MM.... why all the hate

Undead Preacher

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Scribes of Cantha (USoC)

12 May 2006 at 07:30 - 1

K frst of all I have used an MM build to beat factions with henches. Since the so called MM nerf with the max minions of 10 I prefer to summon 1 Flesh Golem + 9 Bone fiends...

my question is this.... besides the Flesh Golem are Bone Fiends still the minions of choice or are the new vampric horrors better...

Also PLZ, and I said PLZ... stop complaining about this nerf... its over and not going to change.... just evolve with it. I'm also seeing several MM's claiming to have been able to control 80 minions...LMFAO, get real.. even in MF that many are never controlled By 1 Person!

Yes I think that V. Sacrifce was slaughtered with the nerf and Yes I obviously think that if I could still have 20-30 minions I would obviously be more powerful... but I still own with no problems with 10... especially with my daddy mack golem leading the crew! So I would just like people opinions on my other 9 minions

IMO
Bone Fiends > Bone Horrors
but are Vampric Horrors > Bone fiends???

My Current Build:

N/Mo

Attributes:
Death Magic: 16
Soul Reaping: 13

Skills:
1) Flesh Golem{e}
2) Animate Bone Fiends
3) Animate Vampric Horrors
4) Deathly Swarm
5) Death Nova
6) V. Sacrifice
7) Blood of the Master
8) Rebirth

- Cast Death Nova on your Flesh Golem before you replace him... do it often and its some nice AOE damage.
Nothing like sitting there with a detenator... oh yea

Basically I was running 1 flesh golem and 9 fiends... now i'm running 1 golem... and as many vamprics as i can, casting fiends when its recharging!

I walked through factions with absolutely no problems.... not solo, henches all the way!

Suggestions
20/20 wand and 20/20 offhand (fast cast/ recharge) ~KCP~
Bloodstained Boots and +energy armor

here's my weapon setup... but the one KCP suggest is a better choice! just my preference

Another Plus about Factions.... new skins for Bloodstained boots... bout time ty anet
The ones I got are just 1.5.... but MM isn't my primary build!

Kcp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

OBF

N/

12 May 2006 at 07:41 - 2

Vampiric horrors can heal you pretty decently. A lot of people hate them due to the 15 second recharge. I have no idea what these people are using itemwise ( wand, offhand.)

I use the 20/20 weapon crafter max death wand with the 20/20 cesta. I dont even notice waiting on recharges. Sometimes you get the insta cast / recharge minions which is great. I don't care about +1 skills. I wouldn't sacrifice one of the 20/20's for a 20% chance at a 1 lvl higher minion......but thats just me.

Flesh golem, 4-5 vampiric horrors, and the rest fiends in the backlines plows thru the enemies. Those crazy damage dealing earth ele's in factions can give you problems as can some of those lvl 28 spirit rift casting ritualist bosses. But other then that factions with MM necro was child's play.

Let people hate on the MM. They are wasting their breath just like the ele's after the aoe update ( and they are still crying and hating on the necro.)

Undead Preacher

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Scribes of Cantha (USoC)

N/

12 May 2006 at 07:45 - 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kcp
Vampiric horrors can heal you pretty decently. A lot of people hate them due to the 15 second recharge. I have no idea what these people are using itemwise ( wand, offhand.)

I use the 20/20 weapon crafter max death wand with the 20/20 cesta. I dont even notice waiting on recharges. Sometimes you get the insta cast / recharge minions which is great. I don't care about +1 skills. I wouldn't sacrifice one of the 20/20's for a 20% chance at a 1 lvl higher minion......but thats just me.

Flesh golem, 4-5 vampiric horrors, and the rest fiends in the backlines plows thru the enemies. Those crazy damage dealing earth ele's in factions can give you problems as can some of those lvl 28 spirit rift casting ritualist bosses. But other then that factions with MM necro was child's play.

Let people hate on the MM. They are wasting their breath just like the ele's after the aoe update ( and they are still crying and hating on the necro.) thank you KCP... Advice from you is always appreciated

Rion

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Blashyrkh

12 May 2006 at 12:54 - 4

Frankly people are weak of mind and cringe at the mere thought of change. A lot of people have run with an old reliable build for MM for a long time and to change that is inconcievable.

As KCP said, let them hate. They're wasting their breath.

All the more corpses for me.

