Best canthan sword & axe elites? (your opinion)

I-Lord-Osiris-I

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

Godz Army [Godz]

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Anyone want to give me their opinion on the best sword and axe elites?

If you dont mind listing what it does and where its obtained that would be great for myself and everyone else, thank you.

Drizzt Dourden

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

the best sword elite is dragonslash. i love this skill^^

axe i dont know, im a sword player...

MrGuildBoi

MrGuildBoi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

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Sword = Dragon Slash (Infinite Adrenaline ftw)
Axe = Triple Chop (Executioner Cylclone Axe)

Spawn of Aires

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

as far as my warrior goes i love auspicous parry,

just spam that and riposte as much as humanly possible

However, if im not using a sword shove is quite fun in pvp. great kd skill,but it does have the draw back of disabling skill. if u use it right,tho, it works wonders

Mandy Memory

Mandy Memory

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Xen of Sigils [XoO]

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I prefer whirling axe to triple chop.

sword = quivering blade.

RuPee

RuPee

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Los Angeles, CA

[RoD]

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axe - triple chop. i really like the combo of executioners+cyclone in this skill.
swords - i like quivering blade because its low adrenal cost makes it easily spammable for some high damage. and to counter the dazed that might happen i usually have plague touch.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

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axe=triple chop.
sword=quvering blade/dragon slash

Rogmar

Rogmar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

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Axe=Triple Chop, Whirling Axe is good DPS and all but...there's no spike at all...

Rukmedes

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/W

Sword, Quivering blade.

Axe, Evicerate.

Not much of a competition imo.

Dragon Slash does not work well with Final Thrust

GranDeWun

GranDeWun

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Shove, and Shove.

"Disables non-attack skills". Gee, both of them...

BigTru

BigTru

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Um... None of them are too impressive.

Dragon Slash - It's 10 Adrenaline and if it misses, that's 10 adrenaline down the drain. That in itself isn't so bad, but you also have to concider that you're missing out on the best sword skill; Final Thrust. Furthermore, you thereis simply too much blackout going around in PvP that can completely trash this skill.

Quivering Blade - Probably one of the better Warrior elites in faction, though that's not saying much. I'd say it's the best sword elite for pressure. If you do get blocked, it most likely won't effect you much as a warrior unless you're using Virulence or Shock or some other common warrior/secondary spells. Hell, you can even shed the Dazed off with Plague Touch if you want. However, if you're running Sword, you're most likely doing it for "Charge!". Hammers and Axes all provide better pressure in most situations, but again, Final Thrust is a winner. I could see this being used. I'll save the Weapon vs Weapon debate for another time.

Whirling Axe - Same problems as Cleave, not to mention all the blocking going on in PvP. Differance between this and Quivering Blade? It actually matters if you're blocked. If you dont mind the skill disabaling and are willing to change your build into one with few Adrenaline skills, I think it might be able to do some good pressure, though I'm not sure why the hell you'd run this over Eviscerate.

Triple Chop - Suffers from the same problems as other warrior AoE skills in PvP; AoE too small. This will probably be used even less than Hundred Blades, especially since King Eviscerate and even Whirling Axe and Cleave ourperform it.

hunter

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

They are all good.

After spending hours playing with each of them i can confirm that all of them are good.

Dragon slash: Chain adrenal skills. Rocks for PVE. Poor for PVP however

Quivering blade: the PVP version of it. Works quite well as a spike attack or for builds which need a sword elite. Sword line always needed a spammable high dmg ability. Here it is

Triple chop: Amazing skill whenever you are fighting low health enemies in numbers who tend to pack togather. Another PVE skills. If you are fighting afflicted for example, this is the skill of choice. Also good in farming situations combined with cyclone axe

Whirlwind axe: Amazing skill whenever it comes to constant high DPS. This is the skill of choice for PVE whenever dealing with stronger opponents (warders). In PVP is good for keeping pressure on monks or other players. At 2A, this skill is spammable every 2nd attack. its quite good.


Conclusion: All the axe and sword elites are good. However practice is required to master them. For example, It took me 2 days and 19 hours of gameplay (while replaying missions for my protector of cantha title) to realise how amazing triple chop is.

