Hi everyone. I have been getting black screen crashes ever since I started playing GW. When I first got it and installed it, I was on a NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440 graphics card, and on 252MB RAM. So I went out and bought more RAM to make it up to 768MB, and a new NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT graphics card. Same problem. My specs are as follows:
Windows XP (sp2)
AMD Duron 1.31Ghz processor
VIA KM266 chipset
768MB DDR-RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT
The question I have was just about installing the graphics card. My old one did not need it's own power supply, its just plugged in to the AGP slot. The new one however does need it's own. I was looking for a spare power thing coming out of the PSU but there were none, so what I did was unplug the power from my CD burner and put it into a splitter, and ran one end of the splitter into the burner and the other into the graphics card. Is that okay? I have a diagram of what it now looks like:
Note: The number of wires have been halved to make drawing easier.
Can someone help me?
Installing a new graphics card
tenira
Principa Discordia
If you have one free to do so, try giving the 6600GT its own clean lead from the PSU to the molex connector. This actually solved a lot of problems with a friend's PC one time.
Also, what driver version are you using for graphics? Recent Nvidia ForceWares have caused crashing and anomalies in Guild Wars, most people here would reccommend v71.89 which you should be able to find at this website.
Also, what driver version are you using for graphics? Recent Nvidia ForceWares have caused crashing and anomalies in Guild Wars, most people here would reccommend v71.89 which you should be able to find at this website.
tenira
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calendae
It shouldn't matter as long as your not doing really heavy graphics related stuff while burning. Somthing else people commonly overlook it the amount of wattage a power supply provides. I'd suggest you check and see, and if its anything less then 350W buy a new one. There not that expencive, and it may be a good way for you to get more connections. Also, heat may be a problem for you. Look for a program called SpeedFan, its a free temp monitor for windows. High heat can cause you more problems then you would really realize.
Edit: HAHAHA, Sorry, didn't see the 400W deal there. I'd check heat then, more fans may be your solution.
Edit: HAHAHA, Sorry, didn't see the 400W deal there. I'd check heat then, more fans may be your solution.
tenira
Thanks so much for that info, any advise is appreciated. LOL I only added that 400w thing in at the last moment while I was drawing it. I'm going to download that program too, because the techs asked me for the temperature, and it couldn't give it to me on my card... So yes, thanks so much!
I haven't been able to do the graphics thing yet, because I'm running Prime95, and it's supposed to run for 8 hours straight so... Tomorrow I'll reply to everyone's suggestions.
I haven't been able to do the graphics thing yet, because I'm running Prime95, and it's supposed to run for 8 hours straight so... Tomorrow I'll reply to everyone's suggestions.
Razored
Splitting isn't really a problem, if you don't mess up the harness. 9800's come with a splitting harness, and it hasn't interfered with anything on my system.
Algren Cole
how does one go about getting 252mb of ram without an onboard video card?
Loviatar
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how does one go about getting 252mb of ram without an onboard video card?
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also the 6600gt is not that power hungry a card
it might still be the power supply is it is a cheap one that came with the case.
the tip off as to quality is they limited the power plugs to only supply 2 devices which screams low output intended especially if it is more than a year old
Jelloblimp
So why a cd-reader & a cd burner?
(If your cd-burner is old & cant read fast get a dvd-burner which are really cheap nowadays, cant figure out any other reason to have both).
(If your cd-burner is old & cant read fast get a dvd-burner which are really cheap nowadays, cant figure out any other reason to have both).
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So why a cd-reader & a cd burner?
(If your cd-burner is old & cant read fast get a dvd-burner which are really cheap nowadays, cant figure out any other reason to have both). |
calendae
I just got an awsome DVD Burner on Newegg for $50. DVD Burners are comeing down in price, as is single layer media.
If you really want to find out if a power supply is cheap (aka. sucks), get a PS Load (sometimes called a tester) and a DMM (Digital Multi Meter) and make sure your getting the correct voltages under a strained load. The motherboard onboard sensors arn't always exact, and it dones't always stress a power supply. Also, its a cheap way to show off how much of a nerd you are to others.
Lastly, never ever ever forget about heat. Heat is death for computers, and any electronics. I can't stress how bad a hot computer can really make everything run poorly.