Cymboric Treewalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Imperial Palace - Cantha

[SFK] Sacred Forge Knights (founder)

Me/Mo

12 May 2006 at 13:03 - 5

Hmm... may have to start a Factions Necro after reading this...

MelechRic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

RA

[ODIN]

N/Mo

12 May 2006 at 13:11 - 6

I'm just going to reiterate the sentiments in this thread. I've MM'd all the way through factions with zero problems. I go with Golem, fiends and horrors. The horrors are only there to exploit a corpse if I have no other alternative.

MM is still the "easy button" when it comes to PvE.

BTW: where is that 20/20 wand?

EDIT: Forgot that there's a level 28 Elementalist boss in Jade sea... that guy will rock your MM, but I think he could rock most things besides an interrupt ranger.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

12 May 2006 at 13:26 - 7

Rt/N with points in spawning for a MM is pretty sweet too. I didn't think it would be until I saw a guildie run it. Even with only 12 in death magic, the health gain on on your summoned creatures still helps a ton.

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

12 May 2006 at 14:22 - 8

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undead Preacher
my question is this.... besides the Flesh Golem are Bone Fiends still the minions of choice or are the new vampric horrors better?

The recycle time is too long, the energy cost is too high, the dps is too low, and the health comes to me not the minion.

VHorrors = not very good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undead Preacher
I'm also seeing several MM's claiming to have been able to control 80 minions...LMFAO, get real.. even in MF that many are never controlled! I don't know how to break this to you, but pre-nerf MM's could indeed have 80 or more minions up at one moment. Corpses can be generated far more quickly in PvE than in PvP. Much much faster.

Pre-nerf, minions lived for 6 minutes without trying very hard. Assuming a constant supply of corpses and no energy issues then you can raise 120 horrors/fiends during that time and that's without Bloodstained Boots. With BSB, it's 160 during the same time period. (That's 320 Bone Minions!)

Now, realistically, losses from degen and combat plus energy issues on the MM prevented one from hitting the ceiling. But 80-100 horrors/fiends was definately attainable.

EDIT: I forgot to include the aftercast delay. So, here's the corrected numbers:

Without BSB: 96 fiends/horrors
With BSB: 120 fiends/horrors

zulu123

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

12 May 2006 at 15:01 - 9

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kcp
I use the 20/20 weapon crafter max death wand with the 20/20 cesta. I dont even notice waiting on recharges. This is interesting. I was under the impression that the crafters only crafted focus items for casters. Are there also wand crafters in Factions?

Jade_Onyx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Montreal

TSK

12 May 2006 at 17:04 - 10

I've always loved MMs and I never sticked with one build (went ranger, war...that one didn't really work...was interesting using different skills then the old standard raise raise GoR VS raise raise raise...). As for the Vampiric minions...I have found that the skill takes too long to recharge during a fight (i dont like having lots of skills on my bar that take forever to recharge...and yes 15 seconds for me is forever...). I actually don't mind the nerf since it allows me to remove VS (I find that its kinda useless now since you can renew your minions once you reach 10) and add in some other corpse spells (well of profane FTW). It also allows me to death nova all my minions now and just spam the rez horros for mass explosions hehe. Now to heal my minions I just use BotM and heal area for my health. Every group I've been in so far has at least mentioned how 'awsome at MMing' I am (strange that they notice it more with 10 minions then when I had 20+ pre nerf...). Anywho, just my two cents. By the way, the build I am using right now is horrors, fiends, golum, BotM, heal area, tast of death, death nova, well of profane (or anything really, depends on the group and the area).

Kcp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

OBF

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12 May 2006 at 18:47 - 11

20/20 wands can be crafted at the 15k armor cities in each territory. They cost 5 plat.

With 20/20 wand and a 20/20 focus a 15 second recharge is nothing on vampiric horrors

I find it nice that the horrors heal you and not themselves. Why do I say this? Because spamming botm with 10 minions is a nice chunk of life. If running 9 vampiric horrors that sac is regained in a short period of time w/o any outside healing. They regularly hit in the 30's-40's........thats 30-40 health you gain each attack totally nullifying the life you lost healing each one individually for +122 with Botm. It will put less strain on your monk in your group as well.

Ya there will be times the faster recharge doesnt kick in. Toss a bone fiend in the mix when this happens. You don't need ALL your minions to be melee.

I said in another post that myself and 2 of my buddies each using a necro carved a nice chunk thru ferndale with NO monk or anyone else in the group. I had no outside source of healing except vampiric horrors, no taste of death , soul feast, or consume corpse. Spammed BoTm when needed, and was quickly refilled by their life steal.

