Make me an offer - About trading morons

I guess I'm not much of a seller. I usually just sell things well below going price to get rid of them fast or sometimes just give things away to help others out. It's actually really fun to go places like Ascalon and give some new players nice weapons to help them out.

"How much?"
"Make me an offer."

My typical response: "No, I asked you first. How much?"

Either they give me a price, or they try to find another easy mark.

I tell people to make an offer whenever A: I dont know how much whatever I am selling is worth or B: I dont care as long as I get enough to make my standing still worth it. (Like 3k for a gold max item with nice mods)

Some people also have to remember that it's not a crime to offer under the standard price or ask above the standard price.

And, I'm sorry, but 95% of the people who get ripped off by not knowing the value of something (we're not including more organized scams), do it to themselves. There are a number of places on the internet that offer suggested prices, and unless you know absolutely no one in the game, there's gotta be someone you can ask. Hell, ask for a price check in a public channel. Just don't assume that you're getting a good deal, then find out later you way overpaid, and blame the guy who sold it to you. He's being entrepreneurial, you're just being stupid.

Tell me, would you go to a car lot and pay whatever the salesman there asked? No, you'd research it.

"another mark" eh ? you see this is a great example of why i wont play that game anymore. everyone thinks everyone else is a friggin idiot.

buyers will always bid half price to buy, sellers bid double to sell .. can we just dispense with the BS and quit wasting each others time ?

its hilarious ... i ask for a price, get a silly smart arse reply when im asked to "make an offer" .. gee, im sorry, was i supposed to overbid just to not get called a noob ? yeah, that'll happen

between that and the assinie farmer bots with the "everything starts at 100K u buy" bullsquat, its become unbearable.. and yet its unavoidable cause we cant get them into the friggin trade channel where they belong !!

I think I've only done the "make an offer" thing once, it was for a brohn's staff a long time ago. Usually they went for 55k or something like that, but I just wanted to get rid of it, and really didn't want to give it to the "1k for unwanted greens" guy. So, I haggled with a guy for a while and got to a price of somewhere around 28.5k, accepted, and moved on. I noticed that he turned right back around and was trying to sell it for 45k, I just laughed went to go do something else. 2 days later, I came back to the place I sold it to him at, and he was still at it. 3 more days later, I saw the same guy in Droks this time, still trying to sell it. After that I didn't deal with greens anymore, and traded my razorstone for a willcrusher. I moved on to only dealing with junk sales to the merchant, much faster.

Now, I don't buy greens or golds from anybody. I sometimes will buy an occasional mod or something if it's what I need for my collector weapon. I still get those guys that say "make an offer", so I start at 1-5k, which is the max I'll pay for a mod, and get flamed occasionally. I usually respond back by saying, "Well, how much is it then?" and if I get outrageous prices (like 20k for a +5 energy staff head), I just laugh and go on my way. Not really worth my time if they want up to a 100k for a mod.

This is bull. I ask them to make me an offer becuz Im not trading expert. I couldnt tell you the price of a weapon to save myself.

Actually, the only thing more infuriating than "make me an offer" is "can I see it?"

Me: WTS 15^50 Gold Vampiric 3:1 FELLBLADE of Fortitude +30, 75k
Idiot: Can I see it?
Me: Why do you you need to see it? I just told you everything about it.
Idiot: I want to see it the mods.
Me: I told you the mods, are you interested in buying it or not?
Idiot: No I can't afford 75k
Me: ...

@Lets Get to Healing

maybe you could ask your guild


@Dzan

lol! I know that and I HATE those people.

lol, i saw too many peoples doing that now a day. They want to do "window shopping" by looking at the item than telling you later that they don't have enough golds for it.

I was in kaening center, and had the reverse happen.
Them: "Selling a great monk staff come look!"
Them: "At least make me feel like im not wasting my time."
Them: "Selling rare gold monk staff come see!"
Them: "Whatever happened to window shoppers?"

Right then I woulda sold it just to get rid of it,XD

I refuse to buy anything over 30k most items in the game are so over priced. I've seen just about every High end item there is and it's all the same IMO. Right now i'm using the auctions here at GWG and i'll sell the same exact item as someone else for lower.Why cause i'm tired of all the price hikers.I'm one of "MANY" who are working to get the prices back to a limit so everyone can afford them.Some might say then i'll never get any good items, wrong i've gotten several items from UW and FoW that i've farmed or bought for less than or 30k.