If you really want to find out if a power supply is cheap (aka. sucks), get a PS Load (sometimes called a tester) and a DMM (Digital Multi Meter) and make sure your getting the correct voltages under a strained load. The motherboard onboard sensors arn't always exact, and it dones't always stress a power supply. Also, its a cheap way to show off how much of a nerd you are to others.
Lastly, never ever ever forget about heat. Heat is death for computers, and any electronics. I can't stress how bad a hot computer can really make everything run poorly.
Rayea
tenira, can you get hold of a spliter?
we use them a lot at work, when there are flashy systems with lots of lighted fans, power using vid cards and at least 2 hard drives and 2 cd drives
you can get ones that add one extra power part here, and im sure that you can get others that will add more than 1 or 2.
this might help if you were wanting to re-arange the cables to give the vid card its own power.
what about a PCI fan? we get asked about them sometimes, and its just that the boss cant get them from his normal suppliers that stops him getting one.
you could pop it in the slot just below the vid card and help to keep its backside cool as well
we use them a lot at work, when there are flashy systems with lots of lighted fans, power using vid cards and at least 2 hard drives and 2 cd drives
you can get ones that add one extra power part here, and im sure that you can get others that will add more than 1 or 2.
this might help if you were wanting to re-arange the cables to give the vid card its own power.
what about a PCI fan? we get asked about them sometimes, and its just that the boss cant get them from his normal suppliers that stops him getting one.
you could pop it in the slot just below the vid card and help to keep its backside cool as well
calendae
He already has the power going to it. Its just his power supply may nor may not beable to handle the load. And PCI Fans are not that great. They take up a lot of room, block air flow, and move a vary small amount of air. I'd stay away from them.
tenira
Oh GOD so much to reply to! Okay here goes.
Yes, sorry... All I know is that the new one wwas like 516 or something and it adds up to 768.
On the side of the PSU it says 'Pentium IV & PFC 400w'. It supplies power to my CD-Rom, CD nurner, floppy drive, graphics card, motherboard, and something else under the floppy drive which is where the power button is... ? LOL
I don't even use the cd bunrer anymore. Does that mean I can somehow remove the power supply from that to free up more power?
I have downloaded that SpeedFan program but haben't tested it out yet, so when I install it I should be able to see what the temperatures are like. I read on their webiste however that you have to know which sensor is which, and I don't think I will be able to tell...
What am I using the splitter for? The power coming out of the PSU is like a big bunch of wires, there isn't a place to split the power from it unless it's from another device, and I didn't know if I could use the splitter they supplied to split power from the CD-ROM or not, so I chose the CD burner because it was like last in the series if you know what I mean, LOL sorry.
When I plugged my graphics card in, the fan was facing downwards anyway, kind of like it was upside down, because that was the only way the pins would align with the AGP slot. Also, that slot is the topmost so I couldn't position a fan above the card. If I was to buy a fan, how do they install in your computer? What about water cooling?
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calendae
The PCI fan he was refering to is different then the onboard fan on your video card.
Water cooling is good if you really want to invest that much time and money into your system. You have to water proof your mother board, and all you add-on cards (ie. video card, sound card, ect.). Then theres the water tank you need, the prossessor cooling block, and a bunch of other stuff. Basicly the only reason to water cool is if you spent $4000 on a bunch of high end stuff, and are planning to over clock all of it. If your temp is too high, look for more 80mm case fans. Or look to relpace the ones you have with better ones. The higher the CFM on a case fan the better, but it also gets louder the higher you go.
As for Speedfan, usually the highest temp is the prossessor. Aslo you don't want any temp to be over 50 degrees C. And even then people will tell you thats too high. My personal computers all run from around 32 to 40. So yeah, I hope my rambalings here help you.
Water cooling is good if you really want to invest that much time and money into your system. You have to water proof your mother board, and all you add-on cards (ie. video card, sound card, ect.). Then theres the water tank you need, the prossessor cooling block, and a bunch of other stuff. Basicly the only reason to water cool is if you spent $4000 on a bunch of high end stuff, and are planning to over clock all of it. If your temp is too high, look for more 80mm case fans. Or look to relpace the ones you have with better ones. The higher the CFM on a case fan the better, but it also gets louder the higher you go.
