I just got me some shiros blades by beating the game. Should I use them, or sell them?
req 15
damage +50 ^50
vampiric :3
health + 30
is that vampiric worth the -1 regen (and thus +X regen enchantment)?
If you find the vampiric mod effective, what build are you using with it? (which + X regen enchantment)
im just trying to figure out if I should sell them and buy ceremonial daggers or not...these blades look sick.
Thnx
Shiro's blades. Any good?
Grandmaster
samifly
the req 15 lessens the damage you do
Katari
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Originally Posted by samifly
the req 15 lessens the damage you do
That is incorrect. Requirement only matters if you don't meet it. If you have 16 dagger mastery, any dagger with otherwise identical mods will do the same damage, independent of requirement.
Katamari
A high weapon requirement does not lessen the damage dealt. However, a lower rank in the appropriate weapon mastery will. I usually keep my weapon mastery at 15/16 so I won't be doing piddly damage in PvP so a high req doesn't bother me.
EDIT: Beaten to the punch
EDIT: Beaten to the punch
Grandmaster
I have 16 in dagger, so that is no prob. What I want to know if how you guys deal with the -1 regen, and the enchantment you use to counter it. Energy is very important to the assassin and getting -1 energy regen to counter that -1 health regen...is it worth it? Or should I just get the ceremonial daggers instead... (please say why the daggers if those are better. I am interested in the reasoning behind the choise)
LaserLight
The Vampiric mod, at least while you're attacking, is essentially free damage. The health stolen balances out the degen while tacking 3 extra damage onto every hit. It's even more effective with Doulbe Striking - Assassins are the most effective Vampiric users in this game short of Barragebots. Keep a switch on hand to keep the vampire from eating your HP while not actively fighting and you'll be just fine.
LuxuryGosu
i think its worth it because if you have high critical strike, then you could easily make up for the -1 regen because you gain energy everytime u hit a critical (at least thats what it is for me)
Laura Whitefox
I use the shiro blades myself on my sin and its very good. I dont like vamp weapons but it doesnt bother me on daggers, as their attack rate is high and u really get the lost health back. That -1 degen doesnt hurt much, but if u wont fight for some time then just switch to somehting else. Ok i have to admit i keep running around with it, cause i like the looks of that thing ^^. so if You do have 15-16 dagger mastery, then i can only recommend to use it ^^
samifly
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Damage - you get a bonus every level over the requirement of your weapon.
GerryHYH
Shiro Blades, hmmmm, not the best blades I have to admit, but it aint bad. Disadvantages are high req, which we all know, and not very good idea to go afk it. 
Personaly, I usually always be switching daggers from F1 to F4, you got to use different daggers at different situations. Shiro Blades of course on low health, and to show off, since I think it looks the best.
Use other daggers such as Xeakou Daggers if you use enchantment alot, e.g. Like Shadow Form, Shadow Refuse, Critical Defenceses etc etc.
As I say, each weapons are best at different situations
Gerry Hyh
Personaly, I usually always be switching daggers from F1 to F4, you got to use different daggers at different situations. Shiro Blades of course on low health, and to show off, since I think it looks the best.
Use other daggers such as Xeakou Daggers if you use enchantment alot, e.g. Like Shadow Form, Shadow Refuse, Critical Defenceses etc etc.
As I say, each weapons are best at different situations
Gerry Hyh
Cirian
You pretty much want multiple weapon sets, and a vampiric set is one that I like to have along with a zealous and an elemental set. Switch weapons as needed - I weapon switch quite a lot in/out of combat
fallot
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Originally Posted by samifly
you get a bonus every level over the requirement of your weapon.
No, you don't. Every 15>50 axe will deal the same damage at 16 Axe Mastery, even if you compare one that is req 8. and one that is req 13. You do a set amount of damage at every weapon attribute level, but if you don't meet a weapon's req, you deal very little damage.
Thats all req. does, if you don't meet it, you do pre-searing level weapon damage. If you do meet it, its like any other weapon with equivalent stats.
Thats all req. does, if you don't meet it, you do pre-searing level weapon damage. If you do meet it, its like any other weapon with equivalent stats.
Grandmaster
sounds like they are good to have, but it is not wise to use an enchantmetn to counter the degen. Keeping them and switching them in/out in battle works best?
trecca
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Keeping them and switching them in/out in battle works best?
Yes, no doubt.
Draxx
Real Problem with them is that only a Primary Class Assassain can use them, a W/A (who they would look friggin awesome on.) could never use them because obviously hey cant have the runes
That and the fact there nothin special its easy enough to buy the upgrades and stick them on a Req9 set of daggers *shrugs.*
They look figgin sweet tho.
