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zakaria

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

13 May 2006 at 09:03 - 1

We are suppose to get new chapetr every 6 months, and ch3 suppose to be released in Nov 06 if there is no delay in development prgress.

Now i'm still straggling with my 'sin through quests and missions and there is new chapter coming, you may think 6 months is too far but try to get the whole picture :

- you are trying one of the new prof. and you still have 3 char. to get them through cantha (considering you have PvP slot).
- you still have to unlock all skills for new/old char.
- you may like one of the the new armors and want to get one.
- you may want to cover your loss of rare/common materials stocks and gold again.
- you may want to farm for particular green item you want rather than buy it (since your gold in storage on bleed from all new contents you are getting )
- you may want to work with your guildies through your alliance to get city and have access for elite mission.

i'm still neglecting that you are not (some of us don't want/can't for many reasons to do) :
- working on your titles for all/your favorite char..
- working on your rank in HA.
- try after all this to keep up with your guildies to play GvG every night.

LOL..

ANet give us break..we will not gonna catch our breaths like this, 6 months is too short in my opinion.

PS:you don't have to do all what i mentioned but at least if you are doing half of them in GW it will make you complete busy from new chapter coming after 6 months

Fiendz Bane

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Netherlands

Wee Free Men [凸〇一〇]

W/E

13 May 2006 at 09:12 - 2

Yes, we have plenty of 'work' to do before the next chapter will come out.

Now hope i don't get a drop worth millions otherwise i'll never have to farm again

Misa

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right next to the armor crafter.

Mo/

13 May 2006 at 09:25 - 3

ANet is totally rushing all these "expansions" (or additional stand-alone) games. Because of this I am worrying about the quality of these "expansions." To me, Faction is not as promising as I expected.

I wish Anet could slow down abit with all these expansions and develope one that is wrothwhile like the original GW.

samifly

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Girl Power [GP]

Mo/Me

13 May 2006 at 10:00 - 4

Dont have to buy the expansion

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

13 May 2006 at 10:43 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by samifly

Dont have to buy the expansion

Very true

In fact I'm glad the next expansion will be there in 5 months, because it allows me to skip this one if it has not turned to the good by summer hollidays (this date I set long ago to gather some information first rather than buying 'blindly'; for chapter 3 it would be chrismas hollidays I think

)

Francis Crawford

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

13 May 2006 at 11:30 - 6

This is the first time I've ever seen somebody complain of too MUCH gameplay.

I agree that rushing to market can have bad consequences, however. E.g., KOTOR II could have been the greatest PC game of all time, but the obvious rushing was EXTREME (as in graphics that were just in outline form). Most painful was that what started as a deep intricate story dissolved into something at the end that made little more sense than -- well, than the Guild Wars Prophecies story.

zankoku

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Teh Academy [PhD]

13 May 2006 at 11:38 - 7

I've got to agree with Francis above. Six months is long enough time to play through the game, explore, unlock and capture skills, farm, buy armor and weapons, and all that good stuff. Last year, my friends were complaining that they had run out of things to do in Prophecies by September/October, if not earlier -- and arguably Prophecies was a much longer game than Factions.

And iirc, selling expansion packs every six-months, in lieu of monthly fees, was Anet's business plan from the start. Anet's not going to make money every quarter sitting on a year old game, and they'll lose player interest in the meantime. Still, it took them over half a year to release Sorrow's Furnace (albeit free) and a year to release Factions. That said, they're not forcing you to buy the expansions. Although, I would think the fans would salivate over new content.

zhai

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Poland

The Witchers

R/Me

13 May 2006 at 11:42 - 8

But Ch3 will be realised at the end of 2006...
Dont forget that there is something like Summer break and many people want to take a break from GW.

zankoku

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Teh Academy [PhD]

13 May 2006 at 11:48 - 9

Sure, but what I'm saying is if Anet waits a year between releases, as they did with Factions, they'll lose a lot of players and risk GW becoming irrelevant. I know a lot of players who finished GW, got rich, got rank, and just had nothing left to do. They moved onto other games, and many haven't come back for Factions.

Just because expansions come out, doesn't mean you have to rush through the game you're on now. It just means that there's more game content ahead of you if you choose to buy it.

