Buying Gold cheating?

I stumbled on a site that sells gold and then after Googling it found loads of sites doing the same. Imagine 300k for a smallish fee the things you could buy would be quite unacheavable for a new charcter.But is this cheating and is it safe to buy from them. They use Paypal as form of payment so your safe in that respect but still aint it cheating?

Yes...

It is 'cheating' and lame

Yea but you risk getting your account banned if u do this

its cheating if you havnt already completed the game and dont know much. if you can make tons of gold but dont have the time any more i do not consider it cheating. if caught you will be banned though. when anet introduce items worth thousands of ectos the only way to raise it is to ebay it. there are a few which can buy who have not ebayed but they would lose a vast amount of their wealth. you will find most the extremely wealthy DID ebay but i wont name names. everyone knows who they are anyway

all the in eula thingy u clicked accpeted to (who the hell reads these neways) says u cant sell items and account crap for real money or sumfing like that in the contract sumwhere...

1. It's not cheating (technically it isn't...)
2. You'll get banned if you do it
3. You'll get good karma if you report it to ANet.

Of course its cheating.

Not to mention really lazy, a waste of RL cash and more to the point fuels the bot farming industry that i'm sure everyone hates and is ruining a number of aspects of our wonderful game.

When playing Monopoly you stun your friends by going out to eBay and buying up crazy amounts of Monopoly money (300k Monopoly money for $10). Now it doesn't hurt your friends that you did this since all the money in the original Monopoly game is still there. But, wouldn't it feel like cheating to you to be sitting behind mounds of Monopoly money you'd bought off eBay while everyone else is trying to play within the context of the game?

I wouldn't call it "cheating" in the sense of having an unfair advantage.

Since anyone can amass a vast a gold and good items if they farm for long enough.

Buying gold is against the rules however, and if found out it will get you banned.

People who buy gold may often be the ones however who don't have the time to farm the game 8 hours a day for gold and items.

All gold sellers say you are paying for the time taken to collect the gold, which I guess is true.

It still doesn't make it right, don't buy gold.

When did ANet release items worth thousands of ectos? Only item 'worth ectos' is the armor from FoW, all other are 'omg rare skin I'll pay thousand ectors for it just because of the skin'... Just as minipets and such

Whatever these other guys are saying...

When you get caught, you get banned.

It's not "if" you get caught, but a "when".
There's no way around it, ANet is allmighty. But it is evil, it will let you bathe in the gold until your skin turns green. And then, when you're about to tell everyone you're the king of the world, the sword drops.

Your money will be gone(in-game gold), your money will be gone(bought the account), your money will be gone(ebaygold).

Is it worth it?

Only if you want to lose.

by making the drop rate for certain items really low the price of them increases. if only one item in the game people will want it and get into a bidding war. a 15>50 dwarven sold for 1200 ectos. why because everyone who had wealth wanted a unique item which noone else had. the person who won it was a well known user of ebay, suprise suprise.

anet recently increased the drop rare of perfect stat items. an example of this is a +30 always -2stance eternal once they sold for 4.5 million now barely 800k.

to claim that anet are not responsible for the prices which people pay for items is rubbish. notice how before when items were uber rare people paid tons, the second the drop rate is increased the prices fall.

therefore anet through having once made certain items be incredibly rare to the point of only 1 perfect one existing caused people to get into bidding wars and usually those who won the items were ebayers.

anet dont force people into paying what they do but by making items where there is only one of them people will do whatever they can to buy them and if it means ebaying they will do it.

anyway who wants to farm all day when you can go work for two hours and buy it. people have lives and those that do i think there is not a problem with using it


anet have tried to prevent the need for ebaying through causing the drop rate of perfect items to increase. you can buy shield for 100k now which before would have cost millions.

Heh... Yeah "When", i know a friend who buys at least 500K a month, sad i know. But hes been doing it for several months, and has never recieved any emails or warnings about it. Lucky i guess.

Im not sure how Anet find out about these ebayers, i certainly am not going to grass on him, but i do look upon him as a bit of a cheat..

Im under no circumstances saying anything positive about ebay gold buying, but i certainly do think its very hit and miss for Anet trying to catch people.

I do hope you have statistics to back this up. All of the wealthy players that I know (myself included) have gotten wealthy by farming, and buying low/ selling high. WE DO NOT EBAY!

Don't buy gold off EBAY. It only encourages bots and sweat shop farmers.

But, I do not think buying from EBAY is against the EULA. If I remeber correctly, it says that you can't SELL game items for real money. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but buying is not against the rules. Only selling.

Either way, DON"T DO IT!

i guess you consider a stack of ectos is rich lol. im not talking about people with a million as that isnt rich. a million is chump change im talking about people with 10million plus. very very few people are able to amass such amounts fairly. i know some who have but most of the uber rich i know have some dirty secrets. i have statistics but i sure as hell wont say names or what they did as after the rr incident tons of people got banned. there are very few incredibly wealthy people who i do not know of btw so i know what im talking about.

im not saying massing a few million is impossible as there was a time when i could make 200k a day from minimal work but incidenets such as that are rare. my best i think is 450k in 3 or 4 days from a few nice trades. but in reality people with 10 million or more didnt farm it, maybe some power traded it when it was good but even then it was hard.

im not being ignorant saying most of the rediculously wealthy do but its a sad fact. you can deny it all you like as guru doesnt have any info on it. it is mentioned alot in-game however... just go look at some of the people on there who at one point were spending a million a day. im sure they farm those drok trolls for their gold lol.