Da Cebuano

Da Cebuano

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Virginia born in Cebu

Jelly Toast[jT]

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For PVP Auspicious parry

PVE: Triple chop + cyclone axe FTMFW
w/ sword, Probly dragon, but I dunno, haven't capped quivering blade yet.

vahalla

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

HS

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best sword elite=dragonslash great for pvp and theres are ways to make sure it doesnt miss try this out ull love it::
dragon slash///call of justice///weapon with furious mod///warriors cunning///tigers fury////conjure fire/air///ice . ull never miss ull gain ur adr so quick it will make ur head swim. and ull be able to spam dragonslash IT WORKS VERY WELL!!!

hunter

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by vahalla
best sword elite=dragonslash great for pvp and theres are ways to make sure it doesnt miss try this out ull love it::
dragon slash///call of justice///weapon with furious mod///warriors cunning///tigers fury////conjure fire/air///ice . ull never miss ull gain ur adr so quick it will make ur head swim. and ull be able to spam dragonslash IT WORKS VERY WELL!!! You can't conjure and use tigers fury on a warrior. You can only have 1 secondary. Make up your mind.

Dragon slash blows in PVP and whoever claims otherwise either sucks or has never tried so himself.

PS: Please try to use proper grammar in the near future. I know this is not english class but damn, that thing looks like it was typed by a 12 year old

Kariston The Swift

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Sand Scorpions[SS]

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I'd have to disagree I think Dragonslash could be quite good as a adrenal spiking skill because it keeps you with plenty of adrenaline which can be crucial when you have to call fast spikes.

Yukito Kunisaki

Yukito Kunisaki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

Chicago, IL

W/N

They should have introduced an inverted Final Thrust style sword elite where you don't lose all your adrenaline and damage is double when hp is above 50%

That'd be worth an elite...

Arkis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter
You can't conjure and use tigers fury on a warrior. You can only have 1 secondary. Make up your mind.

Dragon slash blows in PVP and whoever claims otherwise either sucks or has never tried so himself.

PS: Please try to use proper grammar in the near future. I know this is not english class but damn, that thing looks like it was typed by a 12 year old Umm excuse me? Are you implying that all builds with dragon slash "blow" for pvp? That generalization is sickening. While I don't claim to be GOOD at pvp. I claim to be compitent and not "suck."

Some builds actually have it work well. I run dragon slash, galrath, and silverwing. Just like Kariston said. Adren spikes = godly if you can get em on time. What if you have blind? Purge condition fixes it for me. =P.

I beat down elementalists/warriors/sins very easily in 12v12/Random Arenas. While I haven't tested in GVG i'm sure its viable. Maybe you should try it some time. Or maybe it's just not your style to play without a condition attack skill.

You should try this some time, and I think that's what

With furious mod and sword at 16 ->

Tiger Stance/Frenzy -> For Great Justice... 4 hits to get galrath up alongside silverwing slash.

If you actually get how adren works you'd understand how this goes. Eventually once you get dragon slash up attack with it, then galrath -> silerwing, and dragon again. Refreshing tiger/frenzy.

While, yes missing will destroy your combo, with for great justice and a speed enchancement, it should be more than enough to get it back.

However, this is my style of play. My problem is how people simply say that it sucks without reason at all. Have YOU tried it at all for more than a run or two?

These few skills + my own smiting skills in pvp have proven to be quite effective in downing most people ESPEICALLY the NPCs in 12v12.

]SK[

]SK[

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Nottingham, UK

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I think Auspicious parry is a great skill but I just can't use it since I spam flurry. Quivering Blade is what I'm using at the moment. Flurry charges it in no time.

Seef II

Seef II

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

US

R/Mo

Flurry is bad in PvP.
PvE I like Quivering Blade. Haven't had time to mess with Dragon Slash yet, but it may very well replace Hundred Blades in my PvE build.
For PvP sword, I run Quivering Blade, Skull Crack (for sh*ts and giggles), or Charge.

Axe - nothing beats King Eviscerate but for PvE purposes, I have to say I'm impressed with Triple Chop. Cleave is better than Whirling Axe IMO since it doesn't totally screw up your adrenal efficiency and no penalty on block.

Strength - Umm...

Tactics - Auspicious Parry

Hammer - Enraged Smash is pretty nifty in PvE when you can swing it, but you'd still run a KD elite in PvP.

pegasux

pegasux

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Mexico < PUKE >

Elite Rogues Inc. [ER]

Axe - Evicerate
Sword - Dragon Slash (For you guys that say it sucks try this and you may think that it doesn't suck at least.) get Dragon Slash charged up then For Great Justice + Sun and Moon + Dragon Slash + Suna and Moon + Dragon Slash...etc etc etc. You can spam this for huge pressure until For Great Justice wears out in 20 secsonds + the one extra cycle after it wears out.
Overall Favorite - Auspicious Parry. Why cause I can spam Ripostle or counter blow. Also a stance which is practically constant since it is spammable and it blocks the next attack on you. =) Not sure how it does in PvP but in PvE it's king.