Dog on them as much as you want. They work perfect IMO.

Grafalcon Darkeyes

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Canada

19AG

Mo/

12 May 2006 at 20:10 - 12

The Way I Do My MM is I use bone fiends and vamp horrors when ever one of ems not recharging i just throw one up then heal it is hard for the healer :P lol but o well :P
I Think There Was Nothing Wrong With The Nerf Except The V-sacrifice if They Wouldnt of Nerfd that then It would of Made It alot Easier For the sacrif part and for the healer's
but thats what the call adapting to certain situations

Dr. Fire

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Ohio, U.S.A.

Bane of Darkness [BoD]

Me/

12 May 2006 at 22:05 - 13

I am using 1 Flesh Golem, 8 Fiends, and 1 Bone Horror. I use the Bone Horror as my Death Nova Bomb. Taste of Death detonates him, and heals me. In Factions there are a lot of foes, so it is no problem making more minion bombs. I also carry 8 points in Healing prayers which gives me 110 heal with Heal Area. So, I stand in the middle of my fiends and alternately cast BotM and HA, Minions and I stay alive nicely. Works great and Vamp Horrors aren't needed.

Undead Preacher

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Join Date: Nov 2005

United Scribes of Cantha (USoC)

N/

12 May 2006 at 22:43 - 14

This is what I'm currently using from a weapons crafter in an explorable area... I would prefer 20-40% recharge but this works for now...

Scourage of Death

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Unknown Warriors [UW]

N/

12 May 2006 at 23:32 - 15

Could KCP and Undead Preacher plz share their build...I have been using a N/Rt and havent found it extremely usefull thus far and was wondering what you guys are using

Undead Preacher

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United Scribes of Cantha (USoC)

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12 May 2006 at 23:40 - 16

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scourage of Death
Could KCP and Undead Preacher plz share their build...I have been using a N/Rt and havent found it extremely usefull thus far and was wondering what you guys are using I'll post mine a little later tonight... taking care of my fire breathing daughter right now... 6 months old and she already runs the house!

Scourage of Death

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Unknown Warriors [UW]

N/

12 May 2006 at 23:55 - 17

lol that sucks hf and ill wait for that post

Dark Tykane

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Cult Unseen

N/Me

13 May 2006 at 02:57 - 18

With the recharge wand and offhand Vamp horrors are definately better without a question. The only thing that I saw is wrong with them is when mixed with bone fiends....Sometimes they get cought on the fiends and your horrors are all useless because they can't move.(In most small areas this is a problem e.g. places like Skyway) I'm not Luxon but when I did the Luxon pre-mission (whatever you want to call it) there was so much open space that I plowed through with fiends and vamps and it only took a few minutes to kill the kracken.

Undead Preacher

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13 May 2006 at 03:25 - 19

updated with my build... its nothing uber... but its all i needed to beat factions with no problems.

its edited into my OP

oh... the one difference is i used bone horrors instead of vampric... but the vampric eliminated my need for a self heal!

Scourage of Death

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Unknown Warriors [UW]

N/

13 May 2006 at 17:25 - 20

Ty man...Only thing i change is the veratas(dont find it usefull anymore)...BTW where do you get the new bloodstained boots and is there a place to change your armor to factions yet(I wanna change my 15k rly bad lol)?

Undead Preacher

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13 May 2006 at 22:26 - 21

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scourage of Death
Ty man...Only thing i change is the veratas(dont find it usefull anymore)...BTW where do you get the new bloodstained boots and is there a place to change your armor to factions yet(I wanna change my 15k rly bad lol)? every armor crafter I have found offers Blood stained boots... in cantha that is...

Dark Tykane

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Cult Unseen

N/Me

14 May 2006 at 21:54 - 22

Today I found that going without fiends at all makes it easier to do with hench. With golem, vamps, and horrors I have a perfect wall of minions and I can sacrifice health as much as I want without going below 300 health. The vamps get all of your health back almost instantly depending on your vamp to horror ratio so you can keep a wall of minions much longer than if you do it with fiends because my fiends always block my golem and vamps

Undead Preacher

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16 May 2006 at 05:39 - 23

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Tykane
Today I found that going without fiends at all makes it easier to do with hench. With golem, vamps, and horrors I have a perfect wall of minions and I can sacrifice health as much as I want without going below 300 health. The vamps get all of your health back almost instantly depending on your vamp to horror ratio so you can keep a wall of minions much longer than if you do it with fiends because my fiends always block my golem and vamps Yea I believe after the Golem and Vamprics whether you use fiends or horrors is really the choice of the MM... I like to mix it up with a little ranged combat with the fiends but the 10 less energy for the horrors is a plus.. and definetly a nice meat shield...

