Well recently effected by what appears to have been a guild sweep a few 'offensivly' named guilds including one i was a member of have been banned/locked w/e you want to call it. I'm just curious how many people here would deem the following names offensive:
Thanks ~ Wipe
What is offensive?
Dextus Ironheart
Shanaeri Rynale
Totally Stupid thing to do. Complete sense of humor failure. What were the tag names?
AN allow the use of a character that be can used as a swastika but when people want some fun with tag names they ban because a few people decide to moan and see things that are not there.
They probably thought Camel humpers promoted bestiality, trojan protectors wrote computer virus's and terrorists were going to suicide bomb AN headquarters.
The rank 56 guild I feel most sorry for, it must have taken hours of GvG to get there.
I've heard and seen several strange and basically anal decisons from all over the game. E.g people being banned for sitting in Amtaz with henchies, or running fish over and over in case they are bots, the whole wall of silence re elite missions and grind vs skill. It does'nt seem to be the same AN we all knew
Each instance of this demonstrates that AN is changing from developers who are fans of the game and community players into faceless suits only concerned with the next chapter and raking in more dollars
AN allow the use of a character that be can used as a swastika but when people want some fun with tag names they ban because a few people decide to moan and see things that are not there.
They probably thought Camel humpers promoted bestiality, trojan protectors wrote computer virus's and terrorists were going to suicide bomb AN headquarters.
The rank 56 guild I feel most sorry for, it must have taken hours of GvG to get there.
I've heard and seen several strange and basically anal decisons from all over the game. E.g people being banned for sitting in Amtaz with henchies, or running fish over and over in case they are bots, the whole wall of silence re elite missions and grind vs skill. It does'nt seem to be the same AN we all knew
Each instance of this demonstrates that AN is changing from developers who are fans of the game and community players into faceless suits only concerned with the next chapter and raking in more dollars
chessyang
#58 yes
#247 not really made me laught
643 oh ya...big time
http://www.plaync.com/us/help/roc_gw.html
item number 14 and 7 (right?)
#247 not really made me laught
643 oh ya...big time
http://www.plaync.com/us/help/roc_gw.html
item number 14 and 7 (right?)
Pevil Lihatuh
the terrorist one i can understand; whilst it personally doesn't offend me, its not exactly a smart thing to be joking about right now.
Either way, Anet unfortunately will have to do this; if they get complaints they're going to act on them. At the end of the day they either get a few disgruntled complaints from a few guild members, or they get some ridiculous court case against them because 'Osama Binladen' was allowed to run around in GW unchecked. They're covering their own backs.
Either way, Anet unfortunately will have to do this; if they get complaints they're going to act on them. At the end of the day they either get a few disgruntled complaints from a few guild members, or they get some ridiculous court case against them because 'Osama Binladen' was allowed to run around in GW unchecked. They're covering their own backs.
Eviance
I think the Trojan Protection could have been mistaken for something a little less PC but with as much virus protection >_>
#643 had to know that they would get in trouble for that name... It is deffinately offensive to the general public.
Crazy Camel Humpers.... Constantly reminded me of the song "walk like a Camel" (not sure if that was the actual name or not but whatever)... I do feel for them though because of their high rank ;_;
#643 had to know that they would get in trouble for that name... It is deffinately offensive to the general public.
Crazy Camel Humpers.... Constantly reminded me of the song "walk like a Camel" (not sure if that was the actual name or not but whatever)... I do feel for them though because of their high rank ;_;
UndeadRoadkill
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trojan protectors wrote computer virus's
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It's a reference to condoms.
Dzan
Camel "humper" (to use the less offensive term) is a racial epiphet and they deserved to be banned for that.
Cragz
People have to understand we live in an overly PC nanny state where offense can be, and frequently is taken over any silly little jibe. It's pathetic, but you have to protect yourself against hordes of care-bears by ensuring you project your online presence with as much punch as a cotton-wool ball. The guild owners must have seen this coming, especially when there are players being reported for as little as using the dance emote in close proximity to another's avatar.
Offensive? Don't make me laugh. Silly to expect to get away with it? Absolutely.
Offensive? Don't make me laugh. Silly to expect to get away with it? Absolutely.
UndeadRoadkill
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Camel "humper" (to use the less offensive term) is a racial epiphet and they deserved to be banned for that.
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The Trojan Protection Guild I thought was just silly and not really offensive. You'd probably have to be pretty uptight to have a problem with that one.
While I can appreciate the humor of being blatantly un-PC in The Federation of Active Terrorists, I guess I can understand why Anet would ban that one.
Loviatar
and they thought they were getting away with it.
