Skill Trainer in Guild Hall
Caine
Hi, this is my first post her so please bear with me. We recently purchased a skill trainer for our Guild Hall and I must say I am very disappointed. For the prioce you pay the skills offered are supposedly core only but you are able to go to ascalon city for any skill unlocked for your account. According to ANET, this was done on purpose and they suggested I post on these forums to get some input. Who else thinks the skill trainer should function like any other trainer???? Its not like i expected and ember light trainer or anything but with the addition of new char slots, you would htink the trainer in the guild hall would at least function as a normal trainer. What do you think?
Farin
Should've read the description. Allowing a trainer with say all the normal skills would lead to exploits (as if there were none). Anyways, I don't really see a point in a skill trainer for the Guild Hall. Were they willing to change it they could have the trainer teach you the same skills that the lastest trainer you met was able to teach you.
linh
Because in a guild, there are people with both chapters, someone with Prophecies only, and someone with Factions only, so the skill trainer will have only core skills.
Deacon Roswell
I feel sorry for anyone that spends the 100k for a skills trainer in their guild hall. It's the biggest waste of money. They should have defined "core" a little better. To me, core skills are not skills that were obtained in prophecies, but yet a bare minimum of skills that each profession should obtain for a base build.
This skills trainer has ZERO skills for a ritualist or assassin. How is this worth 100K? How is it worth more than the 10k it cost for a weaponsmith?
I know many of you think it's stupid to have these in the guild hall but it makes it way easier than going to Kaening Center and running all over to first find them, then get to them. It's nice to have storage ANYWHERE NEAR the merchants, unlike any city where they are on opposite sides.
New characters now have access to the guild hall right after creation so to stop them from running to the guild hall and buying all the skills, they can simply mark them locked/unlocked by how far you are in the game. If you're at a city that has a skills trainer that offers that skill, then you could get it in the hall.
All in all, if they were going to give you the option of putting a skills trainer in the guild hall, it should not cost 100k for the few skills you can "buy" for each profession. i was appalled to see the skills myself. They should define what you get so people really understand what they are buying. Fair is Fair.
This skills trainer has ZERO skills for a ritualist or assassin. How is this worth 100K? How is it worth more than the 10k it cost for a weaponsmith?
I know many of you think it's stupid to have these in the guild hall but it makes it way easier than going to Kaening Center and running all over to first find them, then get to them. It's nice to have storage ANYWHERE NEAR the merchants, unlike any city where they are on opposite sides.
New characters now have access to the guild hall right after creation so to stop them from running to the guild hall and buying all the skills, they can simply mark them locked/unlocked by how far you are in the game. If you're at a city that has a skills trainer that offers that skill, then you could get it in the hall.
All in all, if they were going to give you the option of putting a skills trainer in the guild hall, it should not cost 100k for the few skills you can "buy" for each profession. i was appalled to see the skills myself. They should define what you get so people really understand what they are buying. Fair is Fair.
Studio Ghibli
Eh.
I find most of the guild vendors useless, for the most part--save for the rune guy and the storage guy.
Even then, though, the rune guy is only useful 'cause I'm lazy.
I find most of the guild vendors useless, for the most part--save for the rune guy and the storage guy.
Even then, though, the rune guy is only useful 'cause I'm lazy.
Viruzzz
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Eh.
I find most of the guild vendors useless, for the most part--save for the rune guy and the storage guy. Even then, though, the rune guy is only useful 'cause I'm lazy. |
now you don't have to split up your party to spend faction
eudas
The OCD guild purchased the Xunlai Agent first, then the Merchant (sometimes you come from PVE and don't want to have to go back to a city to clean out your inventory).
It is disappointing about the skill trainer, though; I wish you could hire Dakk to hang out in the guild hall. I understand why it is that you can't, though.
eudas
It is disappointing about the skill trainer, though; I wish you could hire Dakk to hang out in the guild hall. I understand why it is that you can't, though.
eudas
Sanji
Yeah, the selection is pretty awful and definately not worth 100 Plat.
Mercury Angel
Honestly? I don't get it at all.
The skills you steal using Inspired Hex/Inspired Enchantment/Arcane Thievery, and such are not usable. In the past, I brought Unnatural Signet on a character before Factions was officially released, and I was not able to use it.
Any skills you're not able to use [on your account], it won't let you use.
The point being that barring buying these skills to unlock them in advance, there's really no point to buying skills you don't already have access to. And if you DID do so, it wouldn't really matter whether you bought them now, or later.
