Canthan ranger..

LordLucifer

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

A/

so i havent prophecies, and i can clearly see many of the best skills are not avaliable in cantha...my ranger feels gimped... i was thinking abt deleting it since my sin can outdmg it by far (and survival is also better believe me or not..) and can solo bosses....my rit also kicks ass, its a monster, got a necro MM, cant be much else without prophecies but it still kicks ass..

any1 know a way to make a canthan ranger decent? =/

Lurid

Lurid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/

buy the skills, or bring your ranger into Tyria and do the quest if you can, not sure since I haven't tried it.

Nestaron

Nestaron

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Glasgow, Scotland

Banished Dragons

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurid
buy the skills, or bring your ranger into Tyria and do the quest if you can, not sure since I haven't tried it. He doesn't have Tryia as he doesn't have Prophicies.

Lykan

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by LordLucifer
... i was thinking abt deleting it since my sin can outdmg it by far (and survival is also better believe me or not..) and can solo bosses If your having trouble survivng in pve as a ranger you are doing something wrong, they have more evasion and escape skills than any other character and are easyily one of the best classes to play.
soloing bosses is easy if you take your time to trap and prepare first.

LordLucifer

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

A/

ic, its just that i find it hard to beat the defense from crit defenses (almost always up) and shadow form, can tank many bosses easily

i know it sounds n00bish but know any good tactics to kill bosses solo with a canthan ranger? =/

stances wont last forever...

Maria The Princess

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

IMO ranger kicks ass and assassin suks

dont forget that as ranger your role is to stay behind and shoot diffrent arrows, and not run ahead and tank. thats probably why u keep dying

LordLucifer

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

A/

no, the problem is that my sin can deal more dmg and survive longer, PvE boss farming is much easier when you have crit defenses (perma evasion) and can deal tons of dmg in a short time..

MrScaRy

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

well a lot of good elite skills are in propheices, such as oath shot, punishing and cripple shot... but a good skill i can think of is melandru's shot which isn't bad at all. I started a canthan ranger and used all the normal ranger spike skills but i just had to go to tyria to cap punishing

Lurid

Lurid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestaron
He doesn't have Tryia as he doesn't have Prophicies. As if people don't make characters in Cantha when they have merged accounts

Maria The Princess

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

Quote:
Originally Posted by LordLucifer
no, the problem is that my sin can deal more dmg and survive longer, PvE boss farming is much easier when you have crit defenses (perma evasion) and can deal tons of dmg in a short time.. if u keep duying being a RANGER.... maby its just not for you..... delete it and make a wammo or somethin

LordLucifer

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

A/

then tell me how to kill an easy boss with ranger, say, chkkr? or the monk boss close to the entrance?

like i said, with factions only skils..

soySauceNR1ce

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tampa, Fl

(pRYD) Pride Fighterz

Mo/R

i love my ranger do ids all day lol around 200k a week =P

Maria The Princess

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

Quote:
Originally Posted by LordLucifer
then tell me how to kill an easy boss with ranger, say, chkkr? or the monk boss close to the entrance?

like i said, with factions only skils.. use a stance (something to evade)
use poison (in any shape)
use interruption (theres plenty)
use a spike (thers plenty)
use self healing (always)

all that together=dead ANYTHING

LordLucifer

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maria The Princess
use a stance (something to evade)
use poison (in any shape)
use interruption (theres plenty)
use a spike (thers plenty)
use self healing (always)

all that together=dead ANYTHING so i just tried it, many times against bosses

stances, they rock...for 20 secs, then you have 40 secs taking full dmg (while a boss can kill you in 3-5 sucessiful hits)
poison helps a lot, like always
interruption works well, specially against bosses self healing stuff (curious note is that my sin can outdmg even the healing with no interrupts..)
the spikes...arent really "spikes" unless im doing something seriously wrong, all atks dmg might look a lil nice but the refire and recharge rates are killers.. (tried with many different bows)
self healing, i tried troll unguement, by the time its working you either wasted the precious lil time stances give you to hit the boss or after the 3 secs cast time you already died...twice..

i think ill put my hopes on a pet for PvE, if it doesnt work..

btw this ranger rocks in PvP as a spiker, hitting enemies from faaaar away, can kill human players pretty fast too (made the R/E with kindle arrows) just cant see a way to work it out for PvE, also got a friend who is depressed cause he only has a ranger and cant find a way to solo with it..

Cymboric Treewalker

Cymboric Treewalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Imperial Palace - Cantha

[SFK] Sacred Forge Knights (founder)

Me/Mo

LordLucifer:

What is your rangers secondary?

It is my experience that Me secondary for ranger can up your survivabilty...

Also, what types of bosses are you going after?