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Me

13 May 2006 at 11:52 - 10

I just hope it doesn't end up with EA Sports Syndrome or Unreal Tournament EveryOtherYear - cookie cutter-esque sequels/expansions which aren't really that different from the previous version and are basically just to get sales in...

Yes, GW was starting to grind a bit (in more than one sense) and it's about time there was a sequel/expansion/whateveryouwanttocallit it's going to be quite the balancing act to provide lasting content and not fall into the cookie cutter trap

zakaria

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

13 May 2006 at 11:57 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francis Crawford

This is the first time I've ever seen somebody complain of too MUCH gameplay.

I agree that rushing to market can have bad consequences, however. E.g., KOTOR II could have been the greatest PC game of all time, but the obvious rushing was EXTREME (as in graphics that were just in outline form). Most painful was that what started as a deep intricate story dissolved into something at the end that made little more sense than -- well, than the Guild Wars Prophecies story.

I love GWP/GWF and don't get me wrong i'm just raising my voice.This not complaining or whining thread, all what i'm saying at this speed your char. can't keep it up with new contents in every 6 months, and if they gives us new prof. every expansion ..your char. will get lost between all these expansions at this rate of releases.

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

13 May 2006 at 12:10 - 12

Just my opinion of course, but no way could Factions hold my interest for a year. There's nothing to do but farm faction points.

There's too many issues still in it that prevent it from being a great game. From mission balance, to obscene amounts of forced faction farming. Game turns dull and boring way to fast for me. There's ways to fix this, but this is not the right thread for that topic.

Cador

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Relax Its Just A [GAME]

R/E

13 May 2006 at 12:41 - 13

What the OP does not understand is that A-Net spends one year on EVERY game they make including GW:P, when prophecies was released they were developing factions and 6 months before factions was released they were developing CH:3 and ill bet 6 months before CH:3 is released 4 will be in the works.

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

13 May 2006 at 12:52 - 14

I worry about the quality of the game as well if they rush out expansions. Now, I'm not a game developer but I do know a little something about programming and I've been a gamer for a while. Quality games can take many months to years to develop. I fear that, unless Chapters 3 and 4 were in the works from the beginning, the overall quality of the game will diminish with each new chapter.

Fox Reeveheart

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Michigan

none q.q

D/

13 May 2006 at 14:42 - 15

Ok just SHHH

The announcement for expansions every six months CAME EVEN BEFORE THE RELEASE OF GUILD WARS!

So please, you should have done your crying a long time ago. The reason it took a year for factions is because they still had to get into the swing of things, and now they are getting into it and I am happy, because I am not overly impressed with factions besides the classes and pets =) other than that... meh... So I WELCOME an african-themed GW.

Seriously O.o 6-month expansions was announced before the GW release... SO SHHH, this was something everyone knew but you... because we decided not to tell you... cause you smell like old people.... yeah...

StrongBow

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

next to my neighbour!

W/E

13 May 2006 at 14:54 - 16

We have the option "not to buy" and yet be "Comptetivie"

lol
And factions was only a good mirror why not to purchase the next Chapter

Maybe in time it will improve but ...

IMO it's only a good planned marketing strategy. You will get a chapter for 50$ with less content then "Profecies" and two new professions + 3 new guildhalls + 1 most wanted facility "Auction house" anyone?

It's not that they don't listen to their customers ... it's like

"You want it? pay for it"

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

13 May 2006 at 15:50 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet

I worry about the quality of the game as well if they rush out expansions. Now, I'm not a game developer but I do know a little something about programming and I've been a gamer for a while. Quality games can take many months to years to develop. I fear that, unless Chapters 3 and 4 were in the works from the beginning, the overall quality of the game will diminish with each new chapter.

as I and others have said each chapter gets ONE YEAR not 6 months.

work on Factions was started and announced on release of GW.

chapter 3 started with a completely independent team and was announced 6 months later and the latest news on chapter 3 is that it is on schedule for an ontime release this Oct/Nov with ONE YEARS WORK ON IT.

chapter 4 is/will be very soon started for a 2nd year anniversary launch by a completely separate team WITH ONE FULL YEAR of work.

