I have done Both sides to farm Faction Kurtz and Luxons.
It is sooooo much easier to farm faction at Altrum Ruins then it is in the
Luxons Zos shivos.
At Altrum Ruins,I killed 30 monsters. With my 55 and henches and got 176 faction and gold. Didn't have to defend anyone. Was never rushed but HUGE waves of creatures. Tons of people Spamming "X LF FF group" I was a monk for a few of these missions to see how it was....Wow didn't have to defend ANYONE...all I had to do was kill a small group move to the next small group. Then after that just portal hop and do it again. Got any EASY 715 faction. Which is about the same as winning 12 on 12 and almost quicker sometimes.
At Luxons Zos Shivos I had a team of 6/w henchies & people and killed 20 or something like that and got 17 faction and 6 gold.. Had to defend a stupid priest who wants to die and prove it by dancing at the begining of the mission.
Then stand on this lil mound cause he won't move even when attacked. Where we are overwhelmed by armies of creatures all blasting the same area. Attacking from both sides of this lil mound with archers/spirits and melee.
Sure some of you say why not do 12 on 12..Because your not always going to win because of people quitting..Farming faction in Altrum Ruins is quicker and gaurenteed most times.
Faction Farming Imbalance
Parn
fiery
I think your math is wrong?
30= 176 faction
20= 17 faction
Unless Luxon are really crappy on giving out faction.
As for 12 vs 12 the people you kill and in the end win or lose you still get more faction.
30= 176 faction
20= 17 faction
Unless Luxon are really crappy on giving out faction.
As for 12 vs 12 the people you kill and in the end win or lose you still get more faction.
Rathcail
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Originally Posted by fiery
Unless Luxon are really crappy on giving out faction.
That was the point.
kovey00
If you really want to faction farm, why don't you just do the repeatable PVE faction quests that give you 400 faction a pop? It only takes about 10 minutes with henchies if that for one run, and they are simple. I usually just do the jade arena quest where you have to kill the luxon criminals. Not sure which one is repeatable on the kurzick side, but I know there are a couple on the luxon side. Alot easier and tons faster than doing pvp competitive missions for a lousy 17 faction for 20 minutes work or more.
Senator Tom
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Originally Posted by fiery
I think your math is wrong?
30= 176 faction
20= 17 faction
Unless Luxon are really crappy on giving out faction.
As for 12 vs 12 the people you kill and in the end win or lose you still get more faction. 30-20=10
17*10=170 woooo
30= 176 faction
20= 17 faction
Unless Luxon are really crappy on giving out faction.
As for 12 vs 12 the people you kill and in the end win or lose you still get more faction. 30-20=10
17*10=170 woooo
SnipiousMax
Aren't the repeatable quests faster than these missions for farming faction?
ginnstudios
The amount of faction you earn at Altrumm Ruins seems to increase exponentially in relation to your score. Haven't quite worked out the exact mathematics to it...
Score 30pts and earn ~150 faction
Score 90pts and earn ~700faction
I've heard reports from a few of the other guild leaders in my alliance who said they had a run:
Score 208pts and earned ~7k faction
I can't personally confirm the 7k faction...but the 700+ is very true. I earned 2k faction with PUGs in about 1hr and a half in Altrumm this morning...
Definitely generates faction faster then any other means I've seen so far.
Dreaded Nightshade
Score 30pts and earn ~150 faction
Score 90pts and earn ~700faction
I've heard reports from a few of the other guild leaders in my alliance who said they had a run:
Score 208pts and earned ~7k faction
I can't personally confirm the 7k faction...but the 700+ is very true. I earned 2k faction with PUGs in about 1hr and a half in Altrumm this morning...
Definitely generates faction faster then any other means I've seen so far.
Dreaded Nightshade
GranDeWun
Fast farming: Luxons have supply run quest, Kurzicks have duelists quest. Both take a few minutes per run, and give 400 faction. Luxon is arguably faster, and can be done by more classes.
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by ginnstudios
The amount of faction you earn at Altrumm Ruins seems to increase exponentially in relation to your score. Haven't quite worked out the exact mathematics to it...
Score 30pts and earn ~150 faction
Score 90pts and earn ~700faction I think it depends on the Refined Amber that you get, as I got a score over 100 with the henchmen and got under 700.