But meh. Doesn't really matter to me either way.
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The skills you steal using Inspired Hex/Inspired Enchantment/Arcane Thievery, and such are not usable. In the past, I brought Unnatural Signet on a character before Factions was officially released, and I was not able to use it.
Any skills you're not able to use [on your account], it won't let you use.
The point being that barring buying these skills to unlock them in advance, there's really no point to buying skills you don't already have access to. And if you DID do so, it wouldn't really matter whether you bought them now, or later.
But meh. Doesn't really matter to me either way.
[Edit: Poor Wording]
Deacon Roswell
The point of having ANY trader/merchant/storage agent in the guild hall is "ease of use". After missions we all map to guild hall to clear out inventory then map back to the mission place. No "is there a skills guy here?" or "where's storage in this town?". It's much faster and gets you back to the game quicker.
It's not laziness either. It's just nice to have a merchant/storage agent/materials trader etc. close together instead of being on different sides of the damn city like the monestary or kaening center.
It's not laziness either. It's just nice to have a merchant/storage agent/materials trader etc. close together instead of being on different sides of the damn city like the monestary or kaening center.
gou
add to that a weapon "crafter" who can't craft weapons -> save your money on that one
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Age
You don't even need a preist of Balthazar as it is right on the Islands as well as a rune trader.
Horlem
It would be nice, if the GH skill trainer would offer all skills of your account.
Nothing new for PvP players, but for PvE players.
After starting a new char level up in Cantha, switch to GH to buy the skills of intrest and finish creating your char within one day.
But I am not sure, if all PvE players would like this.
Nothing new for PvP players, but for PvE players.
After starting a new char level up in Cantha, switch to GH to buy the skills of intrest and finish creating your char within one day.
But I am not sure, if all PvE players would like this.
StrongBow
Well, guys one great idea with a risk to be exploited, thats why you see only basic skills. Badly in-game implementation if you ask my opinion...
A good scene to discribe is:
Mr New Char: (loads in the new zone lvl1 char with a quest that rewards 1 skill point)
Mr New Char:Nice quest oOooh 1 skill point? wtf? (click G>Visit Guildhall)
Mr Guild-Mate: need 50g?
Mr New Char: Thank you! One skill unlocked for 50g.
Delete the char, remake, repeat quest, visit guildhall, and there you go. Do the same like many times untill you unlock all the normal skills
Currently, Skill-trainer is just a nice puppet to fill an emply spot in your GH.
GG
A good scene to discribe is:
Mr New Char: (loads in the new zone lvl1 char with a quest that rewards 1 skill point)
Mr New Char:Nice quest oOooh 1 skill point? wtf? (click G>Visit Guildhall)
Mr Guild-Mate: need 50g?
Mr New Char: Thank you! One skill unlocked for 50g.
Delete the char, remake, repeat quest, visit guildhall, and there you go. Do the same like many times untill you unlock all the normal skills
Currently, Skill-trainer is just a nice puppet to fill an emply spot in your GH.
GG
Terra Xin
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Originally Posted by StrongBow
Well, guys one great idea with a risk to be exploited, thats why you see only basic skills. Badly in-game implementation if you ask my opinion...
A good scene to discribe is: Mr New Char: (loads in the new zone lvl1 char with a quest that rewards 1 skill point) Mr New Char:Nice quest oOooh 1 skill point? wtf? (click G>Visit Guildhall) Mr Guild-Mate: need 50g? Mr New Char: Thank you! One skill unlocked for 50g. Delete the char, remake, repeat quest, visit guildhall, and there you go. Do the same like many times untill you unlock all the normal skills Currently, Skill-trainer is just a nice puppet to fill an emply spot in your GH. GG |
StrongBow
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Originally Posted by Terra Xin
lol, actually, first time me and another guildie saw skill trader, the first thing that came to mind was "exploitation". And then as StrongBow pointed out, you need a skill point as well. But yas, this quote stated above pretty much sums up the major reason why Anet only added in core skills. In addition, for full PvP characters, this is the only skills trainer that they have access to. You can get whatever few skills there are in GH for pennies, as your reward for spending 100k in the first place. I think this is mainly to help out new characters get the very basic skills they need to compete, or to play well in PvE.
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Not only that, but the exploit was there even in FPE and they did nothing about it...
