Ok, let me start off by saying not everyone farms i know. I also know that not all areas are dead.
I do however think they killed farming. Take for instance the ecto. Who hasnt gotten an ecto latly? Now that decreases the value ALOT! Now onto other things. Like for instance 55 Monk/55 Necro/Tank farming of trolls. How in the world can anyone be happy killing lvl20^ creatures and getting 99% blue/white drops. This isnt just in troll caves eather.
Now i want to bring up other points. Anet doesnt allow gold selling legally. Which makes anyone who does buy gold have to pay an arm and a leg. Personally i dont want or need to buy that gold. It does seem like its coming to that though. I run a group of farmers "Farm the World Guild". We farm from tombs, sorrows furnace, trolls, griffens, factions locations, and UW/FoW. The farming has gone to crap and i am tired of it.
For instance, who cant get an ecto so the price dropped. I used to get atleast 1 black dye a week. Havnt gotten one since factions came out. Yet the game company has limited the supplies merchants can sell. They also nerfed half the farming abilities. Then they never lowered the prices on goods such as armour and weapons at smiths.
I think this is about the end of what i can take. It used to be that if you wanted a good weapon you went farming and went out and bought it. Now finding a good mod or weapon is like hunting the red october.
I dont sit around and brag about farming or what i have from farming. Neather do i sell my gold. Though these game devolpers are stopping me from being able to earn gold. I used to make 30k a day troll farming for 9 hours. It will now take me 4 days to earn that.
All i am getting at is this. The nerfing must stop!
P.S. I was told to come voice my opinion on the dev corner here so i could get my opinion out and show that i am not the only one tired of the nerfing.
Farming a Dead art?
AtiSanders
nohooiam
sounds like you played the pve end game to death.
might i suggest pvp?
might i suggest pvp?
Griff Mon
You have to be flexible and adapt. I used to farm ettins for runes, but it just doesn't pay anymore.
I found a new area that fits the changing market of materials to better suit the new demands that are out there. And there are no bot farmers there, so it is still good.
And I am not telling anyone where it is.
I found a new area that fits the changing market of materials to better suit the new demands that are out there. And there are no bot farmers there, so it is still good.
And I am not telling anyone where it is.
AtiSanders
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sounds like you played the pve end game to death.
might i suggest pvp? LOL.....i do play Alliance battles. I find them fun and the only way to cool off after all the blue and white drops.
might i suggest pvp? LOL.....i do play Alliance battles. I find them fun and the only way to cool off after all the blue and white drops.
Loviatar
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Though these game devolpers are stopping me from being able to earn gold. I used to make 30k a day troll farming for 9 hours. It will now take me 4 days to earn that.
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so what
you are not getting as rich as you think you deserve to be and big whoopie .
ebay isnt happy with it either so let the nerfs begin
and 9 hours?
get compulsive dont be a casual farmer...........18 hours minimum
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so whatyou are not getting as rich as you think you deserve to be and big whoopie .
ebay isnt happy with it either so let the nerfs begin
and 9 hours?
get compulsive dont be a casual farmer...........18 hours minimum
AtiSanders
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so whatyou are not getting as rich as you think you deserve to be and big whoopie .
ebay isnt happy with it either so let the nerfs begin
Its not about being rich. Ok think about it this way. Without farming there is no one to buy what mods and weapons you sell. Without you selling and buying those weapons you dont get what you want. Basicly people are going to turn to the gold selling companies and then we all end up screwed.Also its not about the gold really its about the aspect that with all the new weapons and items people are trying to buy and sell. they nerfed the ways we earn gold so then its really becomeing a dead market.
Sagius Truthbarron
The drops aren't getting worse, you are farming in areas where everyone else is. Pretty sure that the ammount of people that farm an area has an effect on the drops.
If you go and do chest runs in Factions areas you can get items worth millions of gold. The problem is selling them. Becuase the only drops that give good money and drop commonly are weapons, and not items which can be sold to NPCs, there is a lack of hard cash floating around in the game's economy.
Solution: Amber. Jade. Ecto. Shards. Weapons.
Of course, the first four will be exhausted in time. Perhaps people will start resorting to just trading items and minipets instead of actually using money >.>
If you go and do chest runs in Factions areas you can get items worth millions of gold. The problem is selling them. Becuase the only drops that give good money and drop commonly are weapons, and not items which can be sold to NPCs, there is a lack of hard cash floating around in the game's economy.
Solution: Amber. Jade. Ecto. Shards. Weapons.
Of course, the first four will be exhausted in time. Perhaps people will start resorting to just trading items and minipets instead of actually using money >.>
lyra_song
Solo farming may have taken a nerf, but group farming will always be around.
Take a group of close friends and do high level missions or fow, or uw. Bring lotsa keys.
Take a group of close friends and do high level missions or fow, or uw. Bring lotsa keys.
Loviatar
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The drops aren't getting worse, you are farming in areas where everyone else is. Pretty sure that the ammount of people that farm an area has an effect on the drops.
>.> nope
each instance is a set map with no connection to any other persons instance.
otherwise the bots would be eliminating each others loot
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nopeeach instance is a set map with no connection to any other persons instance.
otherwise the bots would be eliminating each others loot
=HT=Ingram
there are finally plenty of gold sinks in the game that the people are using hoarded gold and putting it back into the game instead of reselling it to Gold Exchanges... This was brilliant move on Anets part. it has sufficiently drove the price down almost game wide on every item to reasonable levels... And for that matter made the accumulation of goodies almost a redundant effort. Its just a matter of finding the skin you want now I guess. basically fight a few bosses and whamo you got a decent goodie. Thus farming is not really a huge requirment in the game. Never was, but some loved to think so...
