"Protector of Cantha" for Canthans only?

Fantus

Fantus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

To get the "Protector of Cantha" title, you'd have to do all 13 missions. So far, so good. Only that it doesn't seem to be possible to enter the 2 missions on Shing Jea Island with Tyrian characters, meaning that they never will be able to get the title "Protector of Cantha" and probably not "Cantan Master Cartographer" either.

I hereby suggest to change it so that Tryian characters have access to all titles, including Canthan ones.

Tarun

Tarun

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Join Date: Jan 2006

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Agreed, it adds more challenge to the game to get all the titles. What's wrong with a Tyrian char getting Cantha safe too?

/signed

Evilsod

Evilsod

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Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Its the same when you look at it vice versa. Canthan characters can't do missions before LA (Gates of Kryta and previous), meaning you'll miss out on about 10% exploration at least and a fair few missions.

Fantus

Fantus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
Its the same when you look at it vice versa. Canthan characters can't do missions before LA (Gates of Kryta and previous), meaning you'll miss out on about 10% exploration at least and a fair few missions.
I haven't tried - but what stops you from running back from LA and do them?

Evilsod

Evilsod

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England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantus
I haven't tried - but what stops you from running back from LA and do them?
Nothing.... you just can't do anything when you get there.

Lepton CFd

Lepton CFd

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Join Date: May 2006

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/signed

I'm not sure why ANet implemented this. I guess maybe they don't want lvl 20s doing the easier missions on either continent? I don't really see the problem with that...

Players should have the ability to get any title they strive for, in my opinion.

JC68

JC68

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Join Date: May 2006

Slovakia

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actually, i think there are 15 missions in game (maybe i count them wrong)
11 + 2 story missions for kurzicks + 2 story missions for luxons
so Tyrian char is able to finish:
9 (11-2 "pre-searing" missions) + 2 kurzicks + 2 luxons = 13

Fantus

Fantus

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by JC68
actually, i think there are 15 missions in game (maybe i count them wrong)
11 + 2 story missions for kurzicks + 2 story missions for luxons
so Tyrian char is able to finish:
9 (11-2 "pre-searing" missions) + 2 kurzicks + 2 luxons = 13
If you finish Minister Estate with a Canthan character it counts this mission towards the title. So I guess you need to finish it to get the title.

JC68

JC68

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Slovakia

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maybe, but i was wrong, there are only 14 missions :/
so Tyrian chars are able to complete 12 missions

Arkantos

Arkantos

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Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

It wouldn't make sence. Tyrian chars come in the storyline when they have an idea who's behind the plague. Them doing the missions in SHing Jea wouldn't make sence. Same with Canthans in Tyria, they come in the storyline when the ascalon people make it to kryta, and Rurik is dead. Doing other missions like Frost gate rurik is in it, but he's supposed to be dead.

/Notsigned

samifly

samifly

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And people time traveling back to ascalon (to complete a bonus, whatever) does make sense?

Arkantos

Arkantos

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Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by samifly
And people time traveling back to ascalon (to complete a bonus, whatever) does make sense?
No, it doesnt.

samifly

samifly

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Girl Power [GP]

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still can do it, as a tyrian at least

Fantus

Fantus

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloody Death
It wouldn't make sence. Tyrian chars come in the storyline when they have an idea who's behind the plague. Them doing the missions in SHing Jea wouldn't make sence. Same with Canthans in Tyria, they come in the storyline when the ascalon people make it to kryta, and Rurik is dead. Doing other missions like Frost gate rurik is in it, but he's supposed to be dead.

/Notsigned
The obvious solution would be not to count the 2 Shing Jea missions towards the title...

rollntider

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Join Date: Sep 2005

anarchy

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make both peoples able to play 100% of the missions

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

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Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantus
The obvious solution would be not to count the 2 Shing Jea missions towards the title...
I think if a Tyrian wants to be a protector of Cantha, the concept of the title should be changed. I think that, where you are born, you are going to be protector of your home someday. Protecting someone elses homeland doesn't cut it for me - to warrant outsiders for the same title. Perhaps if the title was renamed, and (agrees with quote) outsiders didnt have to do the preliminary missions to achieve the title, that would be great.

If im confusing everyone, im suggesting the title be changed for outsiders who are achieving the same goal as the homelander.

