture.

Is it possible the guy saw the high level character and started fishing, to see if you have post-searing items, just to mess with people?
Crimson Ashwood
Crimson Ashwood
Frost Gate Guardian
• #24
Aww, man. What I wouldn't give to be an admin in GuildWars...

What were you doing with a Superior Salvage kit in pre-searing anyways?
Eviance
Eviance
Desert Nomad
• #25
My son says your screen is poisoned XD - on another note, thanks for letting us know and I doubt Anet will punish you. Also I am still confused as to how that exploit worked at all in the first place *shrugs*
Swampgirl Inez
Swampgirl Inez
"I love reading trash!"
• #26
Just a reminder:


We don't normally allow names or screens with names posted, but I'll let this slide for now since Gaile asked. In the future, please contact ANet support if you have questions like this.
VGJustice
VGJustice
Desert Nomad
• #27
Actually, Ghettochild2600, I've done stuff like that, too (not acting like an Admin, just guessing what a character happens to have. I have some sense about me). All it takes is a bit of listening and reading between the lines, and you can correctly guess a large ammount about other players. I'll bet you mentioned something about having a Rune on your character (or just mentioned an attribute bonus), which you'd need to have a Sup Salvage kit to get, and you can't get a Sup Salvage kit in Pre. IMO, this guy was trying to get attention by doing this, and now he's got Gaile's attention.
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Djvandal
Academy Page
• #28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eviance
My son says your screen is poisoned XD - on another note, thanks for letting us know and I doubt Anet will punish you. Also I am still confused as to how that exploit worked at all in the first place *shrugs*
I believe it was a problem that allowed guildhall access from pre searing when they were first introduced
BlackRecluse
BlackRecluse
Krytan Explorer
• #29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
If you will kindly post the screenshot or the exact spelling of the character name, I'll check it out. Pretending to be a staff member is against the User Agreement, and anyone who engages in such actions will be blocked and even possibly banned.

Please let me see whatever evidence you have and we'll address this. Thanks.

hey gaile, http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...3024710&page=5, you got bigger fish to fry.

in response to the OP; i highly doubt the admins would do this...

EDIT: oh haha didnt notice the SS. meh still doesnt sound credible, i believe maxie hit it on the head.
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Argen
Frost Gate Guardian
• #30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swampgirl Inez
In the future, please contact ANet support if you have questions like this.
Why so we can get a message along the lines...?

We are working on investigating the possibility of an investigation that may or may not result in the eventual ambiguous answer that will eventually be linked to a chance that there could be a reason to look into a question that could be resolved. (Notice it has nothing to do with your question at at all.)

Sorry, been contacting tech support and game support over some issues. At least with Gaile involved there will be a solution or answer. From technical to game questions, I've found that the real places to get answers are from forums or the wiki, and I'd gather that most of the regular forum users would think the same thing. Even Gaile here is far responsive and far less ambiguous than the Support folks at ANet. Most likely, we will even see what the results of this line of activity were... unlike ANet support.
Eviance
Eviance
Desert Nomad
• #31
Quote:
Originally Posted by Djvandal
I believe it was a problem that allowed guildhall access from pre searing when they were first introduced
Ahh okies thanks now I will no longer wonder WTF! ^_^ Thanks again!
Lepton CFd
Lepton CFd
Frost Gate Guardian
• #32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diablo™
They're making this such a big deal while hundreds of bots are flaunting all over Elona Reach?

I call this a misdistribution of moderation.
Agreed 100%.
Numa Pompilius
Numa Pompilius
Grotto Attendant
• #33
Two wrongs do not make a right. The botter accounts should be fried AS WELL AS, not INSTEAD OF, the pre-searing uberitems.

It's much harder for ANet to prove that someone is using scripts than it is for them to scan pre-searing inventories for runes, superior salvage kits, or any weapon or offhand which is more than 1/3rd of max. And wipe it.