That and the fact there nothin special its easy enough to buy the upgrades and stick them on a Req9 set of daggers *shrugs.*
They look figgin sweet tho.
NatalieD
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sounds like they are good to have, but it is not wise to use an enchantmetn to counter the degen. Keeping them and switching them in/out in battle works best?
Or more precisely, switch them out when you're not in battle. 
As long as you're hitting things with any regularity, you'll actually be gaining health over time, albeit not much. Just switch to a non-degen set when there are no enemies in sight, or maybe if you get blinded or something.
As long as you're hitting things with any regularity, you'll actually be gaining health over time, albeit not much. Just switch to a non-degen set when there are no enemies in sight, or maybe if you get blinded or something.
Francis Demeules
A note
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Shiro%27s_Blades
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http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Shiro%27s_Blades
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-The unique weapon Chkkr's Pincers also has the same bonuses, but deals piercing damage and only require 9 dagger master. Shiro do Slashing damage instead Piercing.
Im out
Rukmedes
Slashing damage > Piercing, what skills stop slashing damage? None.
What armors have defence agaisnt slashing damage? Saboteur's Armor, which is one set out of how many?
Bonelace armor for the necro, and Infiltrator's Armor for the assassin stop Piercing.
But the thing is, with all the Ranger spiking going on, I run Bonelace on my necro, so that does not hinder me with my Shiros Blades. Also run Everthorn's Chakrams, as they are Zealous and Slashing damage.
Now, as for the vamp. Shiros blades require 15 dagger mastery, so you might as well just run 16 mastery. At 16 DM you get 32% to do a double strike, thus making you do 6 more damage and heal yourself for 6 (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Dagger_Mastery) Now, one pip of health degen is 2 HP a second, (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Pip) and the speed of daggers attacking is 1.25 seconds, which will go up to 0.95 for every dual attack. (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Daggers) Now, with that attacking time for daggers, and the health degen per one pip, vamp is a good mod. Run it, it heals you and does damage ^-^
I hope I helped.
What armors have defence agaisnt slashing damage? Saboteur's Armor, which is one set out of how many?
Bonelace armor for the necro, and Infiltrator's Armor for the assassin stop Piercing.
But the thing is, with all the Ranger spiking going on, I run Bonelace on my necro, so that does not hinder me with my Shiros Blades. Also run Everthorn's Chakrams, as they are Zealous and Slashing damage.
Now, as for the vamp. Shiros blades require 15 dagger mastery, so you might as well just run 16 mastery. At 16 DM you get 32% to do a double strike, thus making you do 6 more damage and heal yourself for 6 (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Dagger_Mastery) Now, one pip of health degen is 2 HP a second, (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Pip) and the speed of daggers attacking is 1.25 seconds, which will go up to 0.95 for every dual attack. (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Daggers) Now, with that attacking time for daggers, and the health degen per one pip, vamp is a good mod. Run it, it heals you and does damage ^-^
I hope I helped.
Valerius
imo... yes they are worth it
here is my current dagger set :
i usually wield Shiro's Blades & Everthorns and then switch to my Zodiacs outside of battle to counter the degen of both weaps
pressing F1, F2 & F3 really isn't that hard
here is my current dagger set :
i usually wield Shiro's Blades & Everthorns and then switch to my Zodiacs outside of battle to counter the degen of both weaps
pressing F1, F2 & F3 really isn't that hard
Rukmedes
If you're using the daggers for Shadow Refuge, use a staff or a bow, preferably a long bow. so you can get the while attacking bonus from it, thus making your healing go faster. you do not have to be doing any damage, just being in the attacking action.
Claymore
If you are in a position where you need the extra healing that badly, you are probably stuck in melee and might as well be using your daggers for the higher attack rate and critical bonuses to energy and health.
Tingi
Shiro's Blades are good because they offer Slashing dmg for daggers instead of the more common Piercing dmg. The only other daggers that hav this are the Chakrams. (not that slashing dmg is any better than piercing, but its nice to have a different type of dmg)
Grandmaster
You guys have all been very helpful, I have one more question. These blades currently go for 60k. Will that price drop? if it does, I might sell them and then buy them later at a cheaper price...
Rukmedes
Just beat the game again if you need money, not like the game is hard ;D
Valerius
well... i see tons of "WTS Amulet of Mists -- 40K" going on... so any "end-game green" is basically going for 40K atm... which is not much at all
but of course prices will continue to drop as time goes on
but of course prices will continue to drop as time goes on