I wish half the people in the auction would read this. It blows my mind how some people are asking 200K for a normal skin (ie not fellblade or crystalline) for a 15>50 sword with at most 25-50K of mods on it.


Usually when a person is selling and they don't make an offer I'll ask them one. If it's way too high I'll just ignore them. 100K + 25 ectos for a clean weapon ain't worth it to me when I can get a 15>50 katana for 5K plus mats. If it's close to reasonable I'll make a counter offer. My threoy is if it's outrageously high they're just out to make a quick buck and aren't worth bothering with. Now if you offer me a good sword (clean or poor mods) for about 5K-10K, I'll be interested.


edit:
Same here.

usually asking

"how much do you value it at? if its fair, i'll pay that."

is enough to pull a number from someone with an intention to sell.

if the seller still refuses to give up a number, then just low ball since they either have no idea of the market price, or wasn't in a hurry to sell.

I think it should be a reportable, offense. They clearly stated make me an offer. Not make me an offer between xx gold and an insane amount of gold and if I do not like your offer, I'll flame you into oblivion.

Now I do think they can refuse the offer, but they didn't say make me an ofer, but I may refuse it with flames. Either way it's the flame part that they should be banned for.

Normal, sane, rational, well people like me anyway, would just counter the offer.

Me: Make an offer
You: 1k
Me: 3k
You: 2k
Me: Ok.

Notice there were no flames in that exchange. Unfortunatly, for some odd unexplained reason, they allow children and AOL on the Internet.

Bargaining is totally acceptable, half the time the person bargaining really just wants to dump whatever it is they are selling. They want the best price they can get quickly, so they ask for offers and accept the best one or bargain a bit.

Price setting isn't a science and there is no real authority (I'm an economist I know), so you aren't going to lose much by talking to someone and providing an offer. The worst that can happen is what happened in this thread... simply laugh at them and tell them that you aren't guildtrade.

i absolutely hate selling stuff- only time ill ever hit town and shop is when a) i want something specific right now or b) im busy working on the drunkard title (often while sippin some of grandpas old cough medicine behind the comp myself).

what i do though, is when i need to merch items, ill hit LA or droks dist 1 and read a bit and look for WTB. i store items i wont personally use but are too good to merch on another account ... which i leave running in the guild hall on the other comp. if i see someone looking for an item ive got, ill say "hey, i got one for "x" price" and if they want it, ill jump over to the hall and trade it to the char im using. way i think of it is that ill eventually sell it on MY time and not have to spam all day.

i do get a kick out of some people tho. i personally have trouble selling 15^50s for 3 to 10k depending on the req, but yet i constantly see "WTS 14^50 "x" for only 50k!" my newest pet peeve is the people who try to sell unIDed gold armors for 4 to 5k now. EVERY time i hit droks, i see one or two of these guys. i mean, isnt it pretty common knowledge that rune prices are crap now? this biggest "score" is sup vigor and thats only 25k or so.

Usually when I'm selling an item and asking for an offer, it's not an item that I want to bother hunting down a price for. I'll generally take the first half-decent offer I get. Every now and then, I do get someone who offers 50K when I'd gladly have accepted half that.

That said, it's annoying to post that you're taking offers and get a response back saying 'how much'. Tough noogies, I'll find someone else. I don't mind you lowballing me (as long as it's not too stupid an offer) as long as you're open to haggling.

And window shoppers are icky.

I don't mind people saying "make me an offer" if they aren't jerks if I give them a they aren't willing to sell it for. However, that's the nature of online video games. Not everyone is (or at least acts like) an adult. It falls on you with either deal with it or not deal with them.

If I was to sell something that way, I'd do as others would "Make me an offer, no response means no thanks." As noted, there are a lot of rude buyers out there too.

Part of this is Guildwars fault. I get halfway through haggling and i get excessive messages a bunch of times. and by the time i get to do this he has already sold it or he has thought i gave up and left.

my favorite reply is "how about no"

If you want a set price, you ALWAYS have to advertise at about a 10-20% markup. Like saying "WTS This for 80k" when you really only want...65-70k.

This is because everyone will try to talk you down from the price you list (They think its your max price, and haggle from there). So you always list alittle higher than you actually want. The side effect of this is you get angry PMs from people that say its not worth the higher price you are advertising it at...