The cheaters in pre-searing is something ANet could fix in a week, botting is something they've been working on since last summer, still haven't got under control - and never will.

That said, ANet ISN'T making a big deal out of this, like Diablo said they were. They're not making a deal of it at all. The "moderator" the OP talked to wasn't, and ANet didn't wipe all the uber-items when they could have, when the exploit was patched. Which means they're not going to.

It's just that I think they should. I really don't like cheaters.
Jeremy Untouchable
Jeremy Untouchable
Wow Stole my freetime
• #34
In case you havnt noticed, You can charge right over to the new "pre" area in factions and steamroll over everything. I guess they dont care if a few people are running around with a lvl 18 presearing toon. lol i was going to do that, its as boreing as watching dye dry ...................
Numa Pompilius
Numa Pompilius
Grotto Attendant
• #35
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Originally Posted by jeremy untouchable
You can charge right over to the new "pre" area in factions and steamroll over everything.
Indeed you can, and it's actually very profitable. I expect the Farming Army will find out about the value of raw materials and runes and yeti pretty soon.
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Braggi
Frost Gate Guardian
• #36
Quote:
Originally Posted by MelechRic
If a bunch of crazy people want to bring post-sear items back through to pre-sear then let them. I figure it's the same group that likes to have level 20 characters there and the items are just a means of leveling more quickly. Or maybe they are just for vanity. Meh... let 'em have the items.
Afaik this was a loophole fixed long ago, so basically the items churn away. Sup salvage kits have countable uses, the rest you can basically view as antiques - strictly counted, not available any more, number decreasing. Anything used (runes applied, weapons customized) is no longer tradeable.

Good weapons are nice and improve kill speed, but as soon as you're ~10 you have the attribute points you need and may solo charr reasonably fast. group is faster and more fun IMO.
Other than that its of course vanity. Hey, my necro wants a true black pre sear leather suit... some people freak out when they see this, not realizing this character intends to stay. So what good is wealth to her?

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
By FUBAR'ing the nice place which is Pre-Searing. It is supposed to be the training-wheel ground for newbies, not somewhere people go to be a big fish in a small pond and impress newbies with their uberness and gear. And of course scam them out of their black dye in the process.
I don't need ubercool dye-farmers & dye-scammers there. Especially not cheating ubercool farmers. It's bad enough that they're infesting the whole rest of Prophecies.

I'm guessing ANet is relying on churn (that accounts gets disused) to slowly remove the uberitems and the millons in gold from pre-searing, but frankly I'd like to see the items and, if possible, the cash, wiped. Cheating should not pay.
Crap. You don't have any actual knowledge but assume. Many of those who intend to stay in pre have, as a rule, little need for wealth. Black is a means to store it as ecto is in post. Often its the residents who protest when scammers "WTB BLACK 150g". Purple item drop is nice but most often not worth more than 150-250g, as some pre quest items are close in stats.

Scammers and dye farmers are not often beyond the wall. Too much effort. Farmers kill flocks of river scales and scammers are the resident traders in ascalon or ranik. And of course they are often passing (when solo) or linked to carriers to reap their profits in post.

Inviting a lvl 10+ in ascalon/pre is the fastest way to get the the res sig quest because s/he understands w/o words what you want. Once in a while I show a new player the ropes (like where to get a pouch, collect some scales, explain a thing or two they ask). If you're a big guild you may afford to have a representative recruiter here, or someone who quickstarts guildies.

As to "cheating should not pay" - afaik this was using a program bug fixed long ago - so technically it can be seen as an exploit. But even UO already took the stance that if "artefacts" come into the game by fault of the developer, they leave them untouched unless this endangers the economy or game balance as a whole. Basically that's a sound stance. People love to collect the most crazy things, so what?
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temp
Lion's Arch Merchant
• #37
there was a bug :S

<--- should pay attention
Gonzo
Gonzo
Jungle Guide
• #38
Report the screenshot to Anet like Gaile said, he will get banned for imporsonating an admin.
MasterDinadan
MasterDinadan
Krytan Explorer
• #39
Quote:
Originally Posted by Braggi
Afaik this was a loophole fixed long ago, so basically the items churn away. Sup salvage kits have countable uses, the rest you can basically view as antiques - strictly counted, not available any more, number decreasing. Anything used (runes applied, weapons customized) is no longer tradeable.