Score 30pts and earn ~150 faction
Score 90pts and earn ~700faction I think it depends on the Refined Amber that you get, as I got a score over 100 with the henchmen and got under 700.
heaven
I agree that Zos Shivos Channel gives rediculous low amount of faction compared with other challenges on both sides. The reason may be because of the holding records. If you take a look at the record, the first and second positions are SOLO 1 man team 
. Actually, most of the top 10 are either solo or less than 3 man.
The top one has too high score (more than 3000) so that is why everyone get so low points because your points is relative to the top one. I don't know how they did it SOLO but it seems impossible to do with 55. When I saw solo, I think about 55 immediately. However, 55s don't have a chance because they strip enchantment and necro vampiric skills kill 55s in no time. Any one have a clue how to solo that challenge?
. Actually, most of the top 10 are either solo or less than 3 man.The top one has too high score (more than 3000) so that is why everyone get so low points because your points is relative to the top one. I don't know how they did it SOLO but it seems impossible to do with 55. When I saw solo, I think about 55 immediately. However, 55s don't have a chance because they strip enchantment and necro vampiric skills kill 55s in no time. Any one have a clue how to solo that challenge?
Shifty Five Monk
Challenge missions and alliance battles are not the only way to farm faction... believe me. I know ways to get 10k an hour easy and maybe thats why we have cavalon... Anyway jsut do some exploring and you will figure it out.
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by heaven
I agree that Zos Shivos Channel gives rediculous low amount of faction compared with other challenges on both sides. The reason may be because of the holding records. If you take a look at the record, the first and second positions are SOLO 1 man team . Actually, most of the top 10 are either solo or less than 3 man.
The top one has too high score (more than 3000) so that is why everyone get so low points because your points is relative to the top one. I don't know how they did it SOLO but it seems impossible to do with 55. When I saw solo, I think about 55 immediately. However, 55s don't have a chance because they strip enchantment and necro vampiric skills kill 55s in no time. Any one have a clue how to solo that challenge? There was a post in screenshots about a pathing exploit that allowed for very high scores. Can't remember if it's the same challenge, but it was Luxon, all I can remember.
. Actually, most of the top 10 are either solo or less than 3 man.The top one has too high score (more than 3000) so that is why everyone get so low points because your points is relative to the top one. I don't know how they did it SOLO but it seems impossible to do with 55. When I saw solo, I think about 55 immediately. However, 55s don't have a chance because they strip enchantment and necro vampiric skills kill 55s in no time. Any one have a clue how to solo that challenge? There was a post in screenshots about a pathing exploit that allowed for very high scores. Can't remember if it's the same challenge, but it was Luxon, all I can remember.
Shifty Five Monk
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Originally Posted by GranDeWun
Fast farming: Luxons have supply run quest, Kurzicks have duelists quest. Both take a few minutes per run, and give 400 faction. Luxon is arguably faster, and can be done by more classes.
Listen to this guy. Get a ranger secondary and bam, easy run
Haggard
Are you saying you can run through mobs of Oni's, Luxon mind freezers, Warden trappers, Dredge trappers all at once as a N/R?
heaven
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
There was a post in screenshots about a pathing exploit that allowed for very high scores. Can't remember if it's the same challenge, but it was Luxon, all I can remember.
You are right Racthoh. It is here http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3027021.
It is a bug in Aurios Mine challenge. However, monster mobs in Zos Shivos Channel challenge do not stuck at any point. They came after us wave after wave after wave. May be the top guy expoited a similar bug early when Faction was first came out. If Anet does not reset the scores soon, everyone will continue to get very low faction reward due to these ridiculous high scores like that.
It is a bug in Aurios Mine challenge. However, monster mobs in Zos Shivos Channel challenge do not stuck at any point. They came after us wave after wave after wave. May be the top guy expoited a similar bug early when Faction was first came out. If Anet does not reset the scores soon, everyone will continue to get very low faction reward due to these ridiculous high scores like that.
heaven
By the way, do the top scores stay there forever or they reset scores from time to time?
Rhuobhe
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Originally Posted by GranDeWun
Fast farming: Luxons have supply run quest, Kurzicks have duelists quest. Both take a few minutes per run, and give 400 faction. Luxon is arguably faster, and can be done by more classes.
Luxon is unquestionably faster if you are a Warrior primary.
The run takes less than 3 minutes and yeilds 400 faction every time. There is no reliance on other real people or on henchmen like in the duelist quest.
In addition you can open multiple chests along the way. Luxons have it better than Kurzicks in that regard.
The run takes less than 3 minutes and yeilds 400 faction every time. There is no reliance on other real people or on henchmen like in the duelist quest.