Hemophiliac

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

17 May 2006 at 14:41 - 24

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undead Preacher
This is what I'm currently using from a weapons crafter in an explorable area... I would prefer 20-40% recharge but this works for now... good build for henching it, I use almost the same one with my henchies. I drop VS and I bring one of the heal areas with BotM for henchie groups. But I use a different approach for PUG's as you already posted in.

I'd suggest dishing out for a bortaks bone cesta; [Death Magic +1 (20% chance while using skills) Halves casting time of Death Magic spells (Chance: 20%)] and the end game green wayward wand; [Halves skill recharge (Chance: 20%) and Energy +5 (while Health is above 50%)]. For a 20% recharge and 20% casting time, just wish that Bortaks was recharge instead of casting time, as two 20% recharge times would be better, the boots do enough for casting time typically.

Undead Preacher

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17 May 2006 at 15:09 - 25

There is the following wands and offhands that work alrgiht besides bortaks!
BOLD = what I use now

Bone Spiral
Halves skill Recharge of death magic skills(chance 20%)
Energy +5(while health above 50%)

Bone Spiral
Halves Casting time of death magic skills(chance 20%)
Energy +5(while health above 50%)

Bone Spiral
Halves skill Recharge of death magic skills(chance 20%)
Halves Casting time of death magic skills(chance 20%)

Bleached Skull
Energy +12
Death magic +1(chance 20%)
Health +30

Bleached Skull
Energy +12
Halves Casting time of death magic skills(chance 20%)
Halves skill recharge of death magic skills(chance 20%)

Hemophiliac

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

17 May 2006 at 15:58 - 26

Care to share where are you finding the top 2 bone spirals at? I am finding them with +5 energy <50%..... at the Kurzik Saint Anjeka's Shrine. But have had no luck tracking any +5 > 50% ones. I thought that it was +5>50% there but maybe they changed it or it changes with which side controls the elite missions.......

Raziel665

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Defenders of the Blackblade [DotB]

N/Mo

18 May 2006 at 06:52 - 27

There's a crafter outside of Kaineng City who has it, he's at some large square south east of the City, you won't encounter any enemies on the way there.

Hemophiliac

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

18 May 2006 at 13:35 - 28

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raziel665
There's a crafter outside of Kaineng City who has it, he's at some large square south east of the City, you won't encounter any enemies on the way there. opps forgot to update my post, I found that one with the faster casting, but I am really looking for the faster skill recharge, which that crafter does not have.....

Manic Smile

Desert Nomad

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Hawaii

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18 May 2006 at 14:05 - 29

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood
The recycle time is too long, the energy cost is too high, the dps is too low, and the health comes to me not the minion.

VHorrors = not very good.

fully agreed, Vamp Minnion is more a gimmic then a useful tool

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood
I don't know how to break this to you, but pre-nerf MM's could indeed have 80 or more minions up at one moment. Corpses can be generated far more quickly in PvE than in PvP. Much much faster.

Pre-nerf, minions lived for 6 minutes without trying very hard. Assuming a constant supply of corpses and no energy issues then you can raise 120 horrors/fiends during that time and that's without Bloodstained Boots. With BSB, it's 160 during the same time period. (That's 320 Bone Minions!)

Now, realistically, losses from degen and combat plus energy issues on the MM prevented one from hitting the ceiling. But 80-100 horrors/fiends was definately attainable.

EDIT: I forgot to include the aftercast delay. So, here's the corrected numbers:

Without BSB: 96 fiends/horrors
With BSB: 120 fiends/horrors Just want to add one more thing...fast casting sometimes insta casts with a 20 fastcast death 10 fastcast all combo (don't know about having 20 and 20 death fastcast) I'd insta cast 1 in 10 times maybe...don't know if that would effect the amount at all

To the disbelievers I used to play around in the Isle of the Nameless...80 was not a problem at all. In jungle missions as well 80 was quite easy or even Surrow's Furnace down where the temple meets the jungle. To be honest I probably floated around 40 minnions more often but that's just because 40 might as well be 80 for all the difference there is at that point...and 40 is so much less effort.