Hmm, im not sure if it is or isn't. I know selling is strictly against the EULA, but im not sure if the transaction fo goods, by that i mean the seller selling, and the buyer buying, are two different legal issues.

So if a seller sells gold, he bas broken the EULA, but the buyer isn't taken into account. Meh im not sure, its not too clear.

Number One rule: If it's not an in game option it has to be illegal.

Fiery, so you think voice-communication is cheating in PvP ?

I don't worry so much about whether it is legal or illegal (probably I should).

Instead, I think that shortcuts like this (or the practice in Prophecies of paying to have a mission run) defeat the purpose of the game and - in the end - make it less fun to play.

I remember - back when I played more console games - using cheat codes for a god mode.

Almostly invariably, the game lost all appeal after that.

Games are more fun when they are difficult, when they provide a challenge. I get puzzled over why people want the shortcuts - why play the game at all if you don't enjoy the challenge?

My opinions is that its more of a "Gamer's Code". You don't use aimbots, you don't buy gold, etc. Your reputation as a true gamer vanishes the second you purchase wealth/skill online.

While I agree, I think Herbalizer said it best, people know they can farm up the money themselves, it just takes time, and playing the game > farming so they justify "rushing" their gold stack by saying, well I could get it myself, I just dont have alot of time to do it.

I imagine there are many ways to justify buying the gold, and ANet must be torn on what to do because by bannign people they are hurting themselves in a lot of ways. They dont want to remove people from the GW world, but they must remove abusers and people who WILL ruin this game by inflating prices. ANet has said they take the economy of the game very seriously.

Well Fiery, according to that rule, Using the restroom is illegal.

Well, I guees I'd better break the law, then...

And GwG would be illegal...

Hell. Reporting scammers would be illegal too. that would suck.

Because people will call you noob, when the game is difficult for you.
They don't call you noob when you are filthy rich

Getting really, really drunk however, is not illegal. Neither is random killing.

Truth is, that - if you play long enough - people will call you a noob. Many of those name callers would have to improve their skills greatly to reach the level of a noob, smile.

(I guess what you're saying is the same as this in real life: If you're poor and odd, you're crazy. If you're rich and odd, you're eccentric).

Now accepting all unwanted ecto and shards. lol

i see it this way buying gold is illegal, it sucks and makes me extremely pissed
that some fidiot can just swipe a card and have an instant fortune in game. i try to farm but it does not work so well anymore as most runs have been nerfed or tards invite you saying farm then go chest running in some obscure region of the game, let you die, wait for the reserve time to go away then steal your item.

I'm not really sure why someone would even buy Guild Wars gold. It's not like you need that much of it to get the best gear and such, statwise that is. Sure the collector's long sword might look like hideous piece of crap, but it gets the work done if you have the skills.
Suppose it's just the looks then, wanting to have something to show to poor newbies. Showing off to compensate the lack of skill perhaps?

When people buy gold, they are surging the economy with gold which means demand increases and inflation occurs so for your average joe (moi) it becomes increasingly difficult to buy exclusive items. That is partly why we see (saw) items sell for hundreds of ectos. It is very easy for Arenanet/NCSoft to identify where these transactions take place because they can track large fund transfers which are moreso suspicious if it is a one-way trade. Also, they can use a mole to buy gold and track who is selling it in-game and cancel the accounts.

'Cheating' is a funny word to use for it and because gold doesn't give you an advantage over others - technically speaking that is.

From an ethical point of view it can be seen either way:
1) It encourages the exploitation of chinese kids who farm the gold or
2) It generates employment for some chinese kids.

I'd recommend against it because once you buy a cool weapon or Fissure armour, its a novelty for 5 minutes then it wears off. You realize that the fun part is the farming and the build up towards earning it.

Some notes:

1. Buying/selling in game items for real money violates the EULA.
2. You can perfectly well have optimal gear for your character simply by plain the game. Unlike many other similar games, GW allows access to the best equipment to anyone who simply plays the game. Moreover, you can get optimal equipment playing the game as you prefer: You can only do pvp and unlock all mods/skills you want by playing pvp only, you can play PvE only, you can trade only, farm only etc. The game is very flexible and I am very pleased with that.
So, in terms of enjoying game play and being competitive, you don't have any need of buying gold. If you pvp, you can unlock everything by simply playing. If you like pve, you can get collectors/crafters items or common greens for very low prices.
There's a reason that FoW or 15k armors have the exact same stats as 1.5k ones: The game is designed to allow people to be competitive without farming for ages, hoping to be super lucky with drops, or start thinking about buying items /gold for real money.
That being said, there are of course people who:
Buy accounts with pvp ranking
Buy gold to make FoW amor/buy super rares etc

Especially in a game like GW, I find it stupid to start with. It's useless and it actually removes game pleasure.