as for the short time remember they now have an extensive art/animation library to work with and the game engine is in place as well.

chessyang

Not far from Elite

Join Date: Apr 2006

Florida

W/

13 May 2006 at 17:14 - 18

well if this is all true then i'll buy the game after the retail prices go down -) save me the cash and when buying suff in game it will all be cheaper

Fist_of_God

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

13 May 2006 at 17:32 - 19

Unless we get auction houses and bigger storages, you couldnt give me a free copy of chater 2-3 or whatever. We have been bitching and moaning for over a year for an auction house and bigger storages.. Other less complicated games have them, its not rocket science to put one into the game.

What is the use to have all these new weapons and event items, if they are not going to give us any more room or a better way of getting rid of our stuff, other than the merchant or spamming in(insert favorite town).

I have 2 mules full of items I have collected and want to keep, and my other two characters I use to play. Now, they know we want more room and know we desperately need more storage space. Instead of giving this to us, they only allow us to buy more room (ie..$$ for xtra character slots). THIS IS CLEARLY A SLAP IN THE FACE.

Yes, I enjoy the game, but unless they give us more storage space and auction houses, they will not see another penny from me. I am a collector. I enjoy collecting and refuse to dump shit, just because anet wont give me more space and they are trying to make us buy it. As far as the auction houses go, this would decrease much spam in any selling/buying town.

UndeadRoadkill

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 May 2006 at 17:48 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by zakaria

LOL..

ANet give us break..we will not gonna catch our breaths like this, 6 months is too short in my opinion.

Geez, it's not like there's a requirement that every character who doesn't beat a chapter by the time the next one comes out gets deleted. Do it all at your own pace, what's the big deal? I still have plenty of things left to do in Prophecies, and I far prefer the feeling of more things to do piling up to the feeling of "oh no, I've done everything, and now there's no real point to playing anymore."

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

13 May 2006 at 18:04 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cador

What the OP does not understand is that A-Net spends one year on EVERY game they make including GW:P, when prophecies was released they were developing factions and 6 months before factions was released they were developing CH:3 and ill bet 6 months before CH:3 is released 4 will be in the works.

Excellent point. I was reading down the thread thinking, "Somebody will post that it's not a 6-month game but a 6-month release schedule" and thanks to you for noting that. Also, thanks to the OP for keeping the point on the specific topic of players' accomplishments and not on concerns about quality; I think you've both done your homework.

I had a few people at E3 ask about the release schedule, thinking we were going to have 6-month development cycles. They expressed hesitation, even concerns, about what a dev team could produce in that amount of time. It was good to be able to explain that the devs have been hard at work on C3 for many months, and are, with the release of Factions, investing resources into C4 even now. These are full teams with an overview from several central team members to maintain continuity and a continued vision of the direction of Guild Wars.

I think you're going to love the look and feel and gameplay experience of C3! But you have several months to enjoy Factions, and from what we're hearing--and figures are showing--players are definitely having a blast!

Lord Iowerth

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Atlanta, GA (#guildwarsguru FTW!)

Biscuit Of Dewm [MEEP]

R/Mo

13 May 2006 at 18:10 - 22

Ch3 = Binky's Spelling Adventure?

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

13 May 2006 at 18:17 - 23

So tired of seeing people complain about how ANET isnt putting enough time and effort into their "expansions" compared to Prophecies. If you think real hard and try to remember what Prophecies was like at release, there were TONS of problems with it. It was only through constant tweaking throughout the year that it's the polished work that it is now.

Hell, those improvements also carried onto Factions. So please stop ranting about how bad Factions is compared to Prophecies. It's getting old.

Mandy Memory

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Xen of Sigils [XoO]

W/

13 May 2006 at 18:32 - 24

Is it just me...or should factions have came out earlier so we could already be playing ch3? (lol greed)

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

13 May 2006 at 18:45 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

Is it just me...or should factions have came out earlier so we could already be playing ch3? (lol greed)

I can see your point, as you know there was a one-year span (to the day) from the release of Prophecies to the release of Factions. However, it took us a year to get the system into place, and to staff up with the excellent team required to accomplish the twice-a-year program. From now on, it'll be every 6.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Iowerth

Ch3 = Binky's Spelling Adventure?

