Because the devs knew that your going to die about 10 million times, and with 60 DP the poor ol'henchies wont have enough energy to cast whatever it is they cast ( REBIRTH IN THE MIDDLE OF A BATTLE ).
Has anyone noticed the healer henchmen is always the last one to die, she does a pretty good job of keeping you herself up but other then that nada ; You can stand there and bleed to death, furiously pinging on your health, and do you know what she will be doing? Attacking the monster... not even the party's target, just a completly different monster. And when all else is dead, IN THE MIDDLE Of the last 10 seconds before the res shrine reses, she starts to use res chant, which is instantly interrupted, afterwords they drop her.
Please, for the love of god, fix the healer and protector henchies. Hell, give them the same bar as the henchies from southern shiverpeaks, those things were atleast decent. Yesterday, I had to do most of the Kurzick quests with these pathetic henchmen, just because no one is ever willing to group up or w/e.
I see why the henchies have a sig of devotion now..
Winds of Blood
Sagaris
I managed to do most of the game with henchies, as an assassin, I finished both the Kurzick and Luxon sides, apart for Unwaking Waters (Kurzick), because I'm too lazy.
If I can do it with an assassin, sure as hell you can do it.
If I can do it with an assassin, sure as hell you can do it.
Stockholm
Lol
Danika is cool, she'll rebirth you right in to a mob off meele' foes, then after battle she'll fix her makeup before rezing and she is the # 1 tank in the game.
I take the Rt henches before a healer hench in Cantha
Danika is cool, she'll rebirth you right in to a mob off meele' foes, then after battle she'll fix her makeup before rezing and she is the # 1 tank in the game.
I take the Rt henches before a healer hench in Cantha
Stalker Haras
Rofl.
I personally like the Canthan Henchies better then Prophesis Henchies healing wise, rezing wise I don't.
I think they should just give the factions henchies the same AI control as the old Prophesis ones. It would save alot of headaches, no matter how good of a tank alesia is!
I personally like the Canthan Henchies better then Prophesis Henchies healing wise, rezing wise I don't.
I think they should just give the factions henchies the same AI control as the old Prophesis ones. It would save alot of headaches, no matter how good of a tank alesia is!
Stabber
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Danika is cool, she'll rebirth you right in to a mob off meele' foes, then after battle she'll fix her makeup before rezing and she is the # 1 tank in the game.
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CyberNigma
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I managed to do most of the game with henchies, as an assassin, I finished both the Kurzick and Luxon sides, apart for Unwaking Waters (Kurzick), because I'm too lazy.
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On the point of what the henchies have (and why they have what they do have), I'm curious as to where the spinal shivers-bearing henchie is, or for that matter henchies carrying spiteful spirit or some kind of minion master. Ele's that I see usually use meteor shower (a non-elite), yet no henchie has it. The henchies definitely do not even come close to representing a fill-in for a missing member. You can finish both games with henchies though (and without candy canes), it just takes time and patience (and the right player builds). A tank with henchies is just going to suck, no way around it (experience-wise). A necro with henchies or even an ele may not have any problem whatsoever. When a tank with a full party(8) of henchies has trouble taking down a lone monk boss (or two bosses as is usually the case in Ab's Mouth) then there's obviously something wrong.
Aera
Ce L L: My health is 480 of 485!
Jamei / Sister Tai: *ORISON OF HEALING - JAMEI'S GAZE - INFUSE HEALTH - HEALING SEED - SIGNET OF DEVOTION - HEAL PARTY*
Ce L L: -_-"
Ce L L: My health is 10 of 485!
Jamei / Sister Tai: ...
Ce L L: My health is 8 of 485!
Ce L L: My health is 5 of 485!
Ce L L: I'm dead!
Jamei / Sister Tai: ...
Ce L L: Grbml...
^^ That's how it usually goes
Jamei / Sister Tai: *ORISON OF HEALING - JAMEI'S GAZE - INFUSE HEALTH - HEALING SEED - SIGNET OF DEVOTION - HEAL PARTY*
Ce L L: -_-"
Ce L L: My health is 10 of 485!
