Profession Changer in Guild Hall, Change 2nd Profession on "Hero window" [H]

Lordhelmos

Lordhelmos

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Sentients of Shadow (noir)

Me/E

/signed, a great idea. I hate warping to the desert right before a GvG just for a prof change.

Kool Pajamas

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

No reason not to sign this

/signed

I think it should be for pvp characters too.

Lord Pharoah

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

EastCoast USA

Lords Of Mastery

R/

yes I agree we need this one ^^

malignant-heretic

malignant-heretic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

UK

UH - UNHOLY

N/

/Signed

although i do think this would cause a few problems with lower level chars changing their 2ndary with out having to work ofr it and i do think that if thi does come into play it shud be more than 100k but be able to pay for it in little bits ie: 150k: pay 100k and the price drops down to 50k [ 150-100=50 put simply]

or have it so that the proffession changer NPC wont talk to your chars unless they are ascended/or been to senjis corner.[ cept for pvp ]

Lady Lozza

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oz

Angel Sharks

Me/N

/signed
I'll even volunteer to pay the 50-100k for my guild to get one.

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Deimos Tel Arin [CCTV]

W/

Reference threads:

06-05-2006 | Death3D | Guild Hall Additions!
04-29-2006 | =HT=Ingram |Profession Changer NPC Options
04-29-2006 | Trance Addict | Something that wouldn't be completely useless in a Guild Hall.
05-10-2006 | Lord Pharoah | Am I the only person who wants a profession changer in the guild hall?
05-25-2006 | deluxe | Profession Changer in Guildhall

01-30-2006 | Kai Nui | Final Straw On Secondary

After going through all those threads, I concluded that, we have 2 options:

1. Add Secondary Profession Changer in Guild Hall
- Gold must be spent to acquire this NPC for the Guild Hall
- Can only change professions unlocked by the character

2. Give characters ability to change secondary profession on the "Hero window" [H]
- Can only change while in towns or outposts
- Must have unlocked all the professions first
- Must complete a quest to acquire this ability
- Inherent ability for PvP-only characters

Poll: (you like these ideas and would like to see ANET implement them)
1. Add 2nd Profession Changer in Guild Hall. Yes / No
Yes (109)
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Tuoba Hturt Eht, =HT=Ingram, Lord Pharoah, xjej, Poison Ivy, Dr Strangelove, Dougal Kronik, Tien ak, Misa, Markaedw, Tarun, MasterDinadan, shardfenix, Sientir, Eviance, TheGuildWarsPenguin, Katari, Replicant, Mandy Memory, sinisters chaos, zerowingcats, Dark Psychotik, Gem, Eosol, Chillin-N-Killin, DarkGanni, Loralai, gameshoes3003, TheOneMephisto, Dark Suoon, Lordhelmos, Kool Pajamas, malignant-heretic, Lady Lozza, Trance Addict, Stolen Souls, Sheol, mint, Ristaron, Zui, Wyvern King, Undivine, Thallandor, Gizmo Loco, Kaldor Meshekal, TheYellowKid, TheLordOfBlah, -LiamB, skretth, mega_jamie, zaza, bulletsmile, Blaarg, Opeth11, Enzeru, Replicant, R A C, Don Zardeone, Relnor, BahamutKaiser, Maria The Princess, Synxernal, kilkelo, Scott42, got lah, Isis Mordecai, Vermilion, BloodBuckle, SaintGreg, Edge Martinez, Minus Sign, Sasori, DarkTyrael, mgrifram, swordfisher, reverse_oreo, Static, Shoeth, JR-, misthero, hyro yamaguchi, Mr Wolfmaster, deluxe, Gargle Blaster, Wrath Of Dragons, UltimaXtreme, BrotherGilburt, bilateralrope, Trylo, Priest Of Sin, Taurus, William Stark, Jintai Kishokan, Sphinx2k, Ado, Sanji, Guildmaster Cain, Terra Xin, Retribution X, Teh Diablo, Death3D, Imp, neorampage, Joh, darrylhaines, ArTy, pkodyssey, xnightmythx, Valerius

No (2)
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lightblade, echo envitas

2. Allow characters to change 2nd Profession at will. Yes / No
Yes (33)
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Tuoba Hturt Eht, Kai Nui, Reflex Dragonfire, awesome sauce, Fallen_Angel_Crimson, brybry, Carinae Dragonblood, Retro Knight, Shoujo, Nater, derrtyboy69, striderkaaru, Guardian of the Light, PrincessKyra, viper008, EternalTempest, Y.T., generik, Rilder, SilenceWeaver, Martian, Cjlr, Epinephrine, bilateralrope, Ado, Sanji, Gem, Tarun, Retribution X, Teh Diablo, Imp, neorampage, darrylhaines

No (2)
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actionjack, Manic Smile

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

Put me down as yes for both options

Ado

Ado

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Den Haag

[cute]

Mo/Me

Both /signed. Both in GvG and HA it's annoying not being able to change your second profession. It all saves us time and the result is the same as rerolling.

