So, take a look at this, some of you have already seem it no doubt. But, wow, they must be working their socks off.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=137818
Quite frankly, going by the cost of factions and prophecies, Im not prepared to pay $100 for two games which haven't even been in development for 12 months...
Comparing this to HL:2, which was in dev for at least a few years (3+) and that was an absolute stonker of a game, the very best ive played.. And i picked the collectors edition up for $24.99 on its day of realease. Compared to Factions... I picked my CE up for $49.99 after a lot of trouble even trying to get hold of it..
What do you all think. And no rants, this is just an observation.
GW Chapters 3, and 4 before summer 2007...O.o
TimberOwl
Fossa
Since Prophecies was so darn good I'll buy Chapter 3 at least. I'll see how they solved access to the high end PvE there before I consider buying #4.
Ravex
it seems like this is there way of adding low monthly fees part of me is excited that there will be a game coming out all the time but like you said they wont be worked on very long and i doubt any one accept the people who play alot will keep buying them for the price of 50$ evry 6months.
TimberOwl
Hmm, still another $34 or $49 every six months... So, Anets "Free Online Gaming" Isn't so free afterall.
UndeadRoadkill
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it seems like this is there way of adding low monthly fees.
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TimberOwl
Indeed, it'll be interesting to see if the next one is introduced on such a grand scale as factions aswell.
devlindracone
it still works out cheaper than a monthly fee. ~9.99 a month compared to ~20 every 6months. (UK prices).
The bit i'm more worried about is the quality and originality of these new expansions.
The bit i'm more worried about is the quality and originality of these new expansions.
Macktar Wang
I think my preordering days are done with this series. Since I'm not into the PvP thing, I'll have to see what the masses say about the next chapters before I fork out for them.
Glitched
Anet has said before that EVERY CHAPTER RECIEVES 12 MONTHS OF DEVELOPMENT! They are not charging us 50 bucks for a game that has been worked on for 6 months. The Anet team is divided. This is my best guess: 55% is working on chapter 3, 25% is working on chapter 4, and 20% is working on current guild wars. As chapter 3 becomes closer to release, the numbers will shift. Chapter three began development Fall 2005, and will be released Fall 2006. Chapter four began development Spring 2006, and will be released Spring 2007.
UndeadRoadkill
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Will you whiny kids quit complaining? Anet has said before that EVERY CHAPTER RECIEVES 12 MONTHS OF DEVELOPMENT! They are not charging us 50 bucks for a game that has been worked on for 6 months. The Anet team is divided. This is my best guess: 55% is working on chapter 3, 25% is working on chapter 4, and 20% is working on current guild wars. As chapter 3 becomes closer to release, the numbers will shift. Chapter three began development Fall 2005, and will be released Fall 2006. Chapter four began development Spring 2006, and will be released Spring 2007.
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Alleji
As a PvP player, I'll have to buy the expansions whether I like the content or not, because new skills and professions are required to stay competitive.
So it is, in fact, a monthly fee for some of us, but I'm not complaining. GW PvP stomps other "montly fee" games into the ground anyway.
So it is, in fact, a monthly fee for some of us, but I'm not complaining. GW PvP stomps other "montly fee" games into the ground anyway.
Stolen Souls
All I can say is that I'm not preordering anymore Guild Wars games. In addition to being a gigantic hassle, preordering Factions just didn't seem to be worth it. From now on I'm gonna wait and see what other Guildies and friends have to say before buying.
No complaints from me, I'm sure Ch 3 (and beyond) will be great. At least I hope so.
No complaints from me, I'm sure Ch 3 (and beyond) will be great. At least I hope so.
TimberOwl
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Will you whiny kids quit complaining? Anet has said before that EVERY CHAPTER RECIEVES 12 MONTHS OF DEVELOPMENT! They are not charging us 50 bucks for a game that has been worked on for 6 months. The Anet team is divided. This is my best guess: 55% is working on chapter 3, 25% is working on chapter 4, and 20% is working on current guild wars. As chapter 3 becomes closer to release, the numbers will shift. Chapter three began development Fall 2005, and will be released Fall 2006. Chapter four began development Spring 2006, and will be released Spring 2007.
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Loviatar
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Quite frankly, going by the cost of factions and prophecies, Im not prepared to pay $100 for two games which haven't even been in development for 12 months... What do you all think. And no rants, this is just an observation. |
i think you should read a bit before you make comments like that since it was announced many places that chapter 2 was started AT the release of GW for a 12 month release a year later (April 28) and chapter 3 was started by a different team 6 months after release for a 12 month release this Oct/Nov with a full year of work.chapter 4 should be getting started right now for a 12 month release on (you guessed it) April 28 of 07
Mister_Smiley
Yep i remember hereing that 3 should be out around x-mas which is badass, really smart on their part. And even though that factions wasn't as long as i though it could have been, the modeling is crazy, i love it and can't wait to see what else the plain. Their is so much they can do.