But /signed otherwise^^

Symeon

Symeon

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Just a note, I believe it is possible to get 'Canthan Master Cartographer' with a Tyrian, as both missions on Shing Jea are accessible as normal areas from the outposts you enter afterwards (i.e. Ran Musu Gardens and Seitung Harbour).

As for getting Protector of Cantha with Tyrians and Protector of Tyria with Canthans, I think ANet did not lock these earlier missions from those of the other continent with the sole purpose of not allowing us to do them and get the title, but more that we should not experience that earlier storyline - Tyrians are supposed to arrive in Cantha with Mhenlo at the same time the Canthans leave Shing Jea Island, and Canthans arrive in Tyria at the time of the Undead troubles.

The part of the Canthans going to Tyria and doing the Krytan missions confuses me time-wise, though... surely, the Tyrian characters who have completed the game, or at least ascended, go to Cantha after doing so... if Canthans come to Tyria at the same time and go through the storyline that the Tyrians have already been through on the time-scale - eh?...

Chuba

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Finland

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Quote:
Originally Posted by King Symeon
Just a note, I believe it is possible to get 'Canthan Master Cartographer' with a Tyrian, as both missions on Shing Jea are accessible as normal areas from the outposts you enter afterwards (i.e. Ran Musu Gardens and Seitung Harbour).
But Ran Musu gardens won´t be open to ANY characters, not even to Canthan born, until they finish the Minister Cho´s Estate -mission. The gate is closed.

samifly

samifly

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ehh.. I dont think you have to be a native to qualify to be a protector. There are plenty of situations i can see where someone who is not native is a "protector"

Fantus

Fantus

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by samifly
ehh.. I dont think you have to be a native to qualify to be a protector. There are plenty of situations i can see where someone who is not native is a "protector"
If I remember correctly, saving Cantha is the reason why we Tyrians even got summoned over there. So we can as well get recognition for it...

kias

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Join Date: Nov 2005

Portugal

Tribal Clan

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What about this: after a tyrian born char finishes the last mission in Cantha, everyone is happy and he is welcome in ALL towns and outposts across the country. So after doing the game you could do the starting missions but only with henches or other tyrians (and would get lvl2X foes around).
The same would happen to Canthans in Tyria.

/signed

Roupe

Roupe

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Well, I have good news to those of you that missed reading it, they seem to be working on it

source:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3036010

demon dantes

demon dantes

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ny

Iyanden Wraithguard

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a tyrian character should not have access to presear cantha so what should happen is less missions for a tyrian char to get the title. anyways a canthan char should not be able to access anything b4 factions this was the stupidest thing i have ever seen. when you get to tyrian accention what is a canthan char supposed to do then fight his mirror looool. they should stop canthan based char from being able to go to tyria.

Kaguya

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Join Date: Jan 2006

Moon

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Quote:
Originally Posted by demon dantes
a tyrian character should not have access to presear cantha so what should happen is less missions for a tyrian char to get the title. anyways a canthan char should not be able to access anything b4 factions this was the stupidest thing i have ever seen. when you get to tyrian accention what is a canthan char supposed to do then fight his mirror looool. they should stop canthan based char from being able to go to tyria.
Oh wow, this must be the most brilliant idea ever

ANet seamed the Canthan char to Tyria storywise okay, they promised you will get 100% content on both Tyrian and Canthan charas. What would be even the point of merging your account with Ch1 and Ch2 if you can't travel back and forth the two areas...

Whiplashr

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

I really don't like the way these two games have come together. I can apprecaite the difficulties in making two stand alone games that have to merge together somehow. But I have to say I hope they do a better job (and think it out more clearly) with Chapter 3.

Rhunex

Rhunex

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Dark Nightmare

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Agreed, it was poorly executed this time, but, it's a trial and error thing, and they have said they wanted to fix the error this time, so I'm thinking with Chapter 3 It'll be no problem.

From the storyline perspective, yes, a Canthan shouldn't be able to go back into shiverpeaks/ascalon and do missions, and Tyrians shouldn't be able to be students on Shing Jea. From a completionists point of view, just the thought of blocked content, in any form(not the elite mission, it's not blocked, just "elite" ) it blasphemy in its purest form and induces severe stress and anxiety in said completionist...