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Check behind you again.

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Hundred Blades. Plain and Simple.

The Real Roy Keane

The Real Roy Keane

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Dublin, Ireland

There's nothing there that compares to Eviscerate.

However, Auspicious Parry is nifty enough on a sword Warrior, and Dragon Slash could be useful enough in a pressure build. I detest Whirling axe; it has no spike potential, is useless against an organized team since they'll be packing Guardian, and, perhaps worst of all,effectively disablesyour other adrenaline skills.

Rukmedes

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTru
Quivering Blade - Probably one of the better Warrior elites in faction, though that's not saying much. I'd say it's the best sword elite for pressure. If you do get blocked, it most likely won't effect you much as a warrior unless you're using Virulence or Shock or some other common warrior/secondary spells. Hell, you can even shed the Dazed off with Plague Touch if you want. However, if you're running Sword, you're most likely doing it for "Charge!". Okay, so this made me laugh. Do people even think before they type? Or do they just want to be the guy who "knows all"?

First off, Quivering Blade is good. Why? Lots of damage for low adrenaline.

Second, You cannot run Quivering blade with Virulence, rofl.

Third, Dazed does not effect shock. Shock is a skill, not a spell.

And last, not everyone takes a sword for Charge anymore, Auspicious Parry is a really nice skill, and it charges Final Thrust like wtfhax fast.

hunter

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by pegasux
Axe - Evicerate
Sword - Dragon Slash (For you guys that say it sucks try this and you may think that it doesn't suck at least.) get Dragon Slash charged up then For Great Justice + Sun and Moon + Dragon Slash + Suna and Moon + Dragon Slash...etc etc etc. You can spam this for huge pressure until For Great Justice wears out in 20 secsonds + the one extra cycle after it wears out.
Overall Favorite - Auspicious Parry. Why cause I can spam Ripostle or counter blow. Also a stance which is practically constant since it is spammable and it blocks the next attack on you. =) Not sure how it does in PvP but in PvE it's king. yes i have tried Dragon slash many times in PVP, even before playing around with the other sword elites and yes, dragon slash blows in PVP? Why?

because in PVP you need spike dmg, not constant pressure, if even 1 of your skill chain misses, you are screwed for a good 6 sec or so. And trust me, there are many ways for you to miss that dragon slash, starting from the blinds to the block skills. Each of them will cause you to start from step one, hence delaying your pressure build up. And its dependent on FGJ anyways. So while you are waiting for FGJ to cool down, you are a mediocre damage dealing warrior at best.

now compare this with a normal axe warrior or even a warrior with quivering blade which can spike moderatively well

Munanko Roha

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

KoH

W/E

Axe: Eviscerate in pvp is the only choice. Cleave if you don't have it, 'cause Whirling Axe is far too dangerous and can't spike at all.

Triple Chop for pve.

Hammer: I love Devastating Hammer 'cause it charges quite quickly and can be followed by a lot of knockdowns, even better than BackBreaker. These ones are the choices in pvp. Enraged Smash is a great skill and it spikes like no other warrior skill, but I still prefer to run a knockdown build.

When I use a sword I like very much Quivering Blade (it's good even if evaded, so you can daze a caster with Plague Touch) but I choose Skull Crack over all, it can take any caster and keep him useless al long as I want. The downside comes if it get's evaded, so it's better used along with Warrior's Cunning.

Auspicious Parry is a great elite for pve, but in pvp as a warrior you won't get attacked very much, so it gets useless.

Shove can be good if you have low adrenalin or few adrenalin skills, but the downsides are too many. I tend to prefer Coward instead, or even better Bull's Charge.

hunter

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Munanko Roha
When I use a sword I like very much Quivering Blade (it's good even if evaded, so you can daze a caster with Plague Touch) but I choose Skull Crack over all, it can take any caster and keep him useless al long as I want. The downside comes if it get's evaded, so it's better used along with Warrior's Cunning. The daze effect only comes if it is BLOCKED, but not evaded. Thats what the skill description says and i haven't ever been dazed from being evaded either.

Munanko Roha

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

KoH

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Ops, you're right, forgot part of the description...

pegasux

pegasux

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Mexico < PUKE >

Elite Rogues Inc. [ER]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter
now compare this with a normal axe warrior or even a warrior with quivering blade which can spike moderatively well I was referring to PvE. In PvP is should be non existant. In PvP Axe or KD is the way to go imo.