Anytime you DONT put a price in your message, you ALWAYS get cruddy low offers from people trying to make a buck (buy low sell high).

Example: I was selling a Pommel of Fortitude when they were at their height. I tryed selling it without listed prices, got offers everywhere from a couple of purples, to a few k (highest offer was like 50k). Listed it as 100k (which was cheaper than anyone else was selling it for there) and got offers usually from 70-90k. One such person offered 90k...when they were clearly already spam selling one in the All Chat channel for 100k+7ectos (example of price markup trading).

@ Cybah
not everyone in the game can give PCs. Usually make me an offer is better. This doesnt make you a trading moron. Prices r so effed up these days.

*sigh* The ones I hate is when you are trying to sell and no one is interested in haggling. I go by what other people tell me something is worth. Since I'm not all about the gold, and have never had a load of trouble getting the cash for my 15k armour, I only ever bother to sell greens and golds in order to make just a touch more than the trader will give me for it. I honestly don't want to stand around for hours trying to find someone, so when I say I'm negotiable, I really DO mean negotiable. I'm sure I've sold some things for way more than they're worth and others for way less. However the point is that all I want is to get them out of my storage for more than the trader is willing to give me, yet when you mention a base price (and that you're negotiable) people say I saw xx selling for $$ I'll buy it from them. The majority of the time I'm MORE THAN WILLING to beat xx price, yet no one has yet to say, can you beat this price

Trading is horribly not fun for me so I generally just sell to the first buyer I can find for whatever they'll pay me. For example, I just sold some 15>50 req 8 daggers for 10k. Money is actually not an issue thanks to actually playing the game and never investing in vanity skins.

I agree 150% with you!! Finally...someone who has the EXACT same thought as I do on this issue. I cannot stand (and will not play) the "let's see if you can cut your own throat game" with idiot sellers.

If you ASK ME to make an offer, regardless of what the offer I end up making is, DON'T act all offended when it is not what you had in mind. Heh...what I always do when asked "make offer" is either offer 10 gold or just tell 'em to name a freakin' price.

People are so worried that they might have been offered more than they even had in mind to get. This game is NOT like most other MMO or MMORPG's where "he with the mostest" wins.

Sellers....if you want to sell something....then state your price. This "make offer" crap is for the birds. But if you insist on this idiotic practice then don't get all huffy when the offer is as big of a joke as what you are asking in the first place.

Yeah, lately, I've been a victim of Nub lowballers buy-sell traders ingame -_-

The problem w/ 99% of the trades in GW is that NOBODY CARES TO FRICKIN READ! or more so they don't know how to read complete sentences and info has to be spoonfed to them by phrases. I always sell for a set amount unless I know I can get higher, in which I put "Pm offers", if it has a higher bid then I put the c'o.

My typical sale:

me: WTS Perfect Death Wailing staff!*stats* = 75k!
Nub Necro trader: How much?
me: 75k
Nub Necro trader: Let me see *sends invite*
*Trade is initiated*
Nub Necro Trader: How much?
me: *irritated* 75k
Nub Necro Trader: OMG, too much!
me: Offer?
Nub Necro Trader: 30k
me: Nt bye!
Nub Necro Trader: how much you want for it?
me: 75k
Nub Necro Trader: 53k final offer

and ofcourse:

me: WTS _________!
Nub: Offer?
me: I'm selling
Nub: yeah, offer?
me: um, I'm supposed to be asking you that, buyer offers prices and sellers set them.
Nub: Nub trader no you dont! can't even make a trader, w/e nub

*note that the grammar of the Nub has been photoshopped to look much better than it actually was*

Safe to say he didn't get the staff. I dont mind lowballing as I frequently do it, but I never offer more than 10k less than trader selling price, usually I bid 5k lower and its up to seller to decide whether to or not, as I usually let buyers who offer the same get away w/ it as well. I swear, I have no Idea what kind of people who make up the majority of GW, I'd like to see some of these guys in real life just to see just how they actually function in real life.. more amazingly, how they actually survive and get by.

Right now, I'm kinda irritated w/ the influx of nubs who seem to have just discovered Power Trading. Too many people ignore the SET PRICE CLEARLY STATED IN THE SALE >:| in favor of maybe the seller will change his mind if I ask for the price again even though its there.