Loch
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The swastika wasn't a symbol invented by Nazis. I don't know what language uses it, but it's a character in some legitimate alphabet.
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dargon
As for the comment about the swastika. Please remember that the swastika is a religious symbol that the Nazi party 'borrowed' for their own use. It's pretty much the oldest known symbol in the world, older than the egyptian use of the ankh.
http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swa...ikahistory.htm
Camel Humper's, well I'd consider it moderately offensive as there really is only 2 ways that name can be taken. One is downright nasty, and the other is racist and very offensive. The other two are fine IMO. I'm not the one that makes the call though.
Of course, you haven't shared with us the 'offensive' name of your guild.
http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swa...ikahistory.htm
Camel Humper's, well I'd consider it moderately offensive as there really is only 2 ways that name can be taken. One is downright nasty, and the other is racist and very offensive. The other two are fine IMO. I'm not the one that makes the call though.
Of course, you haven't shared with us the 'offensive' name of your guild.
Sir Mad
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On the other hand, I remember Gayle being asked about a guid with the swastika as a guild tag. She said she didn't find it offensive since it's also a hinduist symbol (and obviously this guild was more likely hinduist - yeah, of course...) so ANET won't do anything. But when you joke, you're banned.
Great!
EDIT - D'oh! 3 posts with the same example posted at the same time >.<
Eviance
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lol ignorance
The swastika wasn't a symbol invented by Nazis. I don't know what language uses it, but it's a character in some legitimate alphabet. lol conspiracy |
Str0b0
Offensiveness is subjective. Still I think what we have here is a judicious case of CYA. Don't blame ANet. Blame the litigious society we live in. All it would take is one goober parent seeing one of those names and deciding their little darling shouldn't be exposed to such filth and bam lawsuit. Even if ANet won such a suit the court costs alone would be devestating. All the names were borderline stupid anyway, well one of them went over the line and firmly into moron territory. My suggestion? Try to come up with a good guild name instead of slapping up some childish crap that is basically asking to get e-spanked.
UndeadRoadkill
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Originally Posted by Cragz
People have to understand we live in an overly PC nanny state where offense can be, and frequently is taken over any silly little jibe. It's pathetic, but you have to protect yourself against hordes of care-bears by ensuring you project your online presence with as much punch as a cotton-wool ball. The guild owners must have seen this coming, especially when there are players being reported for as little as using the dance emote in close proximity to another's avatar.
Offensive? Don't make me laugh. Silly to expect to get away with it? Absolutely. |
Sir Mad
Man, I lived in India: you can see this symbol everywhere there: that's pretty strange first, even if you know that it's NOT a nazi symbol, but you get quickly used to it.
But please, don't be hypocritical, you do know that in a game called guild wars, players using this symbol as a guild tag most likely refer to the nazi symbol that to a peace and love approach of hinduism...
But please, don't be hypocritical, you do know that in a game called guild wars, players using this symbol as a guild tag most likely refer to the nazi symbol that to a peace and love approach of hinduism...
Nominal_Fee
Americans have so many cool racial slurs. I once saw a guy who was crying because all his chars got banned and he didn't know why. It turned out that all of them had the word "Sambo" in them and the poor kid was unaware that "Sambo" is the 51249th way of saying "n****r".
UndeadRoadkill
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But please, don't be hypocritical, you do know that in a game called guild wars, players using this symbol as a guild tag most likely refer to the nazi symbol that to a peace and love approach of hinduism...
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There was a thread about this a while back, and it was closed pretty quickly.
Kakumei
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people being banned for sitting in Amtaz with henchies
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Tachyon
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Originally Posted by Dzan
Camel "humper" (to use the less offensive term) is a racial epiphet and they deserved to be banned for that.
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Sir Mad
Yes, you're right here, UndeadRoadkill. I had in mind european/american guilds. You definitly got a point, however I still believe a EU/US guild using this symbol are most likely refering to the nazi symbol.
But yeah, again you're right: let's not forget cultural difference, especially when we talk about this.
But yeah, again you're right: let's not forget cultural difference, especially when we talk about this.
Shanaeri Rynale
If you were talking about me, my guild is DVDF.
It does seem odd tho, that characters are given the option to rename if offensive but Guild's are'nt.
It does seem odd tho, that characters are given the option to rename if offensive but Guild's are'nt.
Loviatar
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All it would take is one goober parent seeing one of those names and deciding their little darling shouldn't be exposed to such filth and bam lawsuit..
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think it through.what if by a miracle they went to and won the championship under one of those names.
that would get much more views than just in game.
