Please ease our pain by telling us if something is being plan by ArenaNet dev to deal with the new emerging AFK leechers in Fort Aspendwood.
Playing just to lose and into the hand of afk leechers aren't exactly a happy thing.
1 afk 7 players, fine.
2 afk 6 players... I hope the opponents are newbs.
3 afk 5 players......... why aren't I leeching as well?
Their population is growing!?
While they are getting richer, legit players are getting more furstrated.
Need an official word.
Vermilion Okeanos
salaboB
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Originally Posted by (JOO)Drogo Boffin
when you come accross this take screenshots so you have their names and when your done spam in every district of every town you go to that they are giving something very valuable away that all anyone has to do to get it is to pm them. that should make you feel better.
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robrobrob
Why aren't you leeching as well, indeed! ANet has officially stated that while afk'ing in Aspenwood makes you a jerk, it is in violation of 0 rules. I'm not saying I agree with that approach, but that is their approach. So, you can accept the afk'ers as an extra challenge (winning with dead weight), afk yourself, or not bother with the missions at all.
That's pretty much what ANet says.
Just another reason to be not-so-impressed with them lately.
That's pretty much what ANet says.
Just another reason to be not-so-impressed with them lately.
Tuoba Hturt Eht
Post your support for ideas regarding how to improve Fort Aspenwood and The Jade Quarry in the following topic:
Fort Aspenwood / Jade Quarry: Increase Rewards, Allow acces to PvP only character
Page 4 of the topic has a discussion going on regarding the "leechers" and "AFKers" in these competitive missions.
http://www.guildwars.com/support/
http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/
I doubt many people would pay attention to what is writen in here:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php
Take note the underlined and bold sentences:
Questions:
1. Did these "leechers" or "AFKers", "respect the rights of others", and "respect the rights of others to play and enjoy the game?
2. Did these "leechers" or "AFKers" caused "distress" to other players?
I would say these "leechers" or "AFKers" are in violation of Rule number 1.
1. They did not respect the rights of others
2. They did not respect the rights of others to play and enjoy the game
3. They caused distress to other players
Fort Aspenwood / Jade Quarry: Increase Rewards, Allow acces to PvP only character
Page 4 of the topic has a discussion going on regarding the "leechers" and "AFKers" in these competitive missions.
http://www.guildwars.com/support/
http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/
I doubt many people would pay attention to what is writen in here:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php
Take note the underlined and bold sentences:
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Guild Wars Rules of Conduct The following rules govern basic interaction within the Guild Wars game and the Guild Wars websites. Please be aware that failure to comply with these rules of conduct may result in the termination of your Guild Wars game account according to the Guild Wars User Agreement. In addition to these rules of conduct, explicit rules affecting your account may be found in the Guild Wars User Agreement. 1. While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. |
1. Did these "leechers" or "AFKers", "respect the rights of others", and "respect the rights of others to play and enjoy the game?
2. Did these "leechers" or "AFKers" caused "distress" to other players?
I would say these "leechers" or "AFKers" are in violation of Rule number 1.
1. They did not respect the rights of others
2. They did not respect the rights of others to play and enjoy the game
3. They caused distress to other players
Kaguya
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Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht
Questions:
1. Did these "leechers" or "AFKers", "respect the rights of others", and "respect the rights of others to play and enjoy the game? 2. Did these "leechers" or "AFKers" caused "distress" to other players? I would say these "leechers" or "AFKers" are in violation of Rule number 1. 1. They did not respect the rights of others 2. They did not respect the rights of others to play and enjoy the game 3. They caused distress to other players |
The "enjoy" part is bit questionable, in a sense yes, it would be that afkers and leechers are preventing one from enjoying the game.. But thenagain, you can still enjoy the game, even if someone is AFK in one's team. It is there-there if it is an actual violation, it's up to ANet how they interpret this rule.
"Distress" is questionable again, you could say people are distressed from having people spam WTS/WTB on local channels. Not everyone panics and gets eyes-flashing-red mad when they see an AFK. Again, up to ANet how they really interpret this rule as well.
Something has to be done, and if some ANet official would bother giving out the final word is AFK really-really against rules would be appreciated. According to some email-pastes from GW GM's say that they aren't violating any rules...
wolfe2dale
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Originally Posted by Kaguya
They are doing nothing, so they don't really violate your rights as a player, you can still play as you want, the AFKer isn't preventing you from doing so.
The "enjoy" part is bit questionable, in a sense yes, it would be that afkers and leechers are preventing one from enjoying the game.. But thenagain, you can still enjoy the game, even if someone is AFK in one's team. It is there-there if it is an actual violation, it's up to ANet how they interpret this rule. "Distress" is questionable again, you could say people are distressed from having people spam WTS/WTB on local channels. Not everyone panics and gets eyes-flashing-red mad when they see an AFK. Again, up to ANet how they really interpret this rule as well. Something has to be done, and if some ANet official would bother giving out the final word is AFK really-really against rules would be appreciated. According to some email-pastes from GW GM's say that they aren't violating any rules... |
No-one is getting something for nothing from me..