As for Speedfan, usually the highest temp is the prossessor. Aslo you don't want any temp to be over 50 degrees C. And even then people will tell you thats too high. My personal computers all run from around 32 to 40. So yeah, I hope my rambalings here help you.
tenira
Yes lol! It found four sensors, and basically I narrowed it down to sensor 2 being the graphics card, and it runs at something like 56-58 degrees C, but when I put a housefan into the side of the computer (as the tech support people suggested) it stays around 48 degrees C. Also, there was another sensor (number 3) which for some reason stays at 81 degrees C or at 82 degrees C, and thats like REALLY HIGH. I don't know where it is, but yeah... It could be faulty, because I turned off the computer and left it off for laround 20 minutes, but with the house fan still on, and after I started it up again, it still said 81C whereas the others were much lower. What do you think?
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As for Speedfan, usually the highest temp is the prossessor. Aslo you don't want any temp to be over 50 degrees C. And even then people will tell you thats too high. My personal computers all run from around 32 to 40. So yeah, I hope my rambalings here help you.
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And if I start Guild Wars, it goes up to around 65°
Rayea
ahem....calendae, HE is a femail *refering to herself*
tenira, the spliter is a little peice of cable that attaches on one end to the power cables that go into your hard drive or cd drive, and at its other end, gives you another or two other power out ends to go into cd or hard drive.
the sensor thats reading in the high eightys, *sounds* like its under your heatsink, and between that and the prosessor chip. the reason its still hot is cause the heatsink is holding that heat probably.
ok, have you got more than one drive for cd/dvd ect?
if you have, and you want to, yeah, you can get rid of the cd r drive, simply take off the power cable and unplug the grey (or black, or whatever shade yours has) ribon from the back and then its not there anymore for your PC
the house fan is a great idea i have one here with me now, sitting near my pc and its faning not only my machine, but the backwash of air is keeping ME cool as well 
(acording to some magasine i read, cause i have a fan next to my pc, im an overclocker heheh....guess they dont know theres such a thing as a paranoid PC owner that just want to keep her pc cool, and has no idea how to overclock thingy)
tenira, the spliter is a little peice of cable that attaches on one end to the power cables that go into your hard drive or cd drive, and at its other end, gives you another or two other power out ends to go into cd or hard drive.
the sensor thats reading in the high eightys, *sounds* like its under your heatsink, and between that and the prosessor chip. the reason its still hot is cause the heatsink is holding that heat probably.
ok, have you got more than one drive for cd/dvd ect?
if you have, and you want to, yeah, you can get rid of the cd r drive, simply take off the power cable and unplug the grey (or black, or whatever shade yours has) ribon from the back and then its not there anymore for your PC
the house fan is a great idea
i have one here with me now, sitting near my pc and its faning not only my machine, but the backwash of air is keeping ME cool as well (acording to some magasine i read, cause i have a fan next to my pc, im an overclocker heheh....guess they dont know theres such a thing as a paranoid PC owner that just want to keep her pc cool, and has no idea how to overclock thingy)
tenira
LOL! So basically, what did you want me to do with the splitter? Because I used the one which was included with my graphics card to split the power from the CD-ROM to both the burner and the graphics card. *Points to diagram* :P
Thanks for everyone's help so far, I swear in the past week after reading this forum I've learnt so much about computers. Especially the fact that mines crap and is going to die any minute now. And the WORST thing has happened... Not only is it black screen crashing in Guild Wars, but it's done it once in Rise Of Nations! That never used to happen, and it's not like Rise Of Nations is a graphically intensive game.
I swear, I'm so depressed over this. I worked 32 hours at Coles (Aussie version of Walmart, but like groceries only :P) to buy this game, then because it didn't work I invested in more RAM and a new graphics card, and it STILL doesn't work... All I wanted was to play the gaaame! Waaa! LOL And I'm also broke.
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I swear, I'm so depressed over this. I worked 32 hours at Coles (Aussie version of Walmart, but like groceries only :P) to buy this game, then because it didn't work I invested in more RAM and a new graphics card, and it STILL doesn't work... All I wanted was to play the gaaame! Waaa! LOL And I'm also broke.