Dzan
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Hows that then? Are you saying that only desert dwelling folk are allowed to hump a camel if they so desire?
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MadOnion
TPG is fine with me, but the other two (given the meaning of the 1st one) deserve the ban.
Former Ruling
Oh will all of the people that are doing it PLEASE Shut Up about Nazis...That comparison is basically just yet another Western stereotype.
The Swastika was included in the non-english langauge sets because its a legitimate symbol. Just because one country that plays the game has an unfair and undereducated prejudice against the use of the symbol doesn't mean it shouldn't be included.
The Swastika was included in the non-english langauge sets because its a legitimate symbol. Just because one country that plays the game has an unfair and undereducated prejudice against the use of the symbol doesn't mean it shouldn't be included.
Omega X
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Oh will all of the people that are doing it PLEASE Shut Up about Nazis...That comparison is basically just yet another Western stereotype.
The Swastika was included in the non-english langauge sets because its a legitimate symbol. Just because one country that plays the game has an unfair and undereducated prejudice against the use of the symbol doesn't mean it shouldn't be included. |
If Anet want's a lawsuit, then sure add it. But if they want to keep making Guild Wars games then it is NOT in their best interest to add the Swastika.
Red
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Either way, Anet unfortunately will have to do this; if they get complaints they're going to act on them.
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Fist_of_God
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Camel "humper" (to use the less offensive term) is a racial epiphet and they deserved to be banned for that.
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IMHO, this was too harsh on these poor guys. I agree with the other poster about any kind of anti-semetic label, yes thats a very volatile subject, and should be dealt with accordingly, but common, Crazy Camel Humper..now thats just funny..I dun care who you are..its funny.(said with the cable guy voice) 
BTW, I am one of the afore mentioned humpers by ethnic backround, and it doesn't hurt my feelings at all or offend me.
Sincerely Yours,
A Towel Head.
Big_Iron
There's all this talk about Swastikas in this thread, but it's already been addressed in another and probably several others. I've seen it and it's not even a Nazi Swastika, though it does resemble one. It's a Korean character and is used by a Korean guild. Anet does not have Nazi Swastikas as an option for Guild tags in any language.
Bale_Shadowscar
Crazy Camel Humpers and The Terrorist one I can understand, and I think it was right for them to close it.
Trojan Protection Guild... Didn't need to be closed. They could easily have been talking about 'Trojan' as in 'The Trojan Horse' from the battle of Troy in Odysseus.
Trojan Protection Guild... Didn't need to be closed. They could easily have been talking about 'Trojan' as in 'The Trojan Horse' from the battle of Troy in Odysseus.
Mavrik
I only find the third one offensive.
Fist_of_God
Also, would like to add, if camels could read, they are the ones being bashed here..I mean common, they are sitting around thinking to themselves, "HMM..whats so wrong with adoring me?" 
Dextus Ironheart
When the guild crazy camel humpers was created not a single one of us even had a clue as to the racist terminology behind this name. The guild was created as a joke, i dunno to make people laugh when the message came up in halls etc 
and we know that worked for alot of people, we only even found out of the term when we googled our name after we were banned. Thus bringing up some links which were rather disturbing, would just like to appologise to anyone who was offended by the name.
Thanks ~ Wipe
and we know that worked for alot of people, we only even found out of the term when we googled our name after we were banned. Thus bringing up some links which were rather disturbing, would just like to appologise to anyone who was offended by the name. Thanks ~ Wipe
Mercury Angel
I apologize, but the consequences of letting these threads run their course, ie, the flaming of people with different opinions (basically, the war between people who find terms offensive, and those who don't), far outweight the benefits - none.
Anet is the one who banned the guilds, and only Anet can revoke them. If you have concerns, or wish to express your disagreement with their decisions, then send them support tickets;
http://support.plaync.com/
http://eu.guildwars.com/support/
You can have friends voice their opinions as well.
But here on the forums, there's little to nothing the player base can do for you, and a lot they shouldn't do, but do anyway. Every single topic about this kind of thing since the BWE's has broken into flaming.
As for a guild renaming feature (even if only used when the guild is sent into limbo), that's a different matter.
Anet is the one who banned the guilds, and only Anet can revoke them. If you have concerns, or wish to express your disagreement with their decisions, then send them support tickets;
http://support.plaync.com/
http://eu.guildwars.com/support/
You can have friends voice their opinions as well.
But here on the forums, there's little to nothing the player base can do for you, and a lot they shouldn't do, but do anyway. Every single topic about this kind of thing since the BWE's has broken into flaming.
As for a guild renaming feature (even if only used when the guild is sent into limbo), that's a different matter.