Silent Kitty
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Originally Posted by wolfe2dale
I get "Distressed" everytime someone tries to get something for free off the back of my sweat. I will automatically leave any mission with an AFK player in team. I will ask everyone else to re-start with me, but if they don't they will just have to play without me.
No-one is getting something for nothing from me.. |
Vermilion Okeanos
I personally think a value-kicking-system would be good.
Such as...
Someone get vote kicked by all the team members.
This certain someone repeatedly got kick by many different players.
The kick count continue to increase to a certain value.
Once the value is hit, the player account is automatically sumbitted to review by GM of some kind.
The GM can make the final decision whether to ban or not.
There has got to be something wrong with this guy who got kick by thousands of different players.
Right now, I really don't care what will be done... I just want to know if they do see it as a major problem.
Such as...
Someone get vote kicked by all the team members.
This certain someone repeatedly got kick by many different players.
The kick count continue to increase to a certain value.
Once the value is hit, the player account is automatically sumbitted to review by GM of some kind.
The GM can make the final decision whether to ban or not.
There has got to be something wrong with this guy who got kick by thousands of different players.
Right now, I really don't care what will be done... I just want to know if they do see it as a major problem.
Tuoba Hturt Eht
Various proposed methods regarding how to improve these competitive missions can be found here.
Ozric
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Originally Posted by Kaguya
They are doing nothing, so they don't really violate your rights as a player, you can still play as you want, the AFKer isn't preventing you from doing so.
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CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by Kaguya
They are doing nothing, so they don't really violate your rights as a player, you can still play as you want, the AFKer isn't preventing you from doing so.
The "enjoy" part is bit questionable, in a sense yes, it would be that afkers and leechers are preventing one from enjoying the game.. But thenagain, you can still enjoy the game, even if someone is AFK in one's team. It is there-there if it is an actual violation, it's up to ANet how they interpret this rule. "Distress" is questionable again, you could say people are distressed from having people spam WTS/WTB on local channels. Not everyone panics and gets eyes-flashing-red mad when they see an AFK. Again, up to ANet how they really interpret this rule as well. Something has to be done, and if some ANet official would bother giving out the final word is AFK really-really against rules would be appreciated. According to some email-pastes from GW GM's say that they aren't violating any rules... |
Witchblade
let ppl afk to get fpts if they want ... there is no other way to get em easily
it's either 10 minutes of afk-leech or running with the stupid chest for 400 pts for half an hour
my choice d be easily made 
anyway i got no use for fpts, i got my 15k sets already, so i dont give a damn
but if i had to get some points .. i d choose the afk method til something is done
it's either 10 minutes of afk-leech or running with the stupid chest for 400 pts for half an hour
my choice d be easily made anyway i got no use for fpts, i got my 15k sets already, so i dont give a damn
but if i had to get some points .. i d choose the afk method til something is done
Kakumei
Honestly, I don't blame people for AFKing. Getting 10k Luxon faction was pure and utter torture, and I was sorely tempted to afk in Aspenwood quite a few times--there's simply no decent way of getting the faction anymore.
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by Kakumei
Honestly, I don't blame people for AFKing. Getting 10k Luxon faction was pure and utter torture, and I was sorely tempted to afk in Aspenwood quite a few times--there's simply no decent way of getting the faction anymore.
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Kakumei
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Originally Posted by MSecorsky
Really? I got the 10K on quests alone... there's plenty if you go find them. Of course, once you burn all the quests and the repeatable 400 faction ones bore, then it's only PvP style faction gain. Which, as a dedicated PvEr... I'm finding surprisingly entertaining.
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I can't do alliance battles for my faction, being that I belong to a Kurzick alliance.
CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by Witchblade
let ppl afk to get fpts if they want ... there is no other way to get em easily
it's either 10 minutes of afk-leech or running with the stupid chest for 400 pts for half an hour my choice d be easily made anyway i got no use for fpts, i got my 15k sets already, so i dont give a damn but if i had to get some points .. i d choose the afk method til something is done |
Witchblade
cmon the 600 reward for winning is silly
CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by Witchblade
cmon the 600 reward for winning is silly
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Witchblade
it's weird, when u gotta gain Factions Points, the "gotta do yer teamwork part with us" speech comes along ..
BUT, when u need a hand capping elites and completing a mission .. all u got as an answer is stfu noob, need monk only/we help if u pay 100k
i m really amused
BUT, when u need a hand capping elites and completing a mission .. all u got as an answer is stfu noob, need monk only/we help if u pay 100k
i m really amused
CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by Witchblade
it's weird, when u gotta gain Factions Points, the "gotta do yer teamwork part with us" speech comes along .. BUT, when u need a hand capping elites and completing a mission .. all u got as an answer is stfu noob, need monk only/we help if u pay 100k
i m really amused |
On that thought, though, if we have guildies/allies coming I've been known to refuse even monks into the group in order to accommadate our friends. When we have nobody coming on the other hand, I've picked the level 7 ranger that needs that mission and can't find a group as opposed to the level 20s sitting around. The mission unltimately dictates, though, but a 'sorry but we really need so and so' is always better than the 'stfu noob'..