Rayea
ok, ok, dot go off the deep end
take deep breaths....thats it
now then. your case, tour power supply and drives ect are ok.
how long have you had the system?
are you a every day after work 4-6 hours a night person?
do you actually turn off the machine when your not using it?
(yeah, daft questions, and sure, i didnt look that much at the diagrams, i tend not to ^^)
it could be your hard drive, or mainboard thats causing your trouble. in which case, yeah, i know, its more cash. i know exactly how you feel, i have upgraded myself only to find it was board or hdd.
on the up side, your memory, case, vid card and drives are ok, which means all yu need to do is work out if its the hdd or the board.
if you have a spare hdd, or can borrow a spare off a friend, try that. if that cures it (constant play on as many games that it crashed on to test) then all you need is the hdd, if it still crashes, then check the board and chip
take deep breaths....thats it
now then. your case, tour power supply and drives ect are ok.
how long have you had the system?
are you a every day after work 4-6 hours a night person?
do you actually turn off the machine when your not using it?
(yeah, daft questions, and sure, i didnt look that much at the diagrams, i tend not to ^^)
it could be your hard drive, or mainboard thats causing your trouble. in which case, yeah, i know, its more cash. i know exactly how you feel, i have upgraded myself only to find it was board or hdd.
on the up side, your memory, case, vid card and drives are ok, which means all yu need to do is work out if its the hdd or the board.
if you have a spare hdd, or can borrow a spare off a friend, try that. if that cures it (constant play on as many games that it crashed on to test) then all you need is the hdd, if it still crashes, then check the board and chip
tenira
I know I'm sorry lol, I so want to play this game... Okay.
We first bought the computer 5 - if not more - years ago. It has since been 'upgraded', thoough I have no idea what they actually did. I'm not very good at hardware things, it's only now I've actually opened up my computer and seen what's in there LOL.
The processor is AMD Duron, so that's old. Motherboard has not been replaced since we bought it (which is why I bought the AGP version of the new graphics card).
I have two hard drives, one is like 8.6GB (the original one, shows how long ago we bought it) and the other one is new, 20GB. OMG I just realised that I didn't create a partition on the other hard drive when I formatted Windows! No wonder it shows up as only having a capacity of 20GB... Well anyway, the hard drive it is using is the newer one. So - do I have to reinstall the game on the other drive or something, and see what happens?
We first bought the computer 5 - if not more - years ago. It has since been 'upgraded', thoough I have no idea what they actually did. I'm not very good at hardware things, it's only now I've actually opened up my computer and seen what's in there LOL.
The processor is AMD Duron, so that's old. Motherboard has not been replaced since we bought it (which is why I bought the AGP version of the new graphics card).
I have two hard drives, one is like 8.6GB (the original one, shows how long ago we bought it) and the other one is new, 20GB. OMG I just realised that I didn't create a partition on the other hard drive when I formatted Windows! No wonder it shows up as only having a capacity of 20GB... Well anyway, the hard drive it is using is the newer one. So - do I have to reinstall the game on the other drive or something, and see what happens?
Rayea
ok, how new is the 20gig hdd?
which version of windows are you using, and...sorry, but yeah, your old duron is probably giving you advance warning of soon-to-be-deddedness
at 5 years.....WHOA!!
your very lucky that your board is still working
(uh-oh i get it, they updated yer board when they upgraded)
so....if your on win xp (as everyone but me seems to be lol) and your drive is bigger than 20gig but smaller than about 120gig, then your ok with the partition thing.
advice is....start saving for a newer mainboard and chip, at least you have ddr memeory
sugest ether an AMD althlon about 2000, since you may be able to get them where you are in oz, or if possible, a newer AMD Sempron, about a 2400. those are what we sell in the shop, and if a 2400 semp can do great things for sims2 with tones of downloads addedd you get the picture
which version of windows are you using, and...sorry, but yeah, your old duron is probably giving you advance warning of soon-to-be-deddedness
at 5 years.....WHOA!!
your very lucky that your board is still working
(uh-oh i get it, they updated yer board when they upgraded)so....if your on win xp (as everyone but me seems to be lol) and your drive is bigger than 20gig but smaller than about 120gig, then your ok with the partition thing.
advice is....start saving for a newer mainboard and chip, at least you have ddr memeory
sugest ether an AMD althlon about 2000, since you may be able to get them where you are in oz, or if possible, a newer AMD Sempron, about a 2400. those are what we sell in the shop, and if a 2400 semp can do great things for sims2 with tones of downloads addedd you get the picture
tenira
We got it upgraded like... Last year some time.