TimberOwl
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i think you should read a bit before you make comments like that since it was announced many places that chapter 2 was started AT the release of GW for a 12 month release a year later (April 28) and chapter 3 was started by a different team 6 months after release for a 12 month release this Oct/Nov with a full year of work.chapter 4 should be getting started right now for a 12 month release on (you guessed it) April 28 of 07 |
UndeadRoadkill
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As a PvP player, I'll have to buy the expansions whether I like the content or not, because new skills and professions are required to stay competitive.
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DeanBB
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Added the keys and participated in the preview weekend. Got to start the game a bit early with some max weapons.
Factions was released, took my receipt in, picked up 2 release boxes off the shelf, paid for them with $10 off each one due to the pre-order. No hassle.
It is pretty lame to claim you will or won't buy the next chapter when you know nothing about it yet.
Former Ruling
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Well, yeah, they have to pay for their servers, they can't keep selling only Prophecies forever. But if they remain true to their idea that you don't have to buy every new one to remain relevant in Prophecies, and that you should want to buy it on its own merits, it's still a nice system. We'll have to see how it all pans out.
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Monthly Fees, literally, are to pay for more staff constantly creating content. You pay them 12.99 /month (WoW 6 month package) so that they can pay a team to be constantly creating items, quests, areas, etc.
ANd since most of Guild War's staff is in delevoping new chapters, they can afford no monthly fees.
tuskenraid
Hmm.... so let's do the math here. For the people who claim that you still have to pay a monthly fee, most MMO's charge at least $12 a month to play. Over 6 months that $72. Over a year that's $144. You only paid $49 once for GWP. That's almost $100 in savings for a years worth of paying. And, each chapter is it's own game, not just a lousy add-on. So over 2 years with 2 campaigns now, you are saving over $200 dollars in monthly fees. A-net rocks and so does their business model.
As far as the staggered development goes, the teams are not 75%, 50%.... whatever. They have said repeatedly in interviews that they have completely separate teams working full time on each campaign. Sounds good to me.
As far as the staggered development goes, the teams are not 75%, 50%.... whatever. They have said repeatedly in interviews that they have completely separate teams working full time on each campaign. Sounds good to me.
Loviatar
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Yeah i have to admit i was somewhat under the impression that they had on;y worked on it, or them for 6 months at a time.
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i also have hope as i harken back to all the changes made/bugs fixed in chapter 1.(over many months)that is why i am not getting upset over things that are not going right at the moment.
they are taking care of the worst fast as they can and refinements will follow.
this will still be rough for a chapter or so as it is a work in progress and i simply am enjoying it.
KvanCetre
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Hmm, still another $34 or $49 every six months... So, Anets "Free Online Gaming" Isn't so free afterall.
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And yes, it is a free game. You don't have to buy Factions or Chapter 3 or above. You could still play Guild Wars: Prophecies for free until the server is shut down.
UndeadRoadkill
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It is pretty lame to claim you will or won't buy the next chapter when you know nothing about it yet.
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Stolen Souls
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No hassle. Walked into the store, picked up 2 pre-order boxes off the shelf, paid for them.
Added the keys and participated in the preview weekend. Got to start the game a bit early with some max weapons. Factions was released, took my receipt in, picked up 2 release boxes off the shelf, paid for them with $10 off each one due to the pre-order. No hassle. It is pretty lame to claim you will or won't buy the next chapter when you know nothing about it yet. |
Yeah, you're right. It wasn't a hassle for you so that means it was the same for everybody.
Don't ever remember saying I won't buy it...I said I won't PREORDER it. I said I would WAIT until I hear about it from friends and guildies BEFORE buying. I never flat out said I'm not buying them...
Sorry you couldn't understand that.
KvanCetre
Let us not forget the typical MMO has expansion fees on top of monthly fees.
After seeing WoW's planned expansion(which is taking almost twice as long to put out as Factions), I'm pretty glad I switched to Guild Wars. We got a much larger game than they'll get... Essentially, WoW will remain the same exact game it was with two new races(Which are little more than changes in appearance), a few extra dungeons, and one new land to explore(which I'm pretty sure you have to be max-level to enter).
After seeing WoW's planned expansion(which is taking almost twice as long to put out as Factions), I'm pretty glad I switched to Guild Wars. We got a much larger game than they'll get... Essentially, WoW will remain the same exact game it was with two new races(Which are little more than changes in appearance), a few extra dungeons, and one new land to explore(which I'm pretty sure you have to be max-level to enter).
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No hassle. Walked into the store, picked up 2 pre-order boxes off the shelf, paid for them.