EDIT: On second thought, they are probably all the same people that do those things. If they'll do one, there's no reason why they won't do one of the other things we talked about.
crimsonfilms
First sign of AFKer. I leave. Not worth my time or grief.
robrobrob
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Originally Posted by wolfe2dale
I get "Distressed" everytime someone tries to get something for free off the back of my sweat. I will automatically leave any mission with an AFK player in team. I will ask everyone else to re-start with me, but if they don't they will just have to play without me.
No-one is getting something for nothing from me.. |
Haggard
Isn't beating someone in PvP technically in violation of the rules, considering you aren't allowed to cause distress to other players?
Kaguya
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Originally Posted by Haggard
Isn't beating someone in PvP technically in violation of the rules, considering you aren't allowed to cause distress to other players?
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But the PvE NPCs have killed my char too, they cause me distress
Oh, oh, and when the henchies start acting up, oh boy, talk about distress!
robrobrob
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Originally Posted by Haggard
Isn't beating someone in PvP technically in violation of the rules, considering you aren't allowed to cause distress to other players?
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When PersonB causes distress to PersonC, so PersonB will be happy, PersonB goes "It's the system of the game. If you don't like how it works, don't play PersonC."
Quite amusing if you actually sit back and watch the little kids do that.
Wyvern King
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Originally Posted by Witchblade
it's weird, when u gotta gain Factions Points, the "gotta do yer teamwork part with us" speech comes along ..
BUT, when u need a hand capping elites and completing a mission .. all u got as an answer is stfu noob, need monk only/we help if u pay 100k i m really amused |
When in a PvP team, everyone tells you to pitch in with teamwork like you should. Fair enough
While you want to complete a mission or cap an elite, apparently everyone else should help you even when they don't want to
I have probably misread something, so sorry if so
floppinghog
so dumb, unless you were to bot clicking "enter mission" why would you be playing? there can only be 2 games at once in each apparently, so you click wait, get in, dont play? what the hell could be wrong with them. i play every chance i get its fun as hell having no DP and just beating down ppl lol. yes, and getting the objective done as well.
clicking and watching tv instead or something doesn't seem that much more fun?
maybe they just should setup a /kick command from all the party, and when that happens and they're out, someone who was waiting to join a mission gets in. it seems alot more sensible, maybe have it require 5 people to agree? someone can branch off that idea... i got work in awhile
clicking and watching tv instead or something doesn't seem that much more fun?
maybe they just should setup a /kick command from all the party, and when that happens and they're out, someone who was waiting to join a mission gets in. it seems alot more sensible, maybe have it require 5 people to agree? someone can branch off that idea... i got work in awhile
robrobrob
Why play a pointless mission if you still get faction simply for sitting there? What is the motivation? To show the other team how awesome you are? They don't care. Your own team doesn't care how good you are if you still lose.
So, uh, why should they play, again?
So, uh, why should they play, again?
CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by robrobrob
Why play a pointless mission if you still get faction simply for sitting there? What is the motivation? To show the other team how awesome you are? They don't care. Your own team doesn't care how good you are if you still lose.
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Most people don't get anything tangible out of a video game. It's just there to entertain and have fun. If a person's fun is just showing off how much faction they have or how good their armour is, well they can get a bot running or go to IGE like I said and do it that way. Is the idea to afk this faction so that a person can get high-end armour just to show off to someone, or maybe to get into an elite area and play there? I guess I'm just not understanding this from the other perspective. If it's to get into an elite area then at least it's for a chance to play somewhere else. If it's just for amber/jade to buy and show-off armour, then that person's not doing much more than playing with electronic Barbie dolls.
Vermilion Okeanos
There is a difference between not helping and sabotaging.
People who afk and leech sabotage others; as if instead of sitting there watching, they take a bat and start whacking you with it to kill you faster.
People who don't join others to do elite cap, or make money are just not helping. If they join your party and go afk, they will be sabotaging, not just not helping.
Not helping is just a decision. Sabotaging is forced.
People who afk and leech sabotage others; as if instead of sitting there watching, they take a bat and start whacking you with it to kill you faster.
People who don't join others to do elite cap, or make money are just not helping. If they join your party and go afk, they will be sabotaging, not just not helping.
Not helping is just a decision. Sabotaging is forced.
robrobrob
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Originally Posted by CyberNigma
That's true, but then why play the game? If it's to farm faction, then why farm faction?
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There are reasons for going AFK, I won't claim any of them excuse it, but they're there. Unless ArenaNet revisits this whole PvP-mission-in-PvE, those reasons will always be there.