LFG for mission, no assassins!

If you have played City of Heroes, Assassins = Scrappers, only in GW Assassins don't get Instant Healing to make them tank like.

Assassins are not designed to be frontline fighters, that role still belongs to warriors. They are not alpha strikers either, that role still belongs to rangers.

The best role for the assassins is protector of the back line. In PvE when you attack a mob, the mob usually responds by sending the warriors in to attack your groups squishies (epecially the monks). It should be the role of the assassin(s) on the team to get those warriors down first.

It doesn't help that the Assassin Henchies seem to be programmed to play the same as warriors, which is why they seem to die the most (and why I stopped taking the assassin henchies).

Well, this seems like a good spot for my first post

I've been in Tyria for quite some time, I've beaten everything besides Titan quests with three characters (gonna start those soon). When Factions came out I quickly made an assassin, and regretted it as soon as I reached the mainland. I was stuck henching for most of the quests, and that depressed me even more. The AI is horrible, at least for an Assassin, but I found myself getting by. Anyway, I now do alliance battles as well as PvE, and have figured out the ins and outs of this screwed up character.

Choose targets carefully: I'll let the tanks start the engagement, look for the one thats gonna bother us, sharpen daggers, and take them out. Then I target my monk, use return, and regen for the next snipe.

I am not a tank: This is simple, I dont take hits very well. I hate getting targeted, be it PvP or PvE, and will abort as soon as I am. I hate wanna-be's that try to tank with assassins, you give us bad reps. Shame on you.

I've switched my 2ndary to Monk, for the simple reason that I need to heal myself most of the time, why is this? Cant we get a Vigorous Spirit on occasion? It would go a long way with our attack rate. I also don't like the discrimination against azz, though I see where it comes from.

IWAY: I can't even count how many Bambi Assassins are running around Cantha. These "assassins" are the ones that try to tank, thinking they're back in PvP. If I'm wrong, go ahead and correct me, but thats how I see it. Nevertheless, I really feel like a tank stuck in monks armor...I deal tons of damage, but I am a soft target, with little defense that needs to avoid getting singled out. What bothers me is how easily I go down, even following these rules. Dwanya forbid I get heavy-hexed, I can get out of the fight, but I drop dead shortly thereafter.

If all goes well, I run this build pretty well I think. But it doesn't take much to ruin us, and that I get really sick of sometimes. Im off to buy more ale now.

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My biggest beef is as said.. I'll be standing in town forming an alliance mission group.. and ask in local chat for a Tank, i get 40 assassins that want to join group.. and i actually had one flame me in local chat because i wouldn't take him into the group. First off i told him in whisper that he's not a tank, a A/Rt is not the same as a W/X... then the person starts laying into me on public channel.. calling me a noob and what not, I've never had problems before with people but ever since Factions was released, it seems that this is what's in every town, and it's always people playing assassins that start that crap. I'm not flaming anyone or anything I've played with several good assassins, but most run in way too deep don't do any damage and die.. the curse out the monks for not healing them, and that makes me sick. People that know me, know that I get along with everyone, but when a monk says don't go so deep i can't heal you and they insist on going further into aggro and then flame the monk for not being able to keep them alive that's just pathetic. And it seems that for the most part those are the players that they die once and rage quit. /end rant.

ill keep this short because everyone seems to be writing an essay... assasins are NOT tanks.. they are tactical close range offense... they are WEAK in defense when compared to a warrior.... they WILL NEVER replace tanks. They do damage but if you are playing in dmg heavy area and need tanks i suggest u drop the assassin get a warrior or atleast a minion master

Simple most assassins= the same whammos who did the same exact thing in tyria(overextend then whine the monks didnt heal them and rage quit) and that was why they all got stuck bragging about their troll and ettins soloing abilities while the rest of us went on to do spider caves(fow) mursaat and other soloable more rewarding enemies.

My advice before joining an assassin ask him how he handles combat; if he says kite in hit a caster then get out you have a good player, if he says "I can do lots of damage I know what I am doing" you have an idiot who is gonna rush dont take him.

Aggreed, most Assasin play wrong, i have an assasin and let the warrior tank, then get myself warped to the back of the enemy group to take out monks/mesmers, spell casters in general and thats of how the assasin whas mend to be in the first place imo.

ow and on an second note, what the hell is an wammo? and since when does mending help when you get ur ass kicked when serving as an tank?


Farmer.

Unfortunately I have to agree on too many assassins being in the game for starters. I really regret making an assassin now that I cannot find groups that will trust assassins not to ruin the mission. So i'm making a necro/ritualist, going good so far, level 14. I like the new looks and armor for necros. I hope that I can find some groups when I get to the harder missions.

As for my assassin, i'll try to pass the missions I guess, but the henchies don't do to well sometimes.

I think that what the problem here is is that many of these super-below-acceptable-playing-level Assassins are completely new to the game. They probably have no idea what "kiting" is, and probably would have a hard time understanding it if you explained it to them. Granted, I believe that a lot of them are just wannabe Narutos and only have the class for thier own needs and the rest of the party be damned, but I've seen a few out there that are putting forth an honest effort, and they don't complain when they get owned for the ninth time in a row. This game is a lot harder than Prophecies is, and they've got one heck of a steep learning curve to climb before they can even begin to not suck.