Jamei / Sister Tai: ...
Ce L L: My health is 8 of 485!
Ce L L: My health is 5 of 485!
Ce L L: I'm dead!
Jamei / Sister Tai: ...
Ce L L: Grbml...
^^ That's how it usually goes
Zehnchu
I’ll top that, after the protection monk was rez’ed both it and duh’ika ran off and where running back an forth and didn’t bother coming to rez’ing me.
Zephro
IMO, the Canthan henchies cant hold a candle to the Canthan henchies. At least the Canthan henchie monks aren't res-happy morons that will happily run towards the other dead monk in the middle of 5 mobs to use Restore Life.
I rarely die in Cantha with both the hench monks, unless I aggro 2 mobs accidentally, or a group of Oni suddenly spawn and gang on the poor monks.
Domination Hench (RoF interrupting is awesome), Interrupt Hench, Earth Hench (Ward of Melee, whoo), Longbow Hench with Barrage, Vile Hench with Putrid Explosion (Too bad the elite is Lingering Curse :/). And the Canthan hench monks seem to have some sort of hex/condition removal which is sorely missed in Tyria.
The Spirit Hench is sort of dumb imo. He always puts Shelter in the middle of nowhere, and always seems to die first.
The monk henchies still have a problem with insisting on being tanks, though.
I rarely die in Cantha with both the hench monks, unless I aggro 2 mobs accidentally, or a group of Oni suddenly spawn and gang on the poor monks.
Domination Hench (RoF interrupting is awesome), Interrupt Hench, Earth Hench (Ward of Melee, whoo), Longbow Hench with Barrage, Vile Hench with Putrid Explosion (Too bad the elite is Lingering Curse :/). And the Canthan hench monks seem to have some sort of hex/condition removal which is sorely missed in Tyria.
The Spirit Hench is sort of dumb imo. He always puts Shelter in the middle of nowhere, and always seems to die first.
The monk henchies still have a problem with insisting on being tanks, though.
EF2NYD
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IMO, the Canthan henchies cant hold a candle to the Canthan henchies. At least the Canthan henchie monks aren't res-happy morons that will happily run towards the other dead monk in the middle of 5 mobs to use Restore Life.
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wilebill
Depends on character class, your play style, and what you expect from the henchies, whether you have problems with henchies or not. The henchies are an integrated unit and basically take care of themselves. You the player are an intruder in their integration.
If the healer has to take time out to heal you, then it all goes downhill pretty fast. Henching with a monk probably works best of all. Just keep the henchies alive and they will eventually kill anything.
If you are a caster or archer, then henching is much easier. Keep yourself out of melee, use your own healing, and the henchies work very well indeed. If you are a warrior, carry along something like Elite Endure Pain and your healing signet and keep your hp up there so the healer hench(s) don't waste mana on you, and things will at least work better.
If you're an assassin out alone with the henchies, open fire with a longbow (damage doesn't matter) and stay at range until you see a target of opportunity to shiv and then get out and heal before you suck up the henchie healer's mana. Even better, for solo henching, config your assassin as a ranger secondary archer (see campfire section, assassin forum) and mow down the countryside from range in comfort!
I've henched most of Tyria with a Ranger, a Monk, my warrior, and an ele/mo. The henchies in Factions are an improvement, no doubt of it. The problems I've had with the henchies have been my own fault, not theirs. Call targets for them when you can.
If the healer has to take time out to heal you, then it all goes downhill pretty fast. Henching with a monk probably works best of all. Just keep the henchies alive and they will eventually kill anything.
If you are a caster or archer, then henching is much easier. Keep yourself out of melee, use your own healing, and the henchies work very well indeed. If you are a warrior, carry along something like Elite Endure Pain and your healing signet and keep your hp up there so the healer hench(s) don't waste mana on you, and things will at least work better.