Other people have reported; there is a Skill trainer in the lvl1 starting town that enables you to unlock "some" (50? assasins/ritualist) and the reward was some gold xp and a skillpoint.
Many have unlocked all those skills
Guess what the fix was?
Lol
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***Oh and i nealy forgot, Great Beta testing! Content put in hurry a.k.a "Let's just put some gold-sink"
Micromaster
Some of the prices are ok. 10k for storage is reasonable, but 50k for a Dye Trader is a rip off.
Bluefeather
I like the idea of putting all non-elite skills in the GH Skill Trainer similar to Dakk in Ember Light Camp. This should be a priviledge for Guild Members. Having access to some services at early point of the game will attract players to join a guild. Guild officers will have something to offer when they are recruiting for members. This will also reduce players quiting their guilds due to some petty reasons.
I am sure nobody would care if a Lvl 1 Ranger will put some traps on Level 0 monsters. Or a level 1 Monk using Healing Breeze on his party.
Everyone needs to level up to have an effective use of a certain skill. So, put all the skills in GH Skill Trainer. Not everyone will buy skills from trainer unless you're from Cantha. You don't want to pay 1k for any skill other than SoC. Tyrians will still do the skill quests even if there is a Skill Trainer in their respective GH.
I am sure nobody would care if a Lvl 1 Ranger will put some traps on Level 0 monsters. Or a level 1 Monk using Healing Breeze on his party.
Everyone needs to level up to have an effective use of a certain skill. So, put all the skills in GH Skill Trainer. Not everyone will buy skills from trainer unless you're from Cantha. You don't want to pay 1k for any skill other than SoC. Tyrians will still do the skill quests even if there is a Skill Trainer in their respective GH.
Red
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Originally Posted by linhlh
Because in a guild, there are people with both chapters, someone with Prophecies only, and someone with Factions only, so the skill trainer will have only core skills.
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So... why can't we have three skill trainers? One for Core, one for Prophecies, one for Factions--and if you talk to the Factions trainer without the key, then they, like the Kurzick abmassador, give you some random non-useful message. Likewise, players with only Factions would receive a similar message from the Prophecies trainer.
They've proven that they can change functionality for different players depending on keys--the Kurzick Kommandant acts in this manner. So why not additional skill trainers?
SAQ
Well Skill Trainer is probably a waste of money but they are a nice add-on to the atmosphere of the Guild Hall by providing more presence, instead of the once isolated Guild Hall where only the henchmens stands.
Awesome Nuke
IMO, the Skill Trader should be modified. It should either be cheaper or have more skills.
Kyle The Piemaster
All the NPC's in the GH are a waste of gold, they're just time savers and we love them all
Sanji
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All the NPC's in the GH are a waste of gold, they're just time savers and we love them all
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Caine
Again I wasnt asking to have the ember light trainer in the hall just for it to function like every other skill trainer in any city with the exception of ember light. In that, If u have unlocked the skill in pve play on the same account it should be mirrored in the guild hall just like the trainer in ascalon, and how is having the trainer function like any other trainer an exploit? They altered the trainers in the first place i just wanted the damn trainer to function correctly. If u have a noob join your guild on his first char the trainer will only offer the core skills but for existing players it isnt fair to penalize us for the new guys thats hardly overbalancing or exploiting anyone, since the existing account holders can do the same thing in town already>>>
wscICE
Skill trainer = waste of money
me = very dissapointed
Thats another 100k waisted. Anet should make it clear WHAT exactly the NPC's do...
me = very dissapointed
Thats another 100k waisted. Anet should make it clear WHAT exactly the NPC's do...
Witchblade
just buy the xunlai and merchant .. the others are useless 
mqstout
I picked up the Merchant and the Xunlai Agent for my guild. When (read: if) Guild storage ever comes around, we're going to pool our money to get it. Most of the rest wouldn't be very useful to us.
Although, does the weapons customizer come with a nice table with weapons laid out on it? If so, we might get him just for decoration.
Although, does the weapons customizer come with a nice table with weapons laid out on it? If so, we might get him just for decoration.
quickmonty
Let's put this in perspective. We all managed to play the game without the NPCs in the guild hall. It is a convenience and a money sink (and it makes your guild look wealthy to visitors ). If you want them and can afford them ..... great, but you can still play the game without them. 