I'm don't think they upgraded anything apart from perhaps my old graphics card and the new hard drive. It wasn't like a HUGE mega overhaul thing, like maybe US$100.
I will start saving for a new motherboard, the guy in the shop said that too when I bought the graphics card, however he said I will have to get it within the next 6-12 months, because they are phasing out the AGP slots, and I've just gone and bought an AGP graphics card. ARGH!
Thanks for your help though, I've tried so much, and at the moment I'm installing new chipset drivers and then I'm going to tweak my RAM timings to see if that helps. I don't believe Rise Of Nations is crashing now too!!!! WHAT HAVE I DONE!?!?!?!?!!
I'm don't think they upgraded anything apart from perhaps my old graphics card and the new hard drive. It wasn't like a HUGE mega overhaul thing, like maybe US$100.
I will start saving for a new motherboard, the guy in the shop said that too when I bought the graphics card, however he said I will have to get it within the next 6-12 months, because they are phasing out the AGP slots, and I've just gone and bought an AGP graphics card. ARGH!
Thanks for your help though, I've tried so much, and at the moment I'm installing new chipset drivers and then I'm going to tweak my RAM timings to see if that helps. I don't believe Rise Of Nations is crashing now too!!!! WHAT HAVE I DONE!?!?!?!?!!
calendae
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ahem....calendae, HE is a femail *refering to herself*
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tenira, if you are able, and you think you can. I'd suggest build yourself a new computer. Its not hard at all, and if you get the parts off of newegg.com you can build a decent machine for not too much. I'd say around $500 and you got yourself a much better computer going on. Or if you want to stick with what you've already bought, then a new Motherboard Processor combo is something to think about. The AMD Semprons (I know I'll get flamed for this) are accually a good processor to work with. I got a 3100+ and Gygabyte motherbord going, and was able to just it up to 2.25GHz on air cooling. Though most people will want to leave it at its stock 1.8GHz, because my computer sounds like a jet engien.
It cost me about $250 for the borad and processor. Somthing to think about.Also, AGP is going out. But the hardware that uses PCI-X is still the newest and greatest out there. If you do a upgread like i suggested, it should last you a good while. PCI-X is really great, but its also expencive still if you want anything good out of it.
tenira
I know AGP is going out, which is why I have to get a new mtherboard anyway soon so that it will be compatible with the graphics card I just bought LOL! *Sigh* They don't differ in price at all here in Australia, in fact my AGP graphics card was $4 more expensive.
I will see what tech support say before I upgrade anything more, because I've already spent SO MUCH already hahahaha! But yes, I will keep in mind your suggestion, because eventually I'lll have to do it. Is that newegg.com only US?
I will see what tech support say before I upgrade anything more, because I've already spent SO MUCH already hahahaha! But yes, I will keep in mind your suggestion, because eventually I'lll have to do it. Is that newegg.com only US?
calendae
I think they ship over seas, but I may be wrong. And with the shipping costs it may be better if you find a more local option. But without over seas shipping there one of the cheapest hardware retailers I know. Hell they may still be worth it for some stuff even with the over seas shipping.
Edit: Dang, they don't ship outside of the US. Sorry man.
Edit: Dang, they don't ship outside of the US. Sorry man.