Sanji

Sanji

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

Yes on both.

Gem

Gem

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Finland

Running Rangers

R/

Yes for both!

Guildmaster Cain

Guildmaster Cain

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Guildmistress Eve [Me], Guildmistress Azura [N], Guildmistress Azumi [A], Guildmistress Jaina [D]

Guildmaster Aeron [Rt], Arthas Ironfist [W], Guild: The Tyrian Templars [TTT]

Yes on first!

Dunno/dummind on second!

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

/signed on first one only

the second one is grey, if you can change your profession at will, how on earth can you force 'yourself' to lose one piece of information and gain another?. Though it makes slightly more sense to have someone else do it, it's still more sense.

Lexar

Lexar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Organised Spam

W/

Signed on both. Made an topic about it myself many months ago actually.

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Deimos Tel Arin [CCTV]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra Xin
if you can change your profession at will, how on earth can you force 'yourself' to lose one piece of information and gain another?.
Meditation.
Google Search "define: meditation"
Quote:
# a technique of balance utilising focus, directed attention or awareness in duration.
www.synchronicity.org.au/Glossaryp.html

# the act relaxing the body and focusing one's mind on a specific target or goal.
members.aol.com/fadeddragn/dictionary.html
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Though it makes slightly more sense to have someone else do it, it's still more sense.
It does not make senses that we cannot do it ourselves. Especially if we compare our heroes to the ghosts in the deserts, they failed to ascend, while we succeeded.

Tarun

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/

Yes to both

Tarun

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Katari
/signed!

I hate having to map all over the place just to change secondary >_<
If you have Factions and have Senji's Corner, that is the best place to go to change them.

Undivine

Undivine

of Brackenwood

Join Date: Oct 2005

Ontario, Canada

Hang on, why is everyone /signing both exactly? I mean, one makes the other redundant. If you can change your secondary in the [H]ero window why would you need to visit a class changer?

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Deimos Tel Arin [CCTV]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undivine
Hang on, why is everyone /signing both exactly?
Aye, if ANET is unable, or chooses not to implement the 2nd option, then at least the 1st option could be implemented.
Quote:
I mean, one makes the other redundant.
Well, it may not be entirely redundant though. The Profession Changer in Guild Hall would be still be used until all the members have completed the quest to change 2nd profession at will. It could be made such that, that quest is only available in the late game, perhaps maybe completed the last mission, etc.
Quote:
If you can change your secondary in the [H]ero window why would you need to visit a class changer?
This is correct, but ANET may not be able to implement the change 2nd profession at will idea, and we will have to settle for the 1st option, which is having a 2nd profession changer in the guild hall.

These votes can be used as an indication that there is a strong demand for a more convenient way of changing our 2nd professions.

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Check behind you again.

N/

/Sign Both. Add one like Senji to the GH. Must be lvl 20 to change though.

Teh Diablo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Yes to both, they are both a good idea.

echo envitas

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

E/W

Actually, it would be a waste of valuable developer time imho...

We already have everything at our disposal -we can map anywhere we want immediately, we can reallocate our attribute points on the fly for free...
The fact that we even CAN change our secondaries is amazing, coming from a longtime MMORG player.

I think you are asking too much.

Also, I think things like that take something away from the game. This game already lacks immersion enough.

/Adamantly Not signed

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Deimos Tel Arin [CCTV]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by echo envitas
Actually, it would be a waste of valuable developer time imho...
Aye, that is only your opinion, however.

Quote:
We already have everything at our disposal
Not quite. Unless you are refering to PvP-only characters. We still have to work to get those "everything".
Quote:
-we can map anywhere we want immediately,
Wonderful feature aye? I love this fast travel thingie.
Quote:
we can reallocate our attribute points on the fly for free...
Yup, I love this too. I'm very happy that the refund points system was abolished.
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The fact that we even CAN change our secondaries is amazing,
I find this quite amazing myself when I first discovered this fact.
Quote:
coming from a longtime MMORG player.
Guild Wars is not your standard MMORPG I would say.
Quote:
I think you are asking too much.
People always ask for more.
Quote:
I think things like that take something away from the game.
I think things like this adds something more to the game.
Quote:
This game already lacks immersion enough.
Really? How so?
Quote:
/Adamantly Not signed
I must congratulate you for being the 2nd forum member for not signing this suggestion.