). If you want them and can afford them ..... great, but you can still play the game without them.
eudas
Does the rune trader at least work normally?
eudas
eudas
Cash
i bought the xunlai, the merchant, and the priest for my guild hall. i just couldnt justify spending money on the others.
as far as the others go, i think they should be active based on each characters development. that is, if my character has accessed dakk, the skill trainer should sell every skill that he does. if the char is only up to lions arch, the trainer would have the same skills as sergio, etc, etc. just a question- but does the skill trainer sell sig caps? if so, thats a plus for me right there- thats usually the reason i head to emberlight (shorter walk to him then at droks).
what i personally would pay big for is a secondary profession changer in the guild hall. to avoid exploits, it would work "per char" too- you could only change to a secondary that you have accessed in the desert.
as far as the others go, i think they should be active based on each characters development. that is, if my character has accessed dakk, the skill trainer should sell every skill that he does. if the char is only up to lions arch, the trainer would have the same skills as sergio, etc, etc. just a question- but does the skill trainer sell sig caps? if so, thats a plus for me right there- thats usually the reason i head to emberlight (shorter walk to him then at droks).
what i personally would pay big for is a secondary profession changer in the guild hall. to avoid exploits, it would work "per char" too- you could only change to a secondary that you have accessed in the desert.
Ruby Lightheart
yeah some explaination on "core" should have been given. I shelled out the 100k thinking core meant it would include the assasin and rittualist skills which of course it dont.
another thing bothering me...our skill trainer only shows primary profession skills..its not showing the secondary profession skills at all.
I feel cost should be reduced to 25k and a refund of 75k given to those who shelled out for this pretty much useless trainer. I also feel if they are gonna do skill trainers this way they need to install a Factions Skill trainer at 25k that includes the new skills from factions including assasin and ritualist
The weaponsmith and merchant are pretty much worhtless too. Only reason I even shelled out for them was to make things easier for new players in our guild and so hwen guildies trade weapons they dont have to run to a city to customize it.
I am not gonna bother with the material traders. I really dont see the point in them if we cant have armorsmiths in the guild hall.
I do think an Auction House would be a fantastic additon to guild halls. Could even make them guild hall features only to encourage hall useage. Of course you wouldnt have to travel to the other persons guild hall to pick up your stuff..it would be auto delivered to you
another thing bothering me...our skill trainer only shows primary profession skills..its not showing the secondary profession skills at all.
I feel cost should be reduced to 25k and a refund of 75k given to those who shelled out for this pretty much useless trainer. I also feel if they are gonna do skill trainers this way they need to install a Factions Skill trainer at 25k that includes the new skills from factions including assasin and ritualist
The weaponsmith and merchant are pretty much worhtless too. Only reason I even shelled out for them was to make things easier for new players in our guild and so hwen guildies trade weapons they dont have to run to a city to customize it.
I am not gonna bother with the material traders. I really dont see the point in them if we cant have armorsmiths in the guild hall.
I do think an Auction House would be a fantastic additon to guild halls. Could even make them guild hall features only to encourage hall useage. Of course you wouldnt have to travel to the other persons guild hall to pick up your stuff..it would be auto delivered to you
quickmonty
[QUOTE=Cash] just a question- but does the skill trainer sell sig caps? if so, thats a plus for me right there- thats usually the reason i head to emberlight (shorter walk to him then at droks).QUOTE]
Yes, he has cap sigs. The main reason I bought one for our guild hall.
Yes, he has cap sigs. The main reason I bought one for our guild hall.
Soccer55
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If u have unlocked the skill in pve play on the same account it should be mirrored in the guild hall just like the trainer in ascalon
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-Tom
Kool Pajamas
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Originally Posted by Soccer55
I agree 100%. I don't see why this would be an unreasonable solution to the GH skill trainer problem. Let him have just the "core skills" as permanent offerings and offer more skills as they're unlocked.
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The officers in my guild unlocked them all the first day.
audioaxes
another thing, it wont let your pvp chars unlock skills with what little skill points they may have gotten
waste of money
waste of money
RandomEngy
Some NPCs like the storage and merchant are priced cheaply, because they're deemed "essential services." Others, like the dye trader and skill trainer are more expensive, because they're luxuries. Some guilds might find them frivolous wastes, but others might like the opportunity to spend some gold and forever have a convenient place for their guild to stock up on capture signets.
Parson Brown
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Does the rune trader at least work normally?
eudas |
One thing I would REALLY like is to be able to see the buy price on runes before salvaging them from the armor. As it is, you have to have the rune in your inventory before you can get a price.