Manic Smile

Desert Nomad

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Hawaii

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18 May 2006 at 14:08 - 30

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemophiliac
Care to share where are you finding the top 2 bone spirals at? I am finding them with +5 energy <50%..... at the Kurzik Saint Anjeka's Shrine. But have had no luck tracking any +5 > 50% ones. I thought that it was +5>50% there but maybe they changed it or it changes with which side controls the elite missions.......

Do the togo mission that you first get as a forign character...the weapon crafter is over there on the opposite side of togo.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rion Frankly people are weak of mind and cringe at the mere thought of change. A lot of people have run with an old reliable build for MM for a long time and to change that is inconcievable.

As KCP said, let them hate. They're wasting their breath.

All the more corpses for me. no...there is change...and then there is what A.net did to VS...

VS is UTTERLY BROKEN, who would use it now?

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelechRic

EDIT: Forgot that there's a level 28 Elementalist boss in Jade sea... that guy will rock your MM, but I think he could rock most things besides an interrupt ranger. spam BotM -> BotM -> HA -> BotM...

It'll keep you army alive long enough to kill it...assuming you have 9 fiends and a golem.

blood raven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

18 May 2006 at 14:14 - 31

can you say exactly where that is?
i don't really remmember where togo was standing when my char first came to kaineng ^^

Manic Smile

Desert Nomad

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Hawaii

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18 May 2006 at 14:21 - 32

Quote:
Originally Posted by blood raven
can you say exactly where that is?
i don't really remmember where togo was standing when my char first came to kaineng ^^ Go out of the first town...not the Market place the place that has the palace. Walk up and kinda to the left...there is a pathway lined with guards and no monsters. You will come to a borken bridge...walk around it to the right then take a left to cross over to where the bridge would have taken you. To the right, just after crossing is where Togo was standing...look to the left of there for a [Weapons] NPC.

Hemophiliac

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

18 May 2006 at 16:39 - 33

Quote:
Originally Posted by Manic Smile
Do the togo mission that you first get as a forign character...the weapon crafter is over there on the opposite side of togo. That is the one I have been stating has the casting time wand, I just checked again with a new character even.
The only weapon crafter there is Sheco and they craft
Bone Spiral
Halves Casting time of death magic skills(chance 20%)
Energy +5(while health above 50%)

Still looking for where this one is found
Bone Spiral
Halves skill Recharge of death magic skills(chance 20%)
Energy +5(while health above 50%)
that Undead stated you could find, as I would rather have this than use an amulet of the mists on the wayward wand which is the same thing.

Manic Smile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Hawaii

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18 May 2006 at 21:59 - 34

I think the wayward is fast cast as well but I can't remember...sorry never noticed a 20% recharge

blood raven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

19 May 2006 at 11:12 - 35

wayward is recharge...
looking for this one too:
Bone Spiral
Halves skill Recharge of death magic skills(chance 20%)
Energy +5(while health above 50%)

Hemophiliac

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

19 May 2006 at 14:16 - 36

Quote:
Originally Posted by blood raven
wayward is recharge...
looking for this one too:
Bone Spiral
Halves skill Recharge of death magic skills(chance 20%)
Energy +5(while health above 50%) Havn't found one in searching most of Cantha (don't have parts of the Jade Sea yet as I am not Luxon), pretty sure will have to go with a wayward wand as nothing I can find proves a bone spiral like that exists. Guildwiki dosn't even have that anywhere and they are dead on, on what I have found. Giving up the search for it and will just get a wayward wand.

Eragon Dragonslayer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Right Behind You

The Raven Evolution [wvw]

A/

22 May 2006 at 06:08 - 37

Undead and KCP...i just gotta say u guys make and explain the best necro builds possible u rock dudes! thanx for making me love the necro again =D

buffazzazn

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/N

24 May 2006 at 17:45 - 38

Hey do u guys know if heal area would increase minion health degen?

xenoranger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

24 May 2006 at 18:28 - 39

Responding to the original post....