Profession Changer in Guild Hall, Change 2nd Profession on "Hero window" [H]

100 voted Yes
2 voted No (you included)

Cheers.

echo envitas

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

E/W

that was abit nasty dontcha think?

I think its funny that as soon as someone voices a dissenting opinion you literally jump all over it and parse it to pieces.
I'm entitled to an opinion. And I think this game community would be alot better if everyone respected everyone else.

and this isn't a vote, if you'd like real numbers open up a poll.

cheers.

Undivine

Undivine

of Brackenwood

Join Date: Oct 2005

Ontario, Canada

Well for one thing, he said "/not signed" and you began to argue with him. Let's argue with everyone who said /signed as well, hey?

Frankly I understand his position. Guild Wars does lack immersion and a lot of the roleplaying aspect you typically get in "roleplaying" games. Things like the huge amount of class flexibility we have, proffesion changing, slot-machine drops, and even map travel, take away from the sense that this is an adventure and add to the sense that this is a hack n' slash. Still, I think it's silly to pretend Guild Wars is anything but a hack n' slash, albeit a well balanced one with a meaningful combat system. The game is riding on its combat system and little else. That's why I originally /signed for option 1 in one of the threads you linked. Because this just isn't the game some of us wish we were playing, and there's little point in pretending.

Though, I am addicted, so... meh.

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Deimos Tel Arin [CCTV]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by echo envitas
that was abit nasty dontcha think?
Nasty? Why would you say that?
Quote:
I'm entitled to an opinion.
You are, and you already voiced your opinion when you posted in this thread.
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and this isn't a vote,
Erm I don't understand this, when people write /signed in their posts, it means that they agree with this idea. Why it isn't a vote?
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if you'd like real numbers open up a poll
There is a poll on the thread that I started, the numbers are real, I do not understand why you keep saying that.

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Deimos Tel Arin [CCTV]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undivine
he said "/not signed" and you began to argue with him.
But I'm doing it politely! Well, I think. I have spent much time finding the reference threads, collecting the votes and formating this thread, I do believe I have the right to "defend" this thread, aye.
Quote:
Let's argue with everyone who said /signed as well, hey?
I don't wanna do that! They agree with me!

Aye, Guild Wars is not our "standard RPG", that is the best way to describe it, methinks.

Anyway, I am just presenting the facts that I found in GwG.

The fact is that there are 100 people who agrees to that there should be a profession changer in the guild hall.

Cheers.

Imp

Imp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Novum Igneus [NI]

Rt/

/sign for both

Being able to do it in the hero window would be a godsend for pve and pvp.

neorampage

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

/signed

Joh

Joh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Sweden

Lucid Dreams [LD]

Yes on first (was just gonna suggest it myself ), partly yes on second. I want it only to be available for PvP chars.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Retribution X
/Sign Both. Add one like Senji to the GH. Must be lvl 20 to change though.
Bah, shouldn't it be enough to be Ascended if you're from Tyria? If you're from Cantha I think you should've become Weh No Su. Cause I was lvl 14 after ascending my monk, and I could change profession after that, so why shouldn't one be able to in guild-hall (assuming you've unlocked the profession for that char)?

darrylhaines

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Freedom Of Midnight

E/

/signed

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Deimos Tel Arin [CCTV]

W/

Can we keep all the votes and signatures in this thread instead?
The results of the poll is originally posted on page 3.

Post No. 46

Reference threads:

06-05-2006 | Death3D | Guild Hall Additions!
04-29-2006 | =HT=Ingram |Profession Changer NPC Options
04-29-2006 | Trance Addict | Something that wouldn't be completely useless in a Guild Hall.
05-10-2006 | Lord Pharoah | Am I the only person who wants a profession changer in the guild hall?
05-25-2006 | deluxe | Profession Changer in Guildhall

01-30-2006 | Kai Nui | Final Straw On Secondary

After going through all those threads, I concluded that, we have 2 options:

1. Add Secondary Profession Changer in Guild Hall
- Gold must be spent to acquire this NPC for the Guild Hall
- Can only change professions unlocked by the character

2. Give characters ability to change secondary profession on the "Hero window" [H]
- Can only change while in towns or outposts
- Must have unlocked all the professions first
- Must complete a quest to acquire this ability
- Inherent ability for PvP-only characters