Good weapons are nice and improve kill speed, but as soon as you're ~10 you have the attribute points you need and may solo charr reasonably fast. group is faster and more fun IMO.
Other than that its of course vanity. Hey, my necro wants a true black pre sear leather suit... some people freak out when they see this, not realizing this character intends to stay. So what good is wealth to her?


Crap. You don't have any actual knowledge but assume. Many of those who intend to stay in pre have, as a rule, little need for wealth. Black is a means to store it as ecto is in post. Often its the residents who protest when scammers "WTB BLACK 150g". Purple item drop is nice but most often not worth more than 150-250g, as some pre quest items are close in stats.

Scammers and dye farmers are not often beyond the wall. Too much effort. Farmers kill flocks of river scales and scammers are the resident traders in ascalon or ranik. And of course they are often passing (when solo) or linked to carriers to reap their profits in post.

Inviting a lvl 10+ in ascalon/pre is the fastest way to get the the res sig quest because s/he understands w/o words what you want. Once in a while I show a new player the ropes (like where to get a pouch, collect some scales, explain a thing or two they ask). If you're a big guild you may afford to have a representative recruiter here, or someone who quickstarts guildies.

As to "cheating should not pay" - afaik this was using a program bug fixed long ago - so technically it can be seen as an exploit. But even UO already took the stance that if "artefacts" come into the game by fault of the developer, they leave them untouched unless this endangers the economy or game balance as a whole. Basically that's a sound stance. People love to collect the most crazy things, so what?
Wow! I was gonna mention UO also. That item had tons of strange items that were the result of bugs or loopholes... but that stuff was fun! It was always interesting to see people trying to sell an item that was *truly* unique, or showing off the item in their house :P
Now, runes, greens, golds, etc... are all limited supply in pre-searing. As someone said already, the supply should decrease periodically as a result of churn. If people aren't trading these items, they aren't really part of the pre economy. And if people ARE trading the items, they'll eventually end up in the hands of someone who stops playing the game, takes them into post, customizes/uses them, or whatever, and they leave the economy forever. Eventually, the problem will just solve itself. Sure, there will be people actually using items in pre that are better than items that other people are using. But it won't matter because there is NO COMPETITIVE CONTENT in pre.
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Beeline
Ascalonian Squire
• #40
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
If you will kindly post the screenshot or the exact spelling of the character name, I'll check it out. Pretending to be a staff member is against the User Agreement, and anyone who engages in such actions will be blocked and even possibly banned.

Please let me see whatever evidence you have and we'll address this. Thanks.
Like A net ever ban cheaters or bots, like you ever respond to players who tell you about cheaters - your responses from the "support" are merely bots themselves. And because this isn't a subscription game the common thought circulates - "well we dont pay subscription so Anet doesnt really have to do anything to support us" is so annoying - on your box you preach "enjoy free online gameplay with the security of gameplay hosted servers" BAH, security my hairy ass.

FOR GOD SAKE there has been a plague of bots on your shitty game for months and you do NOTHING about it, so dont treat us like children by telling us bull like your gonna look into something....

And what do you mean they will be blocked and MAYBE banned - YOUR OWN EULA SAYS BAN for impersonating employee, it doesnt say blocked and "maybe" banned.
Maybe someone at Anet should take a look at Ebay and the thousands of GW gold lots, or actually start banning bots instead of encouraging them or nerfing fair farmers out of thier areas. Perhaps even have a look at one of the many cheat sites that supply the bots - but then you wouldnt be able to claim you are cheat free....

The more i read on these forums the gladder i am i never bought factions, what a waste of money.