If you're an assassin out alone with the henchies, open fire with a longbow (damage doesn't matter) and stay at range until you see a target of opportunity to shiv and then get out and heal before you suck up the henchie healer's mana. Even better, for solo henching, config your assassin as a ranger secondary archer (see campfire section, assassin forum) and mow down the countryside from range in comfort!
I've henched most of Tyria with a Ranger, a Monk, my warrior, and an ele/mo. The henchies in Factions are an improvement, no doubt of it. The problems I've had with the henchies have been my own fault, not theirs. Call targets for them when you can.
Witchblade
the Factions henchies need a serious fix especially when it comes to the rez job 
most of the time they just stand there, idling and not caring about a dead party member... it takes up to a few MINUTES to get a rez
most of the time they just stand there, idling and not caring about a dead party member... it takes up to a few MINUTES to get a rez
Evilsod
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Domination Hench (RoF interrupting is awesome), Interrupt Hench, Earth Hench (Ward of Melee, whoo), Longbow Hench with Barrage, Vile Hench with Putrid Explosion (Too bad the elite is Lingering Curse :/). And the Canthan hench monks seem to have some sort of hex/condition removal which is sorely missed in Tyria.
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Zehnchu
Professor Gai: needs to work on casting spirit timing of union and shelter they are useless when he casts them out of rang of battle.
Cynn & Eve: not much has changed with them, which is ok you know what to expect form her.
Aidan: I’ve never used him ever….
Devona & Lukas: I wish these two would get a room already, seriously these two stand around eye balling each other while called target battle is going on.
Nika: If it wasn’t for that shadow step out of battle into another mob and agro them skill she would be ok to bring along.
Erys: He’s better then the Distortion casting freak.
Brutus & Sheena: haven’t used them much
Danika (a.k.a Duh’ika): if she wouldn’t let me die, when I am fighting she wont heal me when I just stand there wanting to die she keeps me alive go figure.
Redemptot: Think I know why he wears that huge as helm, it’s like a dunce hat but it keeps the retardedness from spreading to the other henchmen but some time’s it doesn’t work.
Cynn & Eve: not much has changed with them, which is ok you know what to expect form her.
Aidan: I’ve never used him ever….
Devona & Lukas: I wish these two would get a room already, seriously these two stand around eye balling each other while called target battle is going on.
Nika: If it wasn’t for that shadow step out of battle into another mob and agro them skill she would be ok to bring along.
Erys: He’s better then the Distortion casting freak.
Brutus & Sheena: haven’t used them much
Danika (a.k.a Duh’ika): if she wouldn’t let me die, when I am fighting she wont heal me when I just stand there wanting to die she keeps me alive go figure.
Redemptot: Think I know why he wears that huge as helm, it’s like a dunce hat but it keeps the retardedness from spreading to the other henchmen but some time’s it doesn’t work.
salaboB
Remember: Calling your health does nothing to trigger henchman healing.
You'll be a lot less frustrated if you don't think you can control them, and believe me: You can't make them do anything their AI hasn't already decided its going to do.
You'll be a lot less frustrated if you don't think you can control them, and believe me: You can't make them do anything their AI hasn't already decided its going to do.
IllusiveMind
I love Eli, "Hit them on the squishy parts!"
ROFL.
ROFL.
Shadow-Hunter
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Aidan: I’ve never used him ever….
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while henching hells with my Ranger, then he dident do the Mehenlo rez trick (Run into group of 4 fists of titans + undead rurik + 2 imps to rez lina) and he is ALLWAYS the last hench standing after a hench wipe.. ~Shadow
Mercury Angel
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Aidan is the best hench ever
while henching hells with my Ranger, then he dident do the Mehenlo rez trick (Run into group of 4 fists of titans + undead rurik + 2 imps to rez lina) and he is ALLWAYS the last hench standing after a hench wipe.. ~Shadow |
He attacks from a distance, so doesn't aggro as much, and hits the called target with ease, due to his ranged attacks, without the annoying in-battle pathfinding issues that the melee hench suffer from.