Poll: (you like these ideas and would like to see ANET implement them)
1. Add 2nd Profession Changer in Guild Hall. Yes / No
Yes (109)
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Tuoba Hturt Eht, =HT=Ingram, Lord Pharoah, xjej, Poison Ivy, Dr Strangelove, Dougal Kronik, Tien ak, Misa, Markaedw, Tarun, MasterDinadan, shardfenix, Sientir, Eviance, TheGuildWarsPenguin, Katari, Replicant, Mandy Memory, sinisters chaos, zerowingcats, Dark Psychotik, Gem, Eosol, Chillin-N-Killin, DarkGanni, Loralai, gameshoes3003, TheOneMephisto, Dark Suoon, Lordhelmos, Kool Pajamas, malignant-heretic, Lady Lozza, Trance Addict, Stolen Souls, Sheol, mint, Ristaron, Zui, Wyvern King, Undivine, Thallandor, Gizmo Loco, Kaldor Meshekal, TheYellowKid, TheLordOfBlah, -LiamB, skretth, mega_jamie, zaza, bulletsmile, Blaarg, Opeth11, Enzeru, Replicant, R A C, Don Zardeone, Relnor, BahamutKaiser, Maria The Princess, Synxernal, kilkelo, Scott42, got lah, Isis Mordecai, Vermilion, BloodBuckle, SaintGreg, Edge Martinez, Minus Sign, Sasori, DarkTyrael, mgrifram, swordfisher, reverse_oreo, Static, Shoeth, JR-, misthero, hyro yamaguchi, Mr Wolfmaster, deluxe, Gargle Blaster, Wrath Of Dragons, UltimaXtreme, BrotherGilburt, bilateralrope, Trylo, Priest Of Sin, Taurus, William Stark, Jintai Kishokan, Sphinx2k, Ado, Sanji, Guildmaster Cain, Terra Xin, Retribution X, Teh Diablo, Death3D, Imp, neorampage, Joh, darrylhaines, ArTy, pkodyssey, xnightmythx, Valerius

No (2)
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lightblade, echo envitas

2. Allow characters to change 2nd Profession at will. Yes / No
Yes (33)
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Tuoba Hturt Eht, Kai Nui, Reflex Dragonfire, awesome sauce, Fallen_Angel_Crimson, brybry, Carinae Dragonblood, Retro Knight, Shoujo, Nater, derrtyboy69, striderkaaru, Guardian of the Light, PrincessKyra, viper008, EternalTempest, Y.T., generik, Rilder, SilenceWeaver, Martian, Cjlr, Epinephrine, bilateralrope, Ado, Sanji, Gem, Tarun, Retribution X, Teh Diablo, Imp, neorampage, darrylhaines

No (2)
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actionjack, Manic Smile

Caleb

Caleb

Nil nisi malis terrori.

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/Me

I would like to see both added as options.

Maria The Princess

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

/signed 1000000 times

Captain Arne Is PRO

Captain Arne Is PRO

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

I Read The Title And Gave It 'the' Most Important Stamp Of Approval.

/signed.

Sciros Darkblade

Sciros Darkblade

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Ohio

Archons Ascendant [Arch] - Leader

W/

A profession changer in the Guild Hall would be one of the most appreciated additions to the game that could possibly be done. People re-roll characters for GVG or Alliance Battles all the time. This would certainly cut down on travel required, wait time for other teammates, etc. Some restrictions would need to be put into place (none for PVP chars, whatever secondaries you have "unlocked" per PVM char) but the effort would be well worth it IMO.

I understand that a profession changer from the get-go might seem a bit strange (as far as storyline progression goes) for someone new to PVM and unfamiliar with PVP who instantly joins a guild with unlocked NPCs in the GH, but then again the same can be said for the Alliance Battles NPC.

/signed

Shinto Sharingan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

Zealots of Shiverpeak

W/

I agree 100% with Sciros. If asking for a prof changer in Hero Window is too much, then you could have a prof changer in the GH, and if that's too much, he should be hire-able.

/signed

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Couldn't care less about 1 in the guild hall, why would it matter if you had 1 in your Hero menu

/signed for Hero Menu changer

Getting so sick of having to add the henchman again and again when i need to change professions to cap elites since Senjis Corner has so few from Kurzick/Luxon side or need to find a Materials/Rune Trader...

Deviant Angel

Deviant Angel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

On a boat!

Homeless.

Mo/

<-- nodding in agreement

/signed

ArTy

ArTy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Australia

Overclockers Australia [OCAU]

Put me down also for the [H] menu changer. It would make all our lives much easier. I mean we can do it in the desert anyway, so just let us do it anywhere! C'mon Anet

aaronsgh

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Warrior's Isle

Negative Zero [nO]

W/Mo

if its gonna be any easier, might as well have skill tabs for each prof in hero panel

then by inserting secondary skills into your bar your prof auto changes... also removes any skills of previous sec prof from your bar.