OH my GOD, its even worse when you buy stuff.

ME: WTB _______
Nub: Offer?
ME: well, I prefer trader set their prices, so it'll be fair
Nub: lol, just give me an offer
ME: 500g, now whats your price
Nub: *silence* 10k! *this is a common item*

Also this girl I met in game who's selling a tallshield purple +25hp she was selling for close to 30k. After some negotiating, I ended up telling her its not worth it cause I can craft a bronze shield +30hp -5dmg 20% for 5k. She then proceeding to slam me and called me noob cause there is no such crafter -_-; I told her to go to kaening center in factions to check it out. She stated that she has factions and no shield exist at crafters *insert more name calling*. I ended up not responding to her message. Like I said, I'd like to see how these people get by w/ their lives.

Asking for traders/sellers to be upfront and honest is like asking a monkey to do some quick trigonometry: not gonna happen, as i'm sure we're all very aware. Occasionally you run into a nice and courteous trader, but as for all the rest of them, this is what I do:

Seller: "WTS Zealous bow string! no n00b offerz !!11!!"
Me: "How much do you want?"
Seller: "Make offer"
Me: "2k ok?" <--hehe
Seller: "OMG what a n00b, etc etc"
Me: "How about a nice pulsating growth? Maybe you can replace your brain with it, it would be an upgrade"

seller: "wts req 8 vertebreaker, with +15dmg"

me: "how much you ask for it"

seller: "you must see this, now i come and show you this item"

me: "i don't need to see it, just want hear how much you ask for it"

[he still runs to me and opens a trading session]

seller: "offer"

me: "i want to hear your price for it"

seller: "I am not a supermarket!" "I don't set prices, i sell items!!!"

[trading session was canceled, and seller runs away]

Ah, I have a different attitude. A really good deal is one where both traders have the feeling they made a good deal.

Set prices are all fine and well, and I appreciate the PC lists. But for some stuff no price lists exist. So, if I ask you for an offer, I ask you how much you value the item. A good, though not final, weapon will save you time. What's that worth to you? And no, I don't rip new players off, I several times cut their offers down if they were way off base.
A reliable way to piss me off is to make an unrealistic, ridiculous low offer. Then you don't take me serious, so get lost...

If I start with a price this forms another haggling pattern. Almost everybody asumes this is my maximum price + x and routinely distracts a discount.
So I have 2 choices: eather I sell for a set price, no haggling, or this is about how much can you reduce my price (so I obviously tweak x). But its no longer about how much is the item worth to you...

When dealing many people obviously fear they may lose an advantage, if they have to disclose their offer first.

Aye. I've pretty much given up on acquiring anything through the trade channel. Now if people would actually use it so I didn't have to put up with their spam on local.

I aways start with 100k +50 ectos and then they are like sure ... Then I'm like ah ok 7k it is ... Come on you who want to sell, This is not No Haggle Pricing everything has a Value how much you want for it and how much I will pay you for it. And if you don't tell me your starting point I will manipulate you and then you will walk away sore! I learned from the master Silent Bob!

But the biggest problem is with trader's (who do know the value of things) vs casual player that plays 1-2 hours a day that not in the "trader" scene. When they want a perfect mod, for example and don't know the price, when offer's to low the "Go away Noob" response that causes the problem. If a trader would give a price range (which defeats the purpose of give a bid) to educate things would be much better.

Once a trade house / auction is in place, it would be easy for the masses to find out "average" price to things and help stablize prices across the board.

Information headstart is always the problem, no matter what trading ruleset you use. The "pro" trader will always win out here, the best the amateur can achieve is a "fair" deal.
But a range doesn't work. If I tell you 5-8k you will take 5k and haggle from there. If we auctioned the item with competitive bids then maybe this might work as min offer and buyout.

Don't bet on it. WoW auction houses may make prices more transparent, but for a casual player this is still just a small facet of the big picture. You need a plugin (auctioneer, which takes a lot of additional memory on low end systems) to track prices. The auction house there just displays current auctions (however lunatic), but not the deals actually closed, or prices achieved.

Ahh ha ha ha ha ha ha

Wait, I'm not done holding my sides.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Do you think A.Net cares about you or your auction house?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Give it up man. No auction house is coming, ever.

*Reluctantly agrees*