He's meh, but for his mediocrity, he gives you a reliable performance, without nearly as many issues as most of the other hench.
Young Hero
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Remember: Calling your health does nothing to trigger henchman healing.
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Heres a frustrating screen of the 7 part mission, to get to the first mission Vizunah Square.
Now my b/p Ranger was the first character I took through Factions.Didn't change anything and must have used "Rebirth" on henchies 1001 times.Kinda miss getting "Shield of Regeneration" cast on me.
MMSDome
i agree henchies do suck, but thats a whole new level of playing wjhen you use hecnhies, they werent meant to be as good as real people. Henchies are going to be the leading cause of depression, frustration, and school shootings. None of that is A-Nets fault however, find a real group 
Omega X
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Lol
Danika is cool, she'll rebirth you right in to a mob off meele' foes, then after battle she'll fix her makeup before rezing and she is the # 1 tank in the game. |
Cherng Butter
I play a minion master in Cantha, and I only use real people for missions...and I have never had trouble with any of the henchies. I typically mow down scores of mobs over and over without anybody dropping (even when I don't have a minion army with me at the time...)
I personally find myself dying with PUGs, and not with henchies, though my profession probably has a lot to do with it...
I personally find myself dying with PUGs, and not with henchies, though my profession probably has a lot to do with it...
Whiplashr
On the subject of henchies and stupid skill usage.. they need to remove Fire Storm from Cynn and other mage henchies that have it.
While we're at it, how about just remove the skill from the game altogether. It's become worthless and useless.
No one likes chasing down monsters that are fleeing. People, when forming groups, go out of their way to insist no one bring this skill. People scream bloody murder when someone DOES use it, because they hate all the enemies scattering.
In many areas of Factions, the hench selection is pretty bad. I hate being a position where Cynn or some other mage becomes a necessary evil. It never works out. I get sick of chasing down the enemies too.. so I end up having to take a different type of team than what I want.
I really wish ANET would wake up and realize how badly they screwed up when they introduced the AOE nerfs. NO ONE use this skill anymore.
While we're at it, how about just remove the skill from the game altogether. It's become worthless and useless.
No one likes chasing down monsters that are fleeing. People, when forming groups, go out of their way to insist no one bring this skill. People scream bloody murder when someone DOES use it, because they hate all the enemies scattering.
In many areas of Factions, the hench selection is pretty bad. I hate being a position where Cynn or some other mage becomes a necessary evil. It never works out. I get sick of chasing down the enemies too.. so I end up having to take a different type of team than what I want.
I really wish ANET would wake up and realize how badly they screwed up when they introduced the AOE nerfs. NO ONE use this skill anymore.
TurinPT
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IMO, the Canthan henchies cant hold a candle to the Canthan henchies.
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and why all the hench bashing, I find them pretty good healers.
did most of the missions with only me and the heal hench as healers and most of the time I just stand and call targets, she does most of the healing by herself. =|
makosi
There should be a petition to bring Lina to Cantha. She was the best.
Evilsod
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He uses Kindle Arrows + Dual Shot + Power Shot to pump out mediocre amounts of damage, Practiced Stance to extend the duration of Kindle Arrows, and Troll Unguent for healing.
He attacks from a distance, so doesn't aggro as much, and hits the called target with ease, due to his ranged attacks, without the annoying in-battle pathfinding issues that the melee hench suffer from. He's meh, but for his mediocrity, he gives you a reliable performance, without nearly as many issues as most of the other hench. |
I can't say i've used Aidan recently, but thats because i've been using my ranger alot with henchman. If i use another class, in pops Aidan. At least he's not an utter cretin like the rest of them. For a start i'm sure he's the only henchman that actually flees AoE and kites when huge warriors come after him. And more to the point, he has NO MELEE RANGE SKILLS. Healing Touch.... Blood Ritual.... that erm, touch RoF Lina seems to do alot.
