Some chineese myths for ya there
Why the phoenix isnt a fire bird.
Arkantos
Ive seen many people wondering why the phoenix isnt on fire? Myths say the phoenix as an immortal fire bird. This is true, but the phoenix ANet has given us is actually the Fenghuang, the Chineese Phoenix. Now, why arent they on fire, you ask? Because according to chineese myths this bird was the bird that reigned over other birds. Why are its feathers so colourful? Well, the chineese said that the fenghuang contained the 5 fundamental colours: black, white, red, green and yellow. If you look at the phoenix on GW, it has all that, and blue, which I do not know why.
Some chineese myths for ya there
Some chineese myths for ya there
bam23
But a fire bird is so much cooler!
Arkantos
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But a fire bird is so much cooler!
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EternalTempest
As being a member of the "Reign Of The Phoenix"
I do find this very instresting and didn't know that.
Great Find.
Bit I do love that GW pulls from more obscure source's with there own personal creation thrown in.
I do find this very instresting and didn't know that.
Great Find.
Bit I do love that GW pulls from more obscure source's with there own personal creation thrown in.
DJ Josh
thanks for the myth info on my new pet.also like to add that the main phoenix myth that people get the fire bird thing from is confused data,why?,because the phoenix is not a fire bird.the myth states that upon its death the phoenix bursts into flames and is reborn in its own ash.but yes a movie style phoenix would be cool,if a little cheesy(moltres ftw ),but personely i'm happy with my phoenix + as stated by the op it fits in with the asain theme of factions.
),but personely i'm happy with my phoenix + as stated by the op it fits in with the asain theme of factions.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by DJ Josh
thanks for the myth info on my new pet.also like to add that the main phoenix myth that people get the fire bird thing from is confused data,why?,because the phoenix is not a fire bird. the myth states that upon its death the phoenix bursts into flames and is reborn in its own ash.but yes a movie style phoenix would be cool,if a little cheesy(moltres ftw
),but personely i'm happy with my phoenix + as stated by the op it fits in with the asain theme of factions. |
PS: Zapdos > Moltres.
raven214
Good info!
Stockholm
Would be cool if the phoenix did fire damage, the deep fry bird
tick tack toe
i enjoy the bird in the game!
also my pet moa bird of deth!!!! fear it lol
also my pet moa bird of deth!!!! fear it lol
Trylo
It reminded me of a Quetzequatyl (sp?), an ancient Mayan bird.
*Chinese*
*Chinese*
MaglorD
Well Chapter 3 is supposedly based on Africa, so maybe the new phoenix will be a firebird.
VGJustice
Ah, I was wondering about that. Good find.
M C H A M M E R
Would be cool if it was all fiery and stuff..lol
Lateralus
Another Chinese rip off...
Ention
^... Oh well. If they have Asian Architecture and German language roots why not throw in a Chinese Pheonix just for giggles! 
Gmr Leon
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Originally Posted by Trylo
It reminded me of a Quetzequatyl (sp?), an ancient Mayan bird.
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dreamhunk
yea i love my new pet I am going beast master now
I am going beast master now
The Lich Ranger
My pheonix is haxxors... they rock
ange1
it looks more like a peaRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO to me
Markaedw
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it looks more like a peaRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO to me
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Sagaris
Does the horn belong on the head of the phoenix? Because that is the only bit I don't like about it.
Raiin Maker
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Originally Posted by Bloody Death
True. According to egyptians the phoenix had gold and red feathers, and it represented fire and divinity. And ya when it died it would burn up and ressurect from its ashes.
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i admit that the phoenix dosent look 100% right, but it is still the coolest pet in the game.
Huge Hearty Phoenix FTW!
Trylo
sorry for that, but i was still thinking of the phoenix as it does have a serpentish tail and horns, close enough
Canadian Bacon
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PS: Zapdos > Moltres.
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NinjaKai
You can't possibly fault ANet for the research it does.
NinjaKai
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Originally Posted by Bloody Death
True. According to egyptians the phoenix had gold and red feathers, and it represented fire and divinity. And ya when it died it would burn up and ressurect from its ashes.
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Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Canadian Bacon
For the love of Grenth, please tell me you aren't into Pokemon. I dropped that crap 6 years ago (I'm only 15, so that's a big chunk of my life). Oddly, I still remember pretty much every one of the original 150...I guess my memory just works that way. I bet 10 years from now I will still remember all the Guild Wars professions.
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lol jk....I just remember all the leet pokemans
prodigy ming
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Originally Posted by Sagaris
Does the horn belong on the head of the phoenix? Because that is the only bit I don't like about it.
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in reply to your question, i don't think that stupid horn is suppose to be there... sometimes i really like Anet's takes on things... but they totally messed up the phoneix and even the dragon > <
I mean... thats a pretty ugly bird to symboize the empress (the one GW has), it looks like someone painted a really ugly falcon and put horn on his head... thus losing all the elegance the phoenix suppose to have.
Its ok if Anet use things from other people's culture, but it really piss us off when we see they disfigure the phoenix like that.
on a side note... the dragon... Trogdor anyone??
snikerz
so like why is it the celestial phoenix represent fiery look, mind you the turtle looks fiery too hehe
Arkantos
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so like why is it the celestial phoenix represent fiery look, mind you the turtle looks fiery too hehe
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Makes sence, because if you kill them you become closer to the stars
miraaz
it would actually be cool if the phoenix would use elementalist's fire skills(a bit overpowered, i know but it would be cool )
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arcady
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Originally Posted by EternalTempest
As being a member of the "Reign Of The Phoenix"
I do find this very instresting and didn't know that. Great Find. Bit I do love that GW pulls from more obscure source's with there own personal creation thrown in. |
Korean etymology is about 60% Chinese, but with a grammar structure more like Japan's. Koreans are loosely familiar with a lot of Chinese lore. If you know Korean, hearing a Chinese word is sometimes like hearing German is for English speakers - if you listen hard enough, you might guess the word correctly by what it sounds similar to (Korean is my second language, and I live in San francisco where Cantonese is one of the primary languages-took a semester of it as well).