I say, let them into your party, but be prepared to try and help them figure out what their class is about. Because, having a heavy damage dealer pick off the badies quickly is a very handy thing to have.

i hardly use deaths charge tbh. 1 because of its energy cost and 2 because it often puts me in a place where i then take lots of agro. the only ss skill i have equipped is vipers defence.

i agree with assassins not being tanks and its really annoying to find noone wants you in their group cause they think youre just going to die alot. probably the reason why i went on with the tyria missions first, they like assassins there

ive been playing this class for a while now and i really like it as its a really nice class for doing a ton of damage real fast. on tyria ive been using it alot to qf with and most, if not all, of the time i kill stuff almost twice as fast as the warrior does. i just stay back a little and let the warrior take aggro, anything that heads towards the casters on my team is mine. its nice to see people compliment you cause you saved their monk.

imo assassins are awesome 1v1 pve'ers. not sure how they do in pvp as i havent tried that yet with it.

I love assasins rushing in... As a monk I can wand them down... finally an opponent I can defeat... with a pure healing build

Most relief i've had as a healer in a group with an assassin in was to find recall virtually perminantly on me, second the assassin took damage, he cancelled it and wanded next to me til he'd healed up

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Lv. 19 A/R in Arborstone group with a lv. 5 White Tiger.

"Why does my pet keep dying?"

He was also an unbelieveable energy sponge for me.

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Yeah, there are a lot of entertaining assassins out there just now since its the latest fad (well, it is entertaining to watch them die, and die, and die .... lol).

I just wish people would be a bit more creative with this. Not every assassin needs to have a shadow step build and for that matter, not all of them need daggers for weapons. From what I hear, there are even some ranged builds out there that work quite well for this class.

But aside from that, if they do plan to shadow step, they need to learn better which targets are and which arent, important for them to 'assassinate' and that sometimes they might have to pull out before the target dies (I know, wild concept there lol).

my first run through the game was with a new assassin and i had no real problems,let tank take agro run in combo and kite(didn't want to risk my warps because i presumed it would be very buggy like most of factions).finished her in a day and half,with breaks.

i also use a wammo and i use it very well(imo and many others i have met on my travels through tyria and cantha).currently upto battle in the sewers in a few hours including pure ownage in vizunah with only tyrian team,lost the canthans (2 real rest hench) on the second group.one of them even left instead of watching because he,like us,thought it immpossible*.

the main problem is people stereotyping because of to many team ups with noob players.the warriors got it big time just as the assassins are getting it now.monks had it because of leaver monks and silly use of 55 builds and those monks who started demanding free rides in fow/uw aswell as the uw scammers.mesmers still get it because of so many people not realising how useful and powerful they are.

shame for those of use with good assassins but there are many kids with there idea of "yo check my uber ninja,uh! why am i dead?".and as for the overpopulation there were only 2 new profs this time round so that was a given before release.

for a while there i was running A/R with barrage, zealous bow, critical eye, sharpen daggers.

brought along a pet with disrupting lunge.

basically just sit at the back of the group, lobbing off fairly decent damage (lots of crits), and having plenty of energy to spam the crap out of disrupting lunge on whatever caster is scariest.

i chose to do that mainly coz there were some areas where getting into melee range was suicide.

however ive since acquired aura of displacement {e}.

and that is pure pwnage, pick an enemy, aura ss to it, kill it, double click the icon and bam! youre back where you started, do a shadow refuge to heal up and repeat.

its soooo nightcrawler i swear.

the trick to assasins is SHADOWSTEPPING this is the sole reason an assasin is useful without this ability they are just rangers that try to go melee

My A/W doesn't heavily rely on shadowsteping. I'm currently only using Viper's Defense for steping. Mostly I rely on Defensive Stance and Critical Defense (Critical strikes at 15). I usually throw on Way of Perfection before I go into the Defensive stance to gain health while i can't use skills. As long as I don't go too deep I'm fine (That being true for pretty much every PvE build). Though I do usually fend off the casters from other melee builds. I did the Temple mission today and only died once (because I got spiked by four afflicted ele's simultaneously).

Defensive Stance and Critical Defense give me a guarenteed 19 seconds of cover (though I can easily get 6-18 seconds more out of Critical Defense, provided at least 3 opponents and I'm not blinded or worse stripped). So thats 24-36 seconds of 75% to block protection easy (which is enough to survive till the recharge on Defensive stance). If I am stripped (or blinded) i'll immediately switch to vipers (or recall) and back off untill I can protect myself again).

I'm not too sure how this will hold up in the later mission, but it's fine for now. I just avoid Rangers who like to Throw Dirt, untill I have to deal with them. Not exactly sure how you would rate this build on "tankiness".

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let tank get aggro....wait..

wait some more..

find the healer or biggest spellcastor threat...

Pop over....kill it

pop back by your ranger buddy on the back line....

Have a smoke and a pancake ...

let the ranger tell you who to kill next..

Pop over ...kill it...

Pop back to your ranger buddy....

The two of you can talk about sports and stuff....

Have a pipe and a crepe....

Go kill the next bad castor that the tank can't get to....

Pop back to ranger pal, complian about how your girlfreinds whine about you playing too much guild wars....

Have a omlate and a cigar....

Enemy group is dead.....Assassin is still alive

gg

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