Well, I saw the sneak peek of C3, and I have to say, I saw no Binky anywhere!

Hmmmmm... C4?

avoll

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Iowa

Alpha HivE

W/R

13 May 2006 at 19:01 - 26

1 add on a year is Enuff
only people who have no job or no school or any thing else to do at all
will be able to keep up with 2 a year

I think by putting out 2 a year they are going to force people to choose one or the other

if they realE want to add some thing to the game
they should add more storage and more char slots
I know they are going to sell more char slots for 10 bucks each but when
im still waiting

and they have expert every thing else
why not expert storage
I would pay 100k for that

also will they be doing any free add on's with factions like they did with Prophecies
or is it going to be a pay every time for new add on's from here out

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

13 May 2006 at 19:48 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by avoll

I know they are going to sell more char slots for 10 bucks each but when
im still waiting

they said clearly sometime this summer so ir could be as late as September and still be summer.

Quajai

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Colorado

Jade

R/

13 May 2006 at 20:17 - 28

I'm just worried that these chapters will be watered down expansions. I already feel that with Factions. I was expecting some more original features and gameplay but it feels more like an expansion. I'm still enjoying it but I can't see playing it as much as I did Prophecies. If I don't see some good improvements I probably won't be buying Chapt 3 anyway.

UndeadRoadkill

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 May 2006 at 21:10 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I think you're going to love the look and feel and gameplay experience of C3!

Perhaps, but I'm sure all of ArenaNet thought everyone would love the faction-farming gameplay of C2, too.

BigTru

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

13 May 2006 at 22:03 - 30

Who ever said there was going to be new professions in every expansion pack???

CK0

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

13 May 2006 at 22:16 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Perhaps, but I'm sure all of ArenaNet thought everyone would love the faction-farming gameplay of C2, too.

hear hear-

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

and from what we're hearing--and figures are showing--players are definitely having a blast!

I guess that means the team has been avoiding the forums thus far. It is well known that those that enjoy the game aren't as expressive as those that are displeased. I guess they must be hearing it from somewhere else.

Figures don't necessarily mean complete enjoyment from everyone, obviously. I would say they are riding the success of GWP, and since some gameplay design/aspects of GWF are so different from GWP, you can be certain some are not too happy about the change. (ie. bonuses now ranked on how "speedy" you are - and some people recommend taking your time? )

I'm typing this reply, making sure that I choose my words correctly. It is not my intention to flame or scare you off, but these are my views that I must express. You must clearly know, that we have to "tip-toe" near your replies, or else we are in jeopardy of having our posts moderated or deleted all together.

I implore you, to not be blinded by the figures, and take some of the dear suggestions we have here to the development team. CH3's success (read: sales figures) depends on it, and surely a person in the company's business, not unlike yourself understands profit, if nothing else.

UndeadRoadkill

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 May 2006 at 22:22 - 32

Right, I'm playing Factions because of the other elements in it (straight from the Prophecies quest system). It's a shame that when I finish those, all that will be left is the new grind system that Factions introduced. I don't PvP, and I don't relish the thought of running supplies over and over and over.

awesome sauce

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

13 May 2006 at 22:42 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zakaria

LOL.. ANet give us break..we will not gonna catch our breaths like this, 6 months is too short in my opinion.

I know the feeling. I've played my ritualist for 15 hours and im still not off the starter island.

Although, I would still much prefer to have expansions as quickly as possible.

Also, it would be interesting to know the sales of GW:F and GW:P at this two week point in their release. I doubt GW:F is selling as well as GW:P did.

sir lockt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

The Netherlands

Lightning Strikes Twice

Mo/

15 May 2006 at 11:25 - 34

Yeah it will be a short period to do everything you wanna do, but I prefer not having everything ready on release than have to wait for new content, so I really like the schedule.