Rayea
tenira, agp is only going out in the big-back-wad states of the good ole USA :P
here, we have just this last 2 months started to get hold of the pci express vid cards and mainboards
(west yorkshire, UK)
not worries, calendae *grins* as a girl gamer, i guess i should be used to it by now ^^
and no flames over Semprons ether. i work prety much exclusively with ether 2400-3000 semprons, or for the spenders, the 3000-3800 AMD 64 chips at work.
about the PCI-X cards.....for you in Oz, just dont bother unless you want to play everquest2 *grins* with it not looking like a reject from Spyro the Dragon (this is according to a friend that spent almost 2k in total to get his machine up to speck for the game, only to have his sata hdd's and mainboard hate each other and need to get a different board altgether cause his board was a strange beta edition)
we can still get hold of PCI old version vid cards, but that is what area of graphics cards that are winding down over hear.this year, i have only built one machine that had a pci-x card in it, and the lady that bought it wanted the gods *deleated* for a system, so spent the extra cash on the better versions of stuff.
to predict, i will say that over here in the UK, the pci-x card will take hold sometime in the next year or two, but the agp will be about for another 2-3 years, just like the pci-old was.
so, tenira, unless you wanna play doom3 aswell, at full tilt and maxed graphics, dont bother buying. specialy since you only updated last year.
best way to keep your machine working and you happy, i will say, is just to upgrade the mainboard and chip. it will be cheaper in the long run, considering that you would ned a whole new vid card if you went the way of pci-x
yeah, in the big picture version, it would be best to upgrade now to the latest stuff, but hey, that big pic, its usually seen best from USA, where they have big stuff all the time :P
and if your like me, then a machine like mine will last you for the 2-3 years that the pci-x cards will need to become household names round here.
here, we have just this last 2 months started to get hold of the pci express vid cards and mainboards
(west yorkshire, UK)
not worries, calendae *grins* as a girl gamer, i guess i should be used to it by now ^^
and no flames over Semprons ether. i work prety much exclusively with ether 2400-3000 semprons, or for the spenders, the 3000-3800 AMD 64 chips at work.
about the PCI-X cards.....for you in Oz, just dont bother unless you want to play everquest2 *grins* with it not looking like a reject from Spyro the Dragon (this is according to a friend that spent almost 2k in total to get his machine up to speck for the game, only to have his sata hdd's and mainboard hate each other and need to get a different board altgether cause his board was a strange beta edition)
we can still get hold of PCI old version vid cards, but that is what area of graphics cards that are winding down over hear.this year, i have only built one machine that had a pci-x card in it, and the lady that bought it wanted the gods *deleated* for a system, so spent the extra cash on the better versions of stuff.
to predict, i will say that over here in the UK, the pci-x card will take hold sometime in the next year or two, but the agp will be about for another 2-3 years, just like the pci-old was.
so, tenira, unless you wanna play doom3 aswell, at full tilt and maxed graphics, dont bother buying. specialy since you only updated last year.
best way to keep your machine working and you happy, i will say, is just to upgrade the mainboard and chip. it will be cheaper in the long run, considering that you would ned a whole new vid card if you went the way of pci-x
yeah, in the big picture version, it would be best to upgrade now to the latest stuff, but hey, that big pic, its usually seen best from USA, where they have big stuff all the time :P
and if your like me, then a machine like mine will last you for the 2-3 years that the pci-x cards will need to become household names round here.
calendae
Yeah, PCI-X is easier to get here, but its still way to expencive. And honestly, if you can find a Radon 9800 anything and it'll do almost everything there is out there. The only thing I know of that will really kill AGP is going to be Unreal 3. And that won't be for a while still. I myself still run a 9800se that I picked up for like $100, then I unlocked the extra pipelines, and now it thinks its a 9800Pro. So its not nessisary to worry about the next and greatest if the stuff you want it for will run just as well on old hardware.
tenira
Hahaha, from what you guys are saying, it sounds like Australia is ahead of the US and the UK (hard to believe I know). They guy at the computer shop I got my NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT AGP card from said that they were phasing out AGP motherboards like right now, and after 12 months there wouldn't be any left! They sell everything in PCI-X. They didn't even show the AGP one on shelves, I had to ask for it!
Does performance on Guild Wars differ when you use an AGP card versus when you use a PCI-X card?
So all I need to do is get a new motherboard. In your opinion (because everyone here is like an expert, SO COOL!) which would be the best choice given my other hardware components? And what exactly is sata? Is it Serial ATA? What does it mean? And hdd is hard drive i'm assuming?
Does performance on Guild Wars differ when you use an AGP card versus when you use a PCI-X card?
