Henchmen - Concerning Rezzing - Something has to be done

Pyrea

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

The Outer Rim

Initiates of Maat

14 May 2006 at 09:25 - 1

Hi there

Okay, this is getting ridiculous!

Something has to be done about hench rezzing behaviour.

As you can see from photo, both hench monks are alive, yet no rezzing? I tried walking around a bit, letting them know that "x is dead" but still they have no clue.

Yes, I have my own rez signet but prefer to use that as a last rezort obviously if all hench have rez used up.

This is not a rant or a flame, just a request to pls do something soon as one cannot go through the game and enjoy it properly if you get this type of behaviour.

Anyway apart from that (and ahem a few other things) I think Factions is a great game

Chris1986

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Jersey

14 May 2006 at 12:12 - 2

It takes them a while, but they'll eventually res.

What annoys me is two of them will try to res you/whoever at the same time, and one cancels out the other.

Necrotic

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

The mists

Co-founder of Knights of the Phoenix

14 May 2006 at 12:16 - 3

I agree.....and it's not as though this is the only issue. It seems almost as if the hencies don't want to rez you unless they "feel" safe.

Ventius Hozza

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

London, UK

Powerpuff Boys [PUFF]

14 May 2006 at 12:30 - 4

I found that on the first island, the healer hench wont heal you but practically lets you die, then immediately resses, leaving the other 2 helpless.

On the main island, the henches dont res at all. Its crazy. Also, nerf healing touch on healer henches, it makes them overextend and get blown up...

Quantum Nirvana

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

California, USA

Mo/

14 May 2006 at 15:23 - 5

I've been trying to complete the Boreas Seabed mission with just henchies (yeah, yet another assassin who is banned from real PUG's). In this particular mission, they can be very annoying based on their rezzing preferences. Say I die and about 4 henchies including ritualist henchmen live. The rit. will prefer to rez the healer first over everyone else, no matter where the healer might have died (in this case the healer's always on the frontline, go figure

). The rit. will cast shelter KNOWING that it's going to be taking damage then goes ahead and uses flesh of my flesh. By the time the spell has been cast, the ritualist has about 25% health, then gets it halfed due to the spell. Both the healer and the rit die due to this, which is very retarded imo.

By the way, did I mention that on that particular time, I was the closest person to rez for the ritualist, and had rebirth? LOL. Great job Anet.

@ Ventius, I agree. They did in fact try to update the healer's use of skills, but I think they're just making it so difficult to use henchmen so we form real groups more often. If we're going to be forced into using only a single healer and no protection hench, then by all means give that hench Word of Healing at least!

Mahanaxar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Italy

Lupus Et Agnus

14 May 2006 at 17:26 - 6

And they don't use ress signets in combat if a human player has an hard ress.

Thrawn Foxheed

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

[WDS]

Mo/Me

14 May 2006 at 21:21 - 7

I want my Lina, can't we bring her over as a refugee or something

GranDeWun

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

14 May 2006 at 22:16 - 8

Even worse is the healer 'tanking'. In an extreme case: I engaged Jade Knights so that Talon and I had them blocked in a narrow passage. Healers should be safe, right? No! Jamei somehow gets between us and out in front of us!

Healing Touch & similar spells should be verboten for henches.

Rathcail

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

14 May 2006 at 22:31 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyrea

As you can see from photo, both hench monks are alive, yet no rezzing? I tried walking around a bit, letting them know that "x is dead" but still they have no clue. They will always res the ones who have res spells with them first, no matter what. In your case, they won't res anyone without res spells before they get Professor Gai up.

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

15 May 2006 at 00:59 - 10

Yes, I do find monk henchies trying to tank totally ridiculous. I always get a laugh when playing a melee character and silly Alicia, Jamei, Sister Tai or whoever is right there with me, trying to take the hits.

Henchy AI is totally retarded especially for the most critical profession, monk. They just have no sense of the enemy and will always try to get close to you. I've had occasions when the monk henchy actually goes in front of you in an attempt to get close to you and of course takes all the hits and waste her energy healing herself.

Henchies are plain retarded. They stand in AOE while the enemies run away.

I guess Anet made henchies dumber and weaker than monsters so you'd be better off with a PUG.

Lost

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Hell's Precipice

15 May 2006 at 01:00 - 11

Yet henchies seem to have no problem running two aggro bubbles away to resurrect some warrior that is being corpse guarded by 20 guys...

Rathcail

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

15 May 2006 at 01:36 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaglorD

They stand in AOE while the enemies run away. These days henchies run away from AOE too. Now if only they'd get a clue how standing in a lava is not the best thing for their health.

ShadowStorm

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Take me where I cannot stand.

The Better Part of Valor

W/N

15 May 2006 at 01:50 - 13

I've found a really easy way to get the monks to rez a character when they're just standing around doing nothing.

The command Control+Shift+Space will make the henchmen attack an enemy, but if you have the dead character selected when you do the command, the monks will stop doing whatever they were doing and res the dead character. Works like a charm everytime I try it.