I am glad some points are made against ppl that says faction doesnt have quality. Just run the forum search and you will find 2 problems (on gameplay, you have the err 7 issue as well):
Alliance battles and Elite missions

Both are new concepts and I think the dev is working on it to polish it. Just as they have done with arena's in prophesies (I can remember several updates on that, both on rewards, as playabiltity and location) and with GvG. (I believe the lord got some updates and VoD as well)

Nice thing about GW is the technology behind it, that makes it possible to contineously stream updates to the users.

I am really looking forward to chapter 3 already, but first I dive in factions for some months

Rogier

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

[GoT]

15 May 2006 at 13:30 - 35

Anet is really smart.. instead of WoW which is (M=money) M=$12xmonths + $50 to buy, well then we get m=$12x12 for a whole year + buying it= $194
now we have GW, and offcourse you wanna stay with the newest version: 2x $50 =$100:12=$8.3 offcourse you're not forced to buy it but still, if you keep on buying (and i'm being cheap right now) you'll have an avarage of $8 a month, that's still not that much as WoW, but still a sort of monthly fee, and then we just have to wait and see if the versions will be as good as prophecies (in which factios has failed)

kaya

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

NBK

15 May 2006 at 15:43 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogier

Anet is really smart.. instead of WoW which is (M=money) M=$12xmonths + $50 to buy, well then we get m=$12x12 for a whole year + buying it= $194
now we have GW, and offcourse you wanna stay with the newest version: 2x $50 =$100:12=$8.3 offcourse you're not forced to buy it but still, if you keep on buying (and i'm being cheap right now) you'll have an avarage of $8 a month, that's still not that much as WoW, but still a sort of monthly fee, and then we just have to wait and see if the versions will be as good as prophecies (in which factios has failed)

In my opinion factions has not failed. It's not (imo) as good as prophecies, but it's still worth the $50 i paid for it. And that because i can play factions with prophecies. kudos to the team who produced theese games, and gl with the next ones. This game still tops my list of games, and the other ones that come close to it (ie: wow), i have to pay more for.

and going along with what you've said... if wow = $194 a year and gw = $100 a year, then wow = $16.16 and gw = $8.33 a month. That's almost half the price of wow. That's not even close to the same ammout of money out of pocket to play the game. And your forgetting to mention some key points like content. There is way more content in prophecies+factions then there is in wow (and you can't count the upcomming expansion to wow without adding the extra cost for it, which would bring your monthy our of pocket to around $19.00). ammount of content in a year of gw > wow. also server quality in gw > wow. (i dont think anyone can disagree with this). Also support, and adding features to a game in gw > wow. Hands down (in tearms of price) gw laps wow in a 2 lap race.

Cymboric Treewalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Imperial Palace - Cantha

[SFK] Sacred Forge Knights (founder)

Me/Mo

15 May 2006 at 15:55 - 37

Woah!

You are upset they are coming out so rapidly?

SO... if you played a traditional MMO like WoW you would be happy to pay $14.99 a month only to have new content every 1.5 years?

As long as ANET keeps the quality high I am all for every six months... this game has REDUCED my spending on games... cause its the only one I play anymore.

Excal

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

Ozone Guild [OzGw]

Mo/E

15 May 2006 at 17:00 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

work on Factions was started and announced on release of GW.

chapter 3 started with a completely independent team and was announced 6 months later and the latest news on chapter 3 is that it is on schedule for an ontime release this Oct/Nov with ONE YEARS WORK ON IT.

chapter 4 is/will be very soon started for a 2nd year anniversary launch by a completely separate team WITH ONE FULL YEAR of work.

Got proof?

guppy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/Me

16 May 2006 at 01:47 - 39

I think its already been established (without need of further proof as you call it) that each chapter has approximately 1 year of development from start to finish.

In fact, I believe Gaile even posted about that in this very thread

Just a few posts above!

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

16 May 2006 at 01:52 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Excal

Got proof?

yes.

i read the announcements when they said we have launched GW and are now working on chapter 2.

6 months later the startup of chapter 3 by a separate complete team was announced.

also check several recent dev chats for further confirmation

EDIT

ALEX WEEKES (NCSOFT)

Quote:

There's two dev teams at ArenaNet working on staggered 12 month schedules to give the 6 monthly release windows, as mentioned. C3 was started back in November, and is already advancing quite well.