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not worries, calendae *grins* as a girl gamer, i guess i should be used to it by now ^^ and no flames over Semprons ether. i work prety much exclusively with ether 2400-3000 semprons, or for the spenders, the 3000-3800 AMD 64 chips at work. about the PCI-X cards.....for you in Oz, just dont bother unless you want to play everquest2 *grins* with it not looking like a reject from Spyro the Dragon (this is according to a friend that spent almost 2k in total to get his machine up to speck for the game, only to have his sata hdd's and mainboard hate each other and need to get a different board altgether cause his board was a strange beta edition) |
Rayea
yup, sata is serial ata
ok, then, check with stores other than the guy you bought your card from and see if they say the same thing about phasing out the AGP. if at least 8 out of 10 stores say the same, then yeah, grab a PCI-X board and card, but to be honest, since you have a agp you might as well hunt aout and get an agp slot board
ok, then, check with stores other than the guy you bought your card from and see if they say the same thing about phasing out the AGP. if at least 8 out of 10 stores say the same, then yeah, grab a PCI-X board and card, but to be honest, since you have a agp you might as well hunt aout and get an agp slot board
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Originally Posted by Rayea
yup, sata is serial ata
ok, then, check with stores other than the guy you bought your card from and see if they say the same thing about phasing out the AGP. if at least 8 out of 10 stores say the same, then yeah, grab a PCI-X board and card, but to be honest, since you have a agp you might as well hunt aout and get an agp slot board |
tenira
I'm not interested in Doom 3 or Half-Life 2, all I want to do is play Guild Wars! LOL! It's still not working... So depressing. And tech support is getting worse and worse, longer between each reply. I think they're running out of ideas. Does anyone recommend reinstalling Windows and all the latest drivers and installing just Guild Wars and see what happens? I mean, it wasn't that long ago I did exactly that, but with all this tampering around they've had me do...?
Sir Skullcrasher
Even thought AGP is fading out, im still using it in my computer. Currently, I'm running a ATI Radeon x800 xt which should last me about 1 or 2 years before i have to force myself to get a whole new system with PCI-Express card.
EternalTempest
I can't afford the cost of a new motherboard / cpu (have amd 64 754pin) so for now I am sticking to AGP, good news is nvidia / ati still have some killer cards for agp and will be upgrading to those in the future.
Edit - Geforce 6800 AGP 128 mb Ram is going for about $180 in the US, (www.pricewatch.com) - The 6800GT are still too high from around $300 price range
I'm running on the Geforce FX 5700 128 and GW runs great.
Edit - Geforce 6800 AGP 128 mb Ram is going for about $180 in the US, (www.pricewatch.com) - The 6800GT are still too high from around $300 price range
I'm running on the Geforce FX 5700 128 and GW runs great.
tenira
Oh okay. I have the 6600GT in AGP and it seems pretty good, even though I can't play it... LOL
Cottie
Update your BIOS already...I've told you enought times!
Im going out to buy GW and overtake you! Muhaha!
Im going out to buy GW and overtake you! Muhaha!
calendae
A BIOS update can't hurt. Unless the power goes out while its flashing, then it can. But yeah, make sure you have all the newest drivers for everything installed. Also, reintalling Windows can't hurt. But it probably won't help either. I wish games supported other operating systems better.
samarium
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So many males play female characters and vice versa anymore that I just avoid using pronouns at all and sound like I failed the Turing test.a 400W power supply should be sufficient, I imagine. (btw, very nice drawing)
If you want to give the graphics card its own power lead, I'd recommend unplugging the plain jane CD reader, just for testing purposes.
I hear real good things about PCI-X, and I look forward to getting my next machine.
Question: do these black screens actually mean your computer crashed, or is it still working? Do you still have sound?
-sam
tenira
No, nothing at all. It just goes black, the entire game stops and I can't hear any sound or anything. A couple of times there has been a high-pitched wailing, and it sort of warbles at the same time. I just have to turn the computer off with the power button. Tech support are REALLY unhelpful now, telling me to use Driver Cleaner which I already have... ARGH!
Cottie
There is an option somewere on the power menu of your computer that stops the computer from restarting when a problem is encountered. If you enable this option, you will get a blue screen that displays an error or "stop error" message. Perhaps that will help...
UPDATE BIOS!
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UPDATE BIOS!
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