In addition you can open multiple chests along the way. Luxons have it better than Kurzicks in that regard.
Racthoh
Ah, thanks Heaven. Knew it was there somewhere. 
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Originally Posted by Rhuobhe
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Luxon is unquestionably faster if you are a Warrior primary.
The run takes less than 3 minutes and yeilds 400 faction every time. There is no reliance on other real people or on henchmen like in the duelist quest.
In addition you can open multiple chests along the way. Luxons have it better than Kurzicks in that regard. I've found the Kurzick quest to be similar in time, and multiple chests on occasion with the path I've used, solo or otherwise.
The run takes less than 3 minutes and yeilds 400 faction every time. There is no reliance on other real people or on henchmen like in the duelist quest.
In addition you can open multiple chests along the way. Luxons have it better than Kurzicks in that regard. I've found the Kurzick quest to be similar in time, and multiple chests on occasion with the path I've used, solo or otherwise.
Rhuobhe
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
Ah, thanks Heaven. Knew it was there somewhere.
I've found the Kurzick quest to be similar in time, and multiple chests on occasion with the path I've used, solo or otherwise. Soloing the duel? :P
I've found the Kurzick quest to be similar in time, and multiple chests on occasion with the path I've used, solo or otherwise. Soloing the duel? :P
Racthoh
If solo, I change one skill to Sprint.
sh4ft3d
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
If solo, I change one skill to Sprint.
Hehe. Racthoh always uses the same build 
but it works really well, doesn't it?
but it works really well, doesn't it?
Huntmaster
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Originally Posted by Rhuobhe
The run takes less than 3 minutes
Exactly 2:00 on average.
SnipiousMax
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Originally Posted by Huntmaster
Exactly 2:00 on average.
Yup. 400 faction = 2:00 of your time. Much faster than those missions. You can easily get 10k in an hour.
Rhuobhe
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
If solo, I change one skill to Sprint.
But doesn't that take a lot longer than bringing hench/real people?
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by Rhuobhe
But doesn't that take a lot longer than bringing hench/real people?
I'm refering to just running the supplies (I know, me... running? ).
).
kicks66
yet now with the duel of the houses stopped beign so easy, i can see no way for kurzicks to gain faction anywhere near as quick as luxon supply lines
Rhuobhe
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
I'm refering to just running the supplies (I know, me... running? ).
Oh ok thought you were talking about soloing the duel of the houses
).
Oh ok
Shifty Five Monk
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Originally Posted by Haggard
Are you saying you can run through mobs of Oni's, Luxon mind freezers, Warden trappers, Dredge trappers all at once as a N/R?
I do it with Mo/R, and the only thing i run into is oni's...
Hockster
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Originally Posted by GranDeWun
Fast farming: Luxons have supply run quest, Kurzicks have duelists quest. Both take a few minutes per run, and give 400 faction. Luxon is arguably faster, and can be done by more classes.
The Kurziks have a supply quest that can be run as well. Takes about 90 seconds with my ranger.
fb2000
the competitive mission rewards drop as the records for them increase (and as anet buckle up).
and why do you think cavalon is controlled for 7mil, and HzH for 3.3 as of today?
as far as my experience goes, the supplies quest on kurzick side is a bit harder (only compare to what people say, not do the luxon one), and slower (takes me about 3:30-4:00mins usually). i dont know how Hockster does it that quick oO
i wouldnt mind if they did nerf them up a bit, then wed be forced to do alliance battles, and those are PHUN!!
and why do you think cavalon is controlled for 7mil, and HzH for 3.3 as of today?
as far as my experience goes, the supplies quest on kurzick side is a bit harder (only compare to what people say, not do the luxon one), and slower (takes me about 3:30-4:00mins usually). i dont know how Hockster does it that quick oO
i wouldnt mind if they did nerf them up a bit, then wed be forced to do alliance battles, and those are PHUN!!
Mosch
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Originally Posted by kicks66
yet now with the duel of the houses stopped beign so easy, i can see no way for kurzicks to gain faction anywhere near as quick as luxon supply lines
Less than 1:30 as a Ritualist/Ranger with pretty much no risk at all (last time I took was 1:04). 5 runs are 2000 Faction and will take less than 7:30, getting you 4000 Faction every 15 minutes.
About half an hour to completely fill your Faction and you also get 25*150=3750 gold and 25*2000=50000 experience.