Theres just 1 thing i don't get. Why is it when Dunham is standing still he casts Distortion all the time, yet when your running well ahead of the henchman, he doesn't bother? He's getting hit by projectiles from all angles yet will never once cast Distortion till he catches upto you...
Out of interest, do the henchman still have Purge Signet like they did in the FPE?
Mercury Angel
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If you were actually expecting him to be godly in damage dealing i'd say theres something wrong with you. He's a ranger, at the best of times they're purely support. Although he could've used a slightly better elite... I never understood there reasoning for choosing Practiced as his elite.
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And I agree on the Practiced Stance. Kindle Arrows has a decent duration, and the recharge was never an issue.
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I can't say i've used Aidan recently, but thats because i've been using my ranger alot with henchman. If i use another class, in pops Aidan. At least he's not an utter cretin like the rest of them. For a start i'm sure he's the only henchman that actually flees AoE and kites when huge warriors come after him. And more to the point, he has NO MELEE RANGE SKILLS. Healing Touch.... Blood Ritual.... that erm, touch RoF Lina seems to do alot.
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Aidan nearly always finds a spot on my team in Tyria as well, when I'm henching.
I will never say he does a spectacular job, because he doesn't. But as far as henchmen go, he's dependable, predictable, and he gets the job done. And in the end, that's all I ask out of my henchies.
Phades
They could have made a gameshow out of one single question.
What will alesia do next?
Ill take claude using blood ritual for 200 alex.
Chase him around attempting to use healing touch. Of course he is using blood ritual on stephan and little thom, DOH!
The skill selections on the factions henchies are far better than before and the only real grievances i see are when the henchies actually try to res and when a ritualist hench decides to drop a spirit. The henchies in Zaishen challenge are mostly reliable by comparison, when it comes to using resurect skills.
What will alesia do next?
Ill take claude using blood ritual for 200 alex.
Chase him around attempting to use healing touch. Of course he is using blood ritual on stephan and little thom, DOH!
The skill selections on the factions henchies are far better than before and the only real grievances i see are when the henchies actually try to res and when a ritualist hench decides to drop a spirit. The henchies in Zaishen challenge are mostly reliable by comparison, when it comes to using resurect skills.
Omega X
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They could have made a gameshow out of one single question.
What will alesia do next? Ill take claude using blood ritual for 200 alex. Chase him around attempting to use healing touch. Of course he is using blood ritual on stephan and little thom, DOH! |
Arkantos
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Yesterday, I had to do most of the Kurzick quests with these pathetic henchmen, just because no one is ever willing to group up or w/e.
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Avarre
The hench are kinda useless, kinda Ok. Depends on area.
Except Erys Vasburg. Anyone who thinks 'meh' about him hasn't used him...
Lukas isn't too bad either. The only problem I have with hench is they like to stay close, and eat triple Star Bursts together.
Except Erys Vasburg. Anyone who thinks 'meh' about him hasn't used him...
Lukas isn't too bad either. The only problem I have with hench is they like to stay close, and eat triple Star Bursts together.
Theos
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The hench are kinda useless, kinda Ok. Depends on area.
Except Erys Vasburg. Anyone who thinks 'meh' about him hasn't used him... Lukas isn't too bad either. The only problem I have with hench is they like to stay close, and eat triple Star Bursts together. |
Xellos
Henchmen beating the entire game period is possible. However, that doesn't mean that henchmen don't suck. Anyone thinking otherwise needs to go grab their guilds precious GvG ranking and start using Henchways.
The AI of henchmen can be buffed. Whether or not is up to Anet. Buffing it up to something that doesn't match the average PvE player would be a god's send for some, but it would kill off any need to play with others ( some of us already don't bother at all ). There is some logic to restrain from upgrading the AI, but overall, if A.net wasn't so lazy, they'd just remake the whole henchmen AI into something that doesn't suck.