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

15 May 2006 at 01:53 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rathcail

These days henchies run away from AOE too. Now if only they'd get a clue how standing in a lava is not the best thing for their health. I've seen Devona or Lukas continue to get hit with churling earth if I carry on attacking the enemy. I have to back off, then they'll break the attack and follow me.

Veron

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Leather Rebels [LR]

15 May 2006 at 01:58 - 15

You guys want a bad experience story? Last night, I cleared about half the undercity with henchies. I was on my to finishing Mayhem, and I walked under a bridge. Somehow those stupid henchies aggroed the afflicted group on top. They decided to stand there and try to fight. So I ended up running back to them and trying to fight. It ended up with everyone being killed except Zho and Sister Tai. Here the problem starts. Zho and Sister Tai are positioned so that the Afflicted can't kill them. Zho can't kill anybody. I call "___ is dead!" for about 10 minutes straight, and no rez. I walk away for half an hour, I come back, still no rez. I try calling "___ is dead!" for another 10 minutes and still no rez. So I gave up had zoned out. Sister Tai needs to be taken out back, tarred and feathered, shot, and thrown off a cliff. She always decides to rez in the middle of a battle and let someone die, but she can't for the life of her rez someone when you call it.

Pyrea

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

The Outer Rim

Initiates of Maat

15 May 2006 at 02:05 - 16

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

15 May 2006 at 02:39 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veron

Rathcail

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

15 May 2006 at 04:13 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaglorD

I've seen Devona or Lukas continue to get hit with churling earth if I carry on attacking the enemy. I have to back off, then they'll break the attack and follow me. I haven't observed much the behaviour of melee henchies. I tend to hang back with the other casters and they usually are a bit faster to move away from aoe than I am when we get hit.
Guess the melees don't want to give up their target as easily then.

Indian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

[SWIM]/[HooD]/[RFE]

Me/

15 May 2006 at 04:18 - 19

Warrior Henchies = neva seen resing
healer/prot henchies = waaaaaaay toooo slooooww
necros = beest henchies so far to res somehow

idk why but necros seems to be quickest n fastest rezzer for me, if its warrior henchieit just keeps fighting

sai987

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Hunter's Association (HxH)

Me/E

15 May 2006 at 04:25 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyrea

One funny thing I noticed recently is that on the Kurzick side, Danika and Redemptor Karl are in most cases very good monks but on the Luxon side Sister Tai and Seaguard Gita are completely crap!

Sister Tai in my opinion is a lamo and should be dragged down to the market square, bound, gagged, drawn, quartered, shot, drowned, poisoned, stabbed and then served up as carrion fodder!!! Imo, the luxon npcs are wayyy better. They even have an interrupt henchman. The real problem though is the healer. Danika is probably the worst computer controlled healer ever created for guildwars. She doesn't heal and I've never seen her res. Not to mention she uses devine intervension and purge signet. Give us Mhelo as a henchman I say.

As for henches resing, they almost always res me first, even if healer is dead, prolly cause I have flesh of my flesh on me. This reasults in another problem. It has happened to me quite often that the last living henchman decides as his last act to use a res signet on me, leaving me alone among tons of monsters, which means 15% more dp than I should have gotten.

MaglorD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

15 May 2006 at 05:28 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by sai987

Imo, the luxon npcs are wayyy better. They even have an interrupt henchman. The real problem though is the healer. Danika is probably the worst computer controlled healer ever created for guildwars. She doesn't heal and I've never seen her res. Not to mention she uses devine intervension and purge signet. Give us Mhelo as a henchman I say.

As for henches resing, they almost always res me first, even if healer is dead, prolly cause I have flesh of my flesh on me. This reasults in another problem. It has happened to me quite often that the last living henchman decides as his last act to use a res signet on me, leaving me alone among tons of monsters, which means 15% more dp than I should have gotten. Kurzick have interrupt mesmer, so how is Luxon better? For precision interrupting, mesmer is still better than ranger, especially now that they kinda slowed down the henchy interrupts.

Sab

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

15 May 2006 at 07:44 - 22

Ugh, here's what just happened. There were two enemy casters casting all sorts of crap on me. I died due to the incompetence of the healer hench (something well discussed), and lay on the ground waiting to be ressed. Sadly, since my body was just outside of aggro range, the henchies all withdrew from battle and stood around me without engaging the enemies. However, the enemy casters were just within spellcasting range, so they continued to cast. The henchies didn't respond. They just stood there, around my body, tanking the hits. The healer hench healed whenever someone was low on health, that was about all they did for five minutes. I expected a res...but no, they were stuck in an infinite loop. Brilliant...

A??rendil

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

WotU

R/Rt

15 May 2006 at 07:52 - 23

yes they are brainless

Angel Develin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Lions Arch

Minions of Kronos

N/Me

15 May 2006 at 10:32 - 24

uuuhhh,
So now ppl want henche to start ressing and not healing the rest of the group when fighting?
I think that there were a lot of ppl asking for henches NOT to ress when every 1 is fighting.
I think that its better this way the rest of the group can fight and get healing and when the fight is over they start to ress, this works great for me.
By the time that the monk has ress 1 back while fighting 2 others are dead for not getting healing so it does not work better that way IMO.
AI for henche is much better now they use the right skills on the right time, and cyn is very handy this days.