About half an hour to completely fill your Faction and you also get 25*150=3750 gold and 25*2000=50000 experience.
Angel Develin
IMO the duelists quest is much faster if you use 3 trapper 1 necro (Br), you just trap before everything get started and when they want to attack they all die, bring storm chaser that works.
IMO much faster then luxon quest.
IMO much faster then luxon quest.
victo bei
where do u get supply quest?
bellissima
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Originally Posted by Haggard
Are you saying you can run through mobs of Oni's, Luxon mind freezers, Warden trappers, Dredge trappers all at once as a N/R?
I think they were referring to the supply quest on the Luxon side. This one is certainly very easy to run as any class with a ranger secondary without even stopping to heal.
I haven't tried running the supply quest on the Kurzick side.
I haven't tried running the supply quest on the Kurzick side.
SnipiousMax
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Originally Posted by Angel Develin
IMO the duelists quest is much faster if you use 3 trapper 1 necro (Br), you just trap before everything get started and when they want to attack they all die, bring storm chaser that works.
IMO much faster then luxon quest. If it spawns right you can almost trap it solo. Just got to make sure to lay down a spike trap last instead of Dust or flame trap so the AoE scatter doesn't trigger before the rest of your traps spring. If they all bunch up, you only have to worry about the last guy.
IMO much faster then luxon quest. If it spawns right you can almost trap it solo. Just got to make sure to lay down a spike trap last instead of Dust or flame trap so the AoE scatter doesn't trigger before the rest of your traps spring. If they all bunch up, you only have to worry about the last guy.
OrangeArrow
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Originally Posted by Mosch
Less than 1:30 as a Ritualist/Ranger with pretty much no risk at all (last time I took was 1:04). 5 runs are 2000 Faction and will take less than 7:30, getting you 4000 Faction every 15 minutes.
About half an hour to completely fill your Faction and you also get 25*150=3750 gold and 25*2000=50000 experience. If your talking about the Kurzick duel quest Your times are slightly off it takes the duel master slightly less than 2 minutes (1:50) to get into position and finish talking before you can even start to fight.
With Henchies I can eoe frozen soil the Duelists to death in slighlty under 2 minutes if everything goes right but on avg my kurzick duel takes slightly over 3 minutes. (Drop EoE, Frozen, Kill Monk, Putrid and EoE drops everyone but the noble)
hmm I wonder what would happen if someone ran a EoE necro Sac Bomb before the duel master could start the duel.
About half an hour to completely fill your Faction and you also get 25*150=3750 gold and 25*2000=50000 experience. If your talking about the Kurzick duel quest Your times are slightly off it takes the duel master slightly less than 2 minutes (1:50) to get into position and finish talking before you can even start to fight.
With Henchies I can eoe frozen soil the Duelists to death in slighlty under 2 minutes if everything goes right but on avg my kurzick duel takes slightly over 3 minutes. (Drop EoE, Frozen, Kill Monk, Putrid and EoE drops everyone but the noble)
hmm I wonder what would happen if someone ran a EoE necro Sac Bomb before the duel master could start the duel.
liner
now that they are cluttered up nicely since the update too, any luck with trapping this?
Havnt brought my own ranger up that far to try this one out, .. anyone?
Havnt brought my own ranger up that far to try this one out, .. anyone?
Mosch
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Originally Posted by OrangeArrow
If your talking about the Kurzick duel quest Your times are slightly off it takes the duel master slightly less than 2 minutes (1:50) to get into position and finish talking before you can even start to fight.
I have to admit I was kinda wondering about the difference in time posted here and what my watch said. Therefore I conclude my watch is broken. Which sucks.
liner, that's basically what I do. Get there, lay down traps. Have Eve BR you when your energy gets low (I do it with a ritualist/ranger). When the duel master tells you to bow before your enemy, I put down destruction. Keep on setting traps, if you have some seconds to spare, put down pain.
As soon as the battle starts, rupture the destruction's soul, cast spirit rift, rupture the pain spirit.
Everything dead in one giant AOE explosion.
liner, that's basically what I do. Get there, lay down traps. Have Eve BR you when your energy gets low (I do it with a ritualist/ranger). When the duel master tells you to bow before your enemy, I put down destruction. Keep on setting traps, if you have some seconds to spare, put down pain.
As soon as the battle starts, rupture the destruction's soul, cast spirit rift, rupture the pain spirit.
Everything dead in one giant AOE explosion.
liner
Ahh, will try that profession combo :]