Added the keys and participated in the preview weekend. Got to start the game a bit early with some max weapons. Factions was released, took my receipt in, picked up 2 release boxes off the shelf, paid for them with $10 off each one due to the pre-order. No hassle. It is pretty lame to claim you will or won't buy the next chapter when you know nothing about it yet. |
KvanCetre
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Yeah, you're right. It wasn't a hassle for you so that means it was the same for everybody.
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Personally, I prefer this pre-order to any other...
You get free stuff for nothing.
UndeadRoadkill
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What exactly was your problem with pre-order?
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Gaile: "Wait until you see how it is before you complain!"
Anet: "GET COOL FREE STUFF, BUT ONLY IF YOUR PREORDER (BEFORE YOU 'SEE HOW IT IS')!!!!!!!!!!!"
-Player preorders and game is released-
Player: "Gaile, this is exactly the thing we told you we wouldn't like!"
Gaile: "Too bad, we've got your money now."
Sir_BlackJack
You forgot to add for Gaile her usual comment:
zOMGwhatcutepets.yesilikethisandthatandhowwonderfu lislifeandhowcuteisthispet?
zOMGwhatcutepets.yesilikethisandthatandhowwonderfu lislifeandhowcuteisthispet?
Age
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Anet told us they'd be making expansions and we'd pay for them pretty much since the idea of Guild Wars was out. It's not major news - sorry you didn't bother to do any research.
And yes, it is a free game. You don't have to buy Factions or Chapter 3 or above. You could still play Guild Wars: Prophecies for free until the server is shut down. |
allience
as a pvp player, i'll also buy the expansions. i'm very very disappointed with factions, but i need the damn skills. i'll probably feel the same way about the other "expansions". BUT, i will not preorder or get CE since i'm affraid i'll get scamed out like factions did.
Sir Skullcrasher
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I don't think they will be shutting down the prophecies server any time.I would have to say if they did it would be for a more updated look like restoreing Ascalon sort of like pre.If there is one server they would shut down it would be the pre one.
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UndeadRoadkill
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I don't think they will be shutting down the prophecies server any time.I would have to say if they did it would be for a more updated look like restoreing Ascalon sort of like pre.If there is one server they would shut down it would be the pre one.
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=HT=Ingram
God I wish I was going ot E3 this year. I knew I should have booked a flight... oh well.....
Glitched
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Player: "Gaile, this is a bad game mechanic, we won't like it if it's this way."
Gaile: "Wait until you see how it is before you complain!" Anet: "GET COOL FREE STUFF, BUT ONLY IF YOUR PREORDER (BEFORE YOU 'SEE HOW IT IS')!!!!!!!!!!!" -Player preorders and game is released- Player: "Gaile, this is exactly the thing we told you we wouldn't like!" Gaile: "Too bad, we've got your money now." |
generik
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Anet has said before that EVERY CHAPTER RECIEVES 12 MONTHS OF DEVELOPMENT! They are not charging us 50 bucks for a game that has been worked on for 6 months. The Anet team is divided. This is my best guess: 55% is working on chapter 3, 25% is working on chapter 4, and 20% is working on current guild wars. As chapter 3 becomes closer to release, the numbers will shift. Chapter three began development Fall 2005, and will be released Fall 2006. Chapter four began development Spring 2006, and will be released Spring 2007.
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Other games on the shelves going for $50 (or $49.99, whatever floats your boat) are in development for an average of two to three years. 12 months for a game is still very short!
Sir Skullcrasher
I think Half Life 2 has like 5 to 6 years in development before we got it released later 2005? 
UndeadRoadkill
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Wow, dont even try to blame this on Anet. If you dont like the game mechanic, and you knew nothing about it, its your own damn fault preordering.
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Loviatar
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6 months.. 12 months.. so?
Other games on the shelves going for $50 (or $49.99, whatever floats your boat) are in development for an average of two to three years. 12 months for a game is still very short! |
that is very true.however you are forgetting the facts that Anet does not have to spend the time creating an engine for the game as they have one they are familiar with.
Anet also doesnt have to start from scrarch in building the landscape,characters,artwork,animations,etc while Anet has a big (and growing bigger each chapter) library of items to drag and drop for the next continent.
the more chapters they make with the bigger library and greater familiarity with doing the work the more time they will have for new additional content.
so yes they can do more in one year than another company starting a new game from scratch.
Nevin
They have been in devopement for 12 months.
When Prophecies was released factions had already been 6 months into developement, when Factions was released Chapter 3 had already been 6 months into developement.
They have more then 1 team to do work..
When Prophecies was released factions had already been 6 months into developement, when Factions was released Chapter 3 had already been 6 months into developement.
They have more then 1 team to do work..