A??rendil

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

WotU

R/Rt

15 May 2006 at 10:39 - 25

yes but haven't you noticed that with monks/rt will ress the same person? That it sometimes takes >1 minute (extreme) before they begin with a res? THat is kinda annoying.

Zero Red

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

16 May 2006 at 02:21 - 26

I think the henchman need to res more often out of combat with resurrection chant and less often in combat. All of the henchman have the skill resurrection signet, so why do they decide not to use it until everyone is dead. Honestly, something needs to be done here. Plus, the spirit henchman seems to have a very high tendency to cast Weapon of Warding on the fighter henchman regardless of the fact the shock henchman right next to him is getting chopped to pieces by a jade knight. What is up with this?

felinette

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Girl Power [GP]

Me/

16 May 2006 at 03:15 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veron

Had a very similar experience last night in the city. Ran into one of those "Jade Brotherhood wipes out most of party with two dragon stomps" deals. I'm lying dead, with four henchies alive. They've killed the Jade Brotherhood mob, but on the ROOF of a nearby building is another mob. The henchies try to attack these guys. They can't whittle them down. Meanwhile, I'm lying there spamming "<name> is dead." No luck. This went on for about ten minutes, until, somehow, they noticed I was dead and rezzed me. Next time I'll try the Ctrl-Shift-Space trick someone mentioned.

Quote:

Danika is probably the worst computer controlled healer ever created for guildwars. She doesn't heal and I've never seen her res. Not to mention she uses devine intervension and purge signet. Give us Mhelo as a henchman I say. Actually, I find Danika and Protector Karl to be a good team. My mesmer has been henching all of the forest quests without much of a problem. She's having a much easier time than she did in the city with Sister Tai.

KillerCreation

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

Deadly Night Crew

N/Mo

16 May 2006 at 07:45 - 28

One of my biggest problems is that they rez in the middle of battle and don't heal and just build up your dp. Either that or they get stuck somewhere and you got to map out.

Well, the warriors know how to find their way home at least.

Wraparound

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Cleveland, OH

Mo/E

16 May 2006 at 15:50 - 29

I like how when you're waiting to be rezzed by a hench and you're right on the edge of an aggro bubble and the healer starts pacing back and forth, back and forth....lol

At least Sometimes they try not to trigger the aggro.

Draxx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

England Baby!

16 May 2006 at 16:07 - 30

YES

YES... A THOSAND TIMES YES!

I am extremely happy... UBER happy if you will, that someone has brpught this up, it is stupid, and unless you are a

Ritualist
Or
Monk

You will not get Rez'd Until almost the very end when everyone else is up, as party leader you should take priority over everyone aside from other healers/rezers.

/Signed

/Signed My ASS OFF!

Joh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Sweden

Lucid Dreams [LD]

21 May 2006 at 00:34 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyrea

I agree with you totally. I'm actually waiting for a res right now, looking for a thread to flame in. She doesn't give a crap if I'm taking damage, I even ran around with about 50 hp for a while around her, trying to avoid the hits from enemies a good while, when they finally got me, in the middle of a huge fight. First thing she does is hit Resurrection Chant. So, when there are a few monsters left, I die again due to lack of healing. Talon and Panaku finishes off the last monsters, and now she's constantly healing since a couple of Kappa are in range to use Rust and Mind Freeze, but down a ledge so henches can't attack.

They lose like 10 hp and she heals, instead of resing me. So now I've waited for a res for about 10 minutes, hoping that she'll finally die, so I can get her to tank again and not heal, and hopefully reach an outpost and leave her behind. Never to use her again unless something gets done. I mean, most people complain at Alesia, but atleast she healed.

/Totally signed

edit: Ohh, and on a side note; shouldn't /resign work if all real players used it? Cause it's waiting for henches to type /resign too.....

Relnor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

21 May 2006 at 00:40 - 32

All I read is the title...

AMEN!

I was doing some quests and spent about 5 min in between each major battle for the henchies to rez...

metalone

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

21 May 2006 at 07:57 - 33

Yea sister tai has to be the WORST hench healer ever concieved. Danika is ok when she doesnt just sit there healing the mm's minions while 3 guys in the team are dead on the ground waiting for a rez ROFL. I think they made the factions henchies far worse then prophecies henchies to force people to play together hahha

samifly

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Girl Power [GP]

Mo/Me

21 May 2006 at 08:23 - 34

Domination hench = Interrupt. Without that lovely dazed applied to a warrior

. The best combo is both, which is only at unwaking waters.

samifly

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Girl Power [GP]

Mo/Me

21 May 2006 at 08:26 - 35

IMO - there should be a "res" henchmen, which I was hoping would be the rit, but they seem to like to use healing spells instead of ressing.

hanwinting

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

in Guild Wars lol

EDB(Elite Dragon Bane)

21 May 2006 at 09:27 - 36

hench healers = dumbasses