I played an assassin and they definately out damage a ranger, but they DO not out survive them.

LordLucifer

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

A/

well i used R/E, but i was sticking with mostly ranger skills, could it be the problem? also i didnt get a pet or beast mastery skills, trapping doesnt look so nice in cantha and there isnt much room on boss hunting to run around

you see, the real problem is... Critical defenses=75% block lasts 6 secs (7 with xuekao, and can be kept up forever with crit eye, not to mention high crit=tons of energy) while whiling defense=20 secs 75% evasion...60 secs recharge =/

as for bosses i tried warrior, ranger, monk and assasin ones
my sin cant take the warrior or the ranger ones, (might with a build change, but i didnt try to do so yet) with the right build i can take on certain groups of mobs too (and i know how to gt out of shadow for alive and keep fighting..)
my rit.. hmm i dont think there is any bosses out there it cant kill O.o, maybe that baddass kappa elementalist boss on the jade sea (dont remember the place) not to mention rits can take on entire groups alone
necro, giv me a corpse and ill make many more, we all know them right?

EDIT: typed flashing blades instead of crit defenses

kojakranger

kojakranger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

[SiN]

R/Me

Want to love your ranger more? Do yourself a favour

RTW -> Madaurers Shot -> Punishing Shot -> Savage Shot

The amount of joy this brings into my heart. Is unsuprassed by none. Slam an assasin with punishing during his shadow refuge... Its enough to make a grown man weap tears of joy

LordLucifer

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

A/

punishing isnt avaliable in cantha =/

Vincent_v_valentine

Vincent_v_valentine

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

you should buy Prothectics, since factions only is a expansion.

Francis Demeules

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Expertise
Marksman's Wager
Oath Shot
Practiced Stance

Marksmanship
Crippling Shot
Punishing Shot

Wilderness Survival
Greater Conflagration
Incendiary Arrows
Melandru's Arrows
Melandru's Resilience
Poison Arrow

This is all elites LordLucifer can't have if you want to know that.

LaserLight

LaserLight

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

La La Land

[NOVA]

A/

Alright you yuks, let the poor man be.

Lucifer, part of your problem is relying on Whirling Defense for your defensive skill. Rangers can outlast even some Warriors, but that's because they're more mobile than most any class save the Assassin, and some would make a case for Rangers beating them, too. Whirling is nice, but if I were you, I'd invest in Storm Chaser as well, or Zojun's Haste. Or, if you don't need the elite slot for something else, the beyond-nuts Escape. Escape would probably double your Ranger's survivability alone and doesn't even require points in that annoying Wilderness Survival line.

[pre-emptive defense]
*Sticks tongue out at other Ranger players* Yes, WS is annoying! Unless you're trapping, you have all of one good skill and two semi-useable ones in it. Don't talk to me about Troll Unguent or Apply Poison either, the one is expensive as hell for a really basic effect, and the other takes as long to cast as some bloody Binding Rituals. scroo yoo too
[/pre-emptive defense]

Anyways. Try and find Escape for survivability, and your best friend for attacking is Focused Shot. That skill does insane damage for its recharge and Energy, and the attack-lockdown aspect really is minimal at high enough Marks. Hit 16 Marks, bring Read the Wind, Focused Shot, and Escape, and you are a Tom Clancy sniper XP. Let's see...try this.

12 Marks (16 w/mask + Superior)
10 Expertise (11w/Minor)
8 Whatever (I honestly can't think of a vital third attribute. Probably, much as I dislike it, Wilderness at 8 + Minor for Troll. God I hate Troll -_-)

Focused Shot
Distracting Shot
Read the Wind
4
5
Throw Dirt
Escape [E]
ReSiggy/hard res (if playing /Mo or /Rt)

Optimized more for PvE - if running in Random Arenas or such, put Pin Down in 4 or 5. Perhaps, if you're more offensively-minded, 8 + Minor in beast mastery and sling Bestial Fury. Or whatever the Tiger's Fury clone skill is. Or stick with /E and go with 8 Conjure Something, though 8 Conjure isn't a huge damage bonus.

Anyways. Hope that helps more than some of these idjits have, man . I know how hard it can be snaring something useful out of a forum post XP.

Francis Demeules

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

If you want to cap Escape, Stsou Swiftscale the naga in Maishang Hills (Near Gyala Hatchery in Luxon area).

Maria The Princess

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis Demeules
Expertise
Marksman's Wager
Oath Shot
Practiced Stance

Marksmanship
Crippling Shot
Punishing Shot

Wilderness Survival
Greater Conflagration
Incendiary Arrows
Melandru's Arrows
Melandru's Resilience
Poison Arrow

This is all elites LordLucifer can't have if you want to know that. that looks like a hit under the belt for those who didnt buy GWP