AI is probably the hardest gaming factor to perfect in the world. No game has a good AI so far. Even the ones that you BELIEVE is good, are actually just longer codes. The AIs don't actually think, they do what their built to do. What that means is either A) you shove a HUGE code per possibility so all the bases are covered or B) you just give some basic crap and we have henchies using sig of devotion with incredibly small divine stats and follow beside you taking melee hits just because your a melee characters.
At this point, anyone with enough patience and a bit of skill can beat every part of the game with henchmen. However, it is incredibly hard, almost impossible perhaps to finish things perfectly (such as getting all the master rewards on all missions or finishing legendary survivor). The AI is simply too much of a joke right now.
I don't see what's wrong if you just shove the henchies a few levels higher later. Their lack of common skills and decent builds should make up for the fact that they are bosses at that point. I mean really, do you think a lvl 22 monk is going to make all the difference in the world when she still runs into impossible odds from you being a melee character? COURSE, she might LIVE instead of getting ONE SHOTTED.
The AI of henchmen can be buffed. Whether or not is up to Anet. Buffing it up to something that doesn't match the average PvE player would be a god's send for some, but it would kill off any need to play with others ( some of us already don't bother at all ). There is some logic to restrain from upgrading the AI, but overall, if A.net wasn't so lazy, they'd just remake the whole henchmen AI into something that doesn't suck.
AI is probably the hardest gaming factor to perfect in the world. No game has a good AI so far. Even the ones that you BELIEVE is good, are actually just longer codes. The AIs don't actually think, they do what their built to do. What that means is either A) you shove a HUGE code per possibility so all the bases are covered or B) you just give some basic crap and we have henchies using sig of devotion with incredibly small divine stats and follow beside you taking melee hits just because your a melee characters.
At this point, anyone with enough patience and a bit of skill can beat every part of the game with henchmen. However, it is incredibly hard, almost impossible perhaps to finish things perfectly (such as getting all the master rewards on all missions or finishing legendary survivor). The AI is simply too much of a joke right now.
I don't see what's wrong if you just shove the henchies a few levels higher later. Their lack of common skills and decent builds should make up for the fact that they are bosses at that point. I mean really, do you think a lvl 22 monk is going to make all the difference in the world when she still runs into impossible odds from you being a melee character? COURSE, she might LIVE instead of getting ONE SHOTTED.
Hidden in the Mist
If you run, the healer henchies won't do anything except trying to catch up to you. That means, no healing or anything; just running up to you.
Asplode
Henchies aren't meant to simulate real people. Henchies are more like a... soy-based Player substitute, side effects include vomiting, nausea, inexplicable rage, thoughts of suicide, and death. Henchman aren't meant for everyone, consult your doctor before use.
salaboB
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Ill take claude using blood ritual for 200 alex.
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I once spent most of a mission chasing her around, she was actually running away from me whenever I got close.
Why? I have no idea. But it made it hard to give her more energy.
generik
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Except Erys Vasburg. Anyone who thinks 'meh' about him hasn't used him...
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If anything it has proven to me that my mesmer is worthless!
Maria The Princess
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Danika does not have Rebirth. You are thinking of Redemptor Karl. Also, on the whole, she is the best healer henchman Guild Wars has yet seen (mainly because she doesn't use Healing Touch or Signet of Devotion).
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Lord Sojar
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Devona & Lukas: I wish these two would get a room already, seriously these two stand around eye balling each other while called target battle is going on.
Erys: He’s better then the Distortion casting freak. Danika (a.k.a Duh’ika): if she wouldn’t let me die, when I am fighting she wont heal me when I just stand there wanting to die she keeps me alive go figure. Redemptot: Think I know why he wears that huge as helm, it’s like a dunce hat but it keeps the retardedness from spreading to the other henchmen but some time’s it doesn’t work. |
Zehnchu
It must be just me who gets to experience these grand moments playing with henchmen. Seem that they don’t feel like attacking called target either.
Guess Redemptot anti-retard helm wasn’t working right, because he took four other henchmen with him on a suicide mission.
Guess Redemptot anti-retard helm wasn’t working right, because he took four other henchmen with him on a suicide mission.