There is no argument here.
Exchanging any in-game item for real world money is against the rules, therefore it is cheating.
There is no grey area. Both parties are guilty of cheating.
Those of you that do it can hem and haw all you want and come up with excuses and reasons for doing it. The fact remains the same...it is cheating.

and what Makosi said

it only wastes your money. what you buy with it will lose its meaning to you eventually. without a reason to earn your own items you'll grow bored of the game sooner. You will end up having burnt out your satisfaction for guildwars (or any other game you buy gold for) sooner than if you had just played it normally, and then you'll have to go out and find a new game that will interest you.

I think it can be considered cheating by some people who have the time to sit at the computer for hours to farm and make money necessary for the things they want to buy in game. But if you don't have the time (perhaps you are a professional in real life and can't afford to commit the time necessary to play long hours for your in-game money) I don't consider it cheating.

If I decided I wanted to buy in-game money with real money who is a.net to say I can't. I bought their game and they made thier money off me. Even if I bought in-game money I would still play for months as there is so much to do and experience in the game.

If I bought in game money and got my account disabled I would start a law suit. I didn't buy the game and played for months to have my account disabled. Thats makes all the time I invested in playing and the money I spent for the game a waste. I think a.net should consider other options like selling in-game money themselves or busting you back to a level 5 if you get caught.

I don't support buying in-game money but if I wanted to I should be subject to having my membership canceled. The only reason a.net can cancel is because there is no monthly fee for playing.

I don't think its cheating. I thinks its taking a short cut and cheating yourself out of the experience of playing much like paying a runner in-game. You don't cheat others you cheat yourself. Don't cheat yourself unless you completed the game and experienced everything the game has to offer with at least one character.

Again, I don't believe that you should buy gold off EBAY or from anywhere else. But all the people saying that it is illegal to buy it or that your account will be banned, read the the bold type at the end.

7. OFFICIAL SERVICE

Guild Wars is designed for official play only as offered through the Service by NC Interactive at the Web Site and not through any other means. You further agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which Guild Wars may be played by others, as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for Guild Wars, except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure. You may not sell or auction any Guild Wars accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so.


This is a direct quote from the EULA. It says nothing about buying, although they should add it. And if that is what they meant by "nor may you assist others in doing so.", then why wouldn't they just say "buy"?

that would explain how all those people who have spent thousands of dollars have got away with it. ive never actually heard of someone being banned for buying only selling. that always did puzzle me but now it seems my question has been answered

I agree. Well said.

Just like the legal stuff before a movie. I've only seen it say "You can not reproduce or distribute" the movie. It never says that you can't possess an illegal copy.

The reason why it's considered cheating is that it gives people with money in RL an edge that others who perhaps don't have the money do have. The key difference here is that it brings in an outside influence. It's that outside influence that throws the in-game economy out of wack (although we can debate to what degree).

Not everyone has time to get tons of gold. The system as it stands means that people who have less time to earn money have less money than those who have more time (with the notable exception of the market savy people who have figured out how to use the system to their advantage to get the best bang for their buck). In a way, people with lives outside of GW aren't able to get the same things as someone who has more time. Those with more time have the advantage over those that don't, and those that buy ebay gold have an advantage over those that don't. I really can't say one is more *fair* than the other, EULA aside (and please read the next paragraph before going off on me).

*However* it doesn't take much gold to be on level ground with people who do have more gold - you can get great armor for fairly cheap overall, I'd be very hard pressed to believe someone couldn't afford 1.5k armor if they tried, even with little time to play. I didn't even TRY to get money, and my 1.5k has always been easy to get. I've gotten all my weapons from drops, chests, or friends.

15k armor for example is a different story, but you don't NEED 15k to level the playing field - it's only cosmetic. It's there so you can say, "I earned my 15k armor and now I look cool." But it doesn't give an ADVANTAGE - 1.5k armor will give you the *exact same benefits*. 15k is one reward for the people who really DO work hard for it, because frankly, if everyone could afford it easily, it wouldn't have the same meaning. There wouldn't be pride in it.

To get what you *need* to get through the game, you can get it just from playing, so there's really no need to buy gold from outside sources.

As for people with 10 million gold or something, either way, bought or earned, people like that need to get outside and get some sun or something. :P That's overkill. And at the end of the day, what does it mean? Ohhh I have 10 million gold on a video game, now my life is complete. :: eyeroll ::

BAM

Call it cheating if youd like, the benefit is incredibly small. The very few people who get an advantage over looking cool are probably spending all of their time pvping, so they spend real money to get fake money.

Internet Fee (Cable): $49.99 a month
One copy of Guild Wars: Factions: $49.99
300k on ebay: $21.99
Getting banned by A-Net for spending real money on useless crap: Priceless

Like everyone said, getting golds take a while for some (like me i don't played that much per week) But for those who wanted this advantage they would go to ebay and buy these golds for different real money. For $20 or $30 dollars, you can get around 300k or more and use it to get all the items (15k armors, runes, dyes..etc) within the game.