It is interesting that the 'phoenix' is different from what users here expect, but not really suprising. In fact it may have been named 'phoenix' after it first had the other name, and got the name 'phoenix' from being translated after it was already fully designed and coded in (wild speculation on my part, but not illogical).
Stockholm
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Given that anet is in Korea, using the Chinese myth for them is not at all obscure..
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And regarding the Phoenix
Phoenix (mythology)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The phoenix from the Aberdeen Bestiary.For other mythic firebirds, sometimes conflated with the phoenix, see Fire bird (mythology).
In ancient Egyptian mythology and in myths derived from it, the phoenix is a mythical sacred firebird.
Said to live for 500 or 1461 years (depending on the source), the phoenix is a male bird with beautiful gold and red plumage. At the end of its life-cycle the phoenix builds itself a nest of cinnamon twigs that it then ignites; both nest and bird burn fiercely and are reduced to ashes, from which a new, young phoenix arises. The new phoenix embalms the ashes of the old phoenix in an egg made of myrrh and deposits it in Heliopolis ("the city of the sun" in Greek), located in Egypt. The bird was also said to regenerate when hurt or wounded by a foe, thus being almost immortal and invincible — a symbol of fire and divinity.
Although descriptions (and life-span) vary, the phoenix (Bennu bird) became popular in early Christian art, literature and Christian symbolism, as a symbol of Christ, and further, represented the resurrection, immortality, and the life-after-death of Jesus Christ.
Originally, the phoenix was identified by the Egyptians as a stork or heron-like bird called a benu, (see Bennu), known from the Book of the Dead and other Egyptian texts as one of the sacred symbols of worship at Heliopolis, closely associated with the rising sun and the Egyptian sun-god Ra.
arcady
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A-net is an American company in Seattle owned by NC-Soft witch is an Korean company
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Given that factions uses a lot of Asian themes that would be familiar to a Korean, and the parent company is Korean, drawing a connection is logical. Especially given the more advanced status of graphic design and digital arts in Korea - and that the visual look of illustrations and 3D models in GWs seems Korean Manwa influenced (but you would have to know Korean Manwa to see it, as the style is more subtle to a western eye than something as extreme as the Japanese Manga influence seen in games like Final Fantasy).
Consider for example, that the 'Canthan warrior armor' is the traditional armor of Korea in fuedal era, and the female Monk hairstyle seen here: http://www.guildwars.co.kr/gameinfo/job.asp?kind=3 is taken from the Korean 'Sun-nyo' (angel of the shamanic era). Korean aspects have been influencing the game for a while.
Desert Penguin
The pheonix looks like a big colorful turkey. Or at least a turkey crossed with a peacock or whatever.
I wouldn't mind having a penguin, tukey, pea RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO, or even an eagle as a pet
EDIT: What on Earth is this "Red engine gored" stuff?
I wouldn't mind having a penguin, tukey, pea RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO, or even an eagle as a pet
EDIT: What on Earth is this "Red engine gored" stuff?
prodigy ming
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The pheonix looks like a big colorful turkey. Or at least a turkey crossed with a peacock or whatever.
I wouldn't mind having a penguin, tukey, pea RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO, or even an eagle as a pet EDIT: What on Earth is this "Red engine gored" stuff? |
Jenosavel
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Does not mean that work doesn't get at the source as well as the remote agency.
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) and worry about all the technical stuff invovling putting the game out on the market after its completed.Thus, while NC Soft will definitely have influence over what ANet does, they're probably not working on the game itself. If you don't like the design of the game, you complain to ANet (or NC Soft to put pressure on ANet). If you don't like the distribution (like the collector's edition shortage) you complain to NC Soft.
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In fact this may have a lot to do with why factions has a different 'play style' than 'prophesis' (not the theme, but the emphasis and level of PvE v PvP, length of chapters, etc). It might, or it might not. Given that factions uses a lot of Asian themes that would be familiar to a Korean, and the parent company is Korean, drawing a connection is logical. Especially given the more advanced status of graphic design and digital arts in Korea - and that the visual look of illustrations and 3D models in GWs seems Korean Manwa influenced (but you would have to know Korean Manwa to see it, as the style is more subtle to a western eye than something as extreme as the Japanese Manga influence seen in games like Final Fantasy). Consider for example, that the 'Canthan warrior armor' is the traditional armor of Korea in fuedal era, and the female Monk hairstyle seen here: http://www.guildwars.co.kr/gameinfo/job.asp?kind=3 is taken from the Korean 'Sun-nyo' (angel of the shamanic era). Korean aspects have been influencing the game for a while. |
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It looks like the male equivalent of a peahen to me as well.
Oh, and I always preferred Articuno. Or that silver one that spoke to you without moving its mouth. If it had a mouth.
Oh, and I always preferred Articuno. Or that silver one that spoke to you without moving its mouth. If it had a mouth.
Francis Demeules
Or they just tried to make an original one and not thinking about having a copy/paste mythology creature. Like the Onis, they're not like what they represent as physical form.
prodigy ming
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Or they just tried to make an original one and not thinking about having a copy/paste mythology creature. Like the Onis, they're not like what they represent as physical form.
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The phoenix however... was just horrible.