MM was and wasn't nerfed. After playing for a while, I call it an "adjustment".MINION NUMBER ADJUSTMENT

Now.. a single MM could easily have 63 minions (usage of horrors and fiends) pre-adjustement. They could also be maintained for quite a while. (some say 6 min, I had them running a bit longer in some cases) Cutting the number of minions you can manage at once was a nerf. Otherwise you could use the Offering of Blood + Vampiric horrors + verata's sacrifice to be an invinci-necro. Just think about an alliance battle. You have an MM killing and making new minions with every kill.All you need is arcane echo, and you can make new VHorrors pretty quick. Plus, keeping them alive woudln't have been too hard. So, a warrior attacks you and does 28 damage (I think that's max). You have 2 Vhorrors doing 18 damage. That's 36 energy regained. The warrior would have to seriously be using skills and degen to keep you down b/c the average MM (pre adjustment) would carry 16+ minions. If you casted mainly VHorrors, you'd own without ever going down. Just, Offering of Blood, and you get teh boost to recast.

Limiting to 10 minions means that your VHorrors can take a max of 180 HP every 2-3 seconds (I forget what their attack frequency is offhand). You're harder to kill, but the minions aren't a zerg, so you can be killed.
BLOOD OF THE MASTER

This adjustment has a wee bit of controversy in my book. It does 2 things. First, it's nice because you can heal all minions that are friendly. Great work because you just need 1 necro healing for multiple MM's in the party. The downside here is that you have a flucuating sacfrice (5% base + 2% per minion). This means that more minions equates to a higher sacirfice required. At base, you get a 7% sacrifice (assuming 1 minion). if you have 4 necromancers in the party, you're sacrificing 85% of your life. Add a 5th, and you die. Aura of Lich may help on the sacrifice, but you're still doing quite a bit of sacrificing. The upside is that Blood of hte Master has a radar range for healing and it heals for 122 hp (death 16). It used to be an "in the area" spell like heal area. The adjustment is an adjustment.

VERATA'S SACRIFICE

NERF! Nuff said here.

This skill used to allow MM's to have all minions
on a regen of +10 for 20 seconds. It's been reduced to 10 seconds (max time) and has a recharge of 60 seconds. The only way to effectively use Verata's Sacrifice is to keep 3 or fewer minions under your control. Then it recharges instantly. Now, the only benefit to VSac is the ability to pull conditions from your minions.

BTW: ANet did screw with the history of verata by nerfing this skill. It's funny because this nerf is like saying verata was a wannabe when there's a quest that claims that he can keep minions alive for far greater periods of time than ordinary necros. Someone else pointed that out on another thread, so I can't take credit for that observation.
ANIMATE BONE MINIONS

Buff... seriously

2 minions at ½ the level of a horror for the same price isn't shabby. Sure, you have a max you can command, but this makes playing bomberman/girl much more energy effective.
ANIMATE FLESH GOLEM

Honestly, this is neither a nerf nor a buff to MMing. The golems are great tanks, but because you can only have 1, it's not spammable like other minions. In addition to this, you can use golems like a pet. Just summon 1 golem, and you essentially have an extra (lvl 26) party member. The resusable corspe can even be used in conjunction with well of suffering to make your golem a portable tank/corpse for later exploitation. Remember, minion masters aren' the only use for minion skills.
ANIMATE VAMPIRIC HORRORS

Buff

Definitely nice to have Vampiric Horrors (Vhorrors) as an option. The life stealing works well for HP management, since you have to sacrifice to keep minions alive. Very few builds actually just use Vhorrors as life regen, but I've come up with a couple that have you casting 1-2 Vhorrors just as an extra damage dealer.
CORPSE AVAILABILITY

BUFF... Majorly

In Tyria, I found corpses were quite scarce in a lot of areas. Cantha is chalked full of corpses to exploit. As such, Factions offers a very strong case for taking an MM in your party. There are very few locations I wouldn't take an MM in cantha.

Other...?

I'm sure there are other arguements regarding the MM builds. Truth is that minions have been ADJUSTED. People need to stop saying [i]nerf[/b] (or buff to a lesser extent) and start calling it what it really is. I was pissed at first, but now that I've learned more about what ANet has done, I understand the new MM Builds and can say that it's more fun now than before. Although competitions for most minions is gone, playing MM requires more skill and people need to keep their wits about them if they're going to play MM.

ANet basically wielded out teh wannabes and left room for the students of verata.

Raziel665

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Defenders of the Blackblade [DotB]

N/Mo

24 May 2006 at 19:30 - 40

Quote:
Originally Posted by buffazzazn
Hey do u guys know if heal area would increase minion health degen? Healing them wont make them die faster.

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