The key thing is the huge gold sinks, and that is finally a good thing... And yes they are 100% optional... I mean you can sink gold in any number of armors, in services for guild halls, in dyes, in keys, good god all kinds of stuff. and everyone OPTIONAL to the game overall. but if you invest in them they normally yeild something decent for your character eventually...
The Locked Chests were prob the best thing to be implamented as it made it much more expensive to SOLO run chests and MUCH MUCH more lucrative to go in large groups to grab chests... Same with teh boss green drops... The larger the group the faster the boss goes down and a green drops rather regularly now... Not to mention the addition of amber and jadeite Items acquired via Faction and used for gold generation OR crafting... Salvage all around is improved IMHO... Making it possible for ANYONE to attain something decent, and not cutting out some new guy that makes them believe they have to buy gold to acquire anything good. Which is far from the truth...
All because of Really good gold sinks that mean more gold is being transferred back into the game NPCs and not hoarded into 3rd party resell exchanges... End result. Not to much demand for massive amounts of gold... 3rd party exchanges hurt badly... Anet and GW community celebrates another victory for a fair and fun gaming world.
The key thing is the huge gold sinks, and that is finally a good thing... And yes they are 100% optional... I mean you can sink gold in any number of armors, in services for guild halls, in dyes, in keys, good god all kinds of stuff. and everyone OPTIONAL to the game overall. but if you invest in them they normally yeild something decent for your character eventually...
The Locked Chests were prob the best thing to be implamented as it made it much more expensive to SOLO run chests and MUCH MUCH more lucrative to go in large groups to grab chests... Same with teh boss green drops... The larger the group the faster the boss goes down and a green drops rather regularly now... Not to mention the addition of amber and jadeite Items acquired via Faction and used for gold generation OR crafting... Salvage all around is improved IMHO... Making it possible for ANYONE to attain something decent, and not cutting out some new guy that makes them believe they have to buy gold to acquire anything good. Which is far from the truth...
All because of Really good gold sinks that mean more gold is being transferred back into the game NPCs and not hoarded into 3rd party resell exchanges... End result. Not to much demand for massive amounts of gold... 3rd party exchanges hurt badly... Anet and GW community celebrates another victory for a fair and fun gaming world.
The Real Roy Keane
To the OP: you don't deserve gold drops for performing the skilless act that is troll farming; quite frankly I think they should nerf that area too, so that farming will require some small measure of competence.
The Great Al
I think farming is down, mainly because....what is there to buy? All there is pretty much, is armor. (Please don't say..buy a mini pet for 100k!!). Weapons, especially for casters, are terrible, except for the greens and collectors items. I've never seen a gold caster's item that I would actually use. The only stuff that is actually sellable are warrior and ranger weapons.
Jetdoc
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I used to get atleast 1 black dye a week.
I've have played over 1,500 hours and soloed almost all of prophecies (without henchmen) TWICE, and have gotten a whopping 2 Black dye drops during that entire time.
It's like someone winning the lottery and subsequently complaining that "they haven't won the lottery in a while"...
It's like someone winning the lottery and subsequently complaining that "they haven't won the lottery in a while"...
Gandalf The Monk
well my favorite class is ranger and HEALER monk(hates 55 to death) so my usual farming is b/p or Chest Runs i have found some very good chest run places in faction where 8 out of 10 chests are gold so my farming is still fine and i find farming fun pvp isnt my thing unless i am doing flag runner or monk
wsmcasey
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I used to make 30k a day troll farming for 9 hours. It will now take me 4 days to earn that.
lmao...........30k in 9 hours!!!!!!!! I hope your joking, because thats a serious waste of time for only 30k.
Swinging Fists
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Though these game devolpers are stopping me from being able to earn gold. I used to make 30k a day troll farming for 9 hours. It will now take me 4 days to earn that.
I like you. You make me laugh.
Why don't you just play the game ? When you finish, you will have an amulet of the mists, currently worth 50k. If you start a new character, preferably a monk, you will be able to finish in 2 or 3 days at your 9 hr / day rate. Then, delete the character and do it again. Of course, the price of amulets will go down, but the price isn't bad right now.
Have you been to the elite missions ? I understand there are some weapons coming out of there that are quite expensive. Why don't you get your guild together and farm in there ?
I don't know if you farm for the enjoyment of farming or whatever, but if you are just trying to earn gold to buy nice weapons, all you have to do is play Factions to get nice weapons. It just doesn't make much sense to farm some of the old places in Prophecies any more. And why should anyone be rewarded for killing a group of trolls or anything else that a bot can do ?
BTW, I'm not saying 50k in 3 days is a lot, but it's worth it to me, since I get to play through all the missions and enjoy the experience along the way. If your sole objective is to make money, there are better ways, but this sure beats troll farming.
Why don't you just play the game ? When you finish, you will have an amulet of the mists, currently worth 50k. If you start a new character, preferably a monk, you will be able to finish in 2 or 3 days at your 9 hr / day rate. Then, delete the character and do it again. Of course, the price of amulets will go down, but the price isn't bad right now.
Have you been to the elite missions ? I understand there are some weapons coming out of there that are quite expensive. Why don't you get your guild together and farm in there ?
I don't know if you farm for the enjoyment of farming or whatever, but if you are just trying to earn gold to buy nice weapons, all you have to do is play Factions to get nice weapons. It just doesn't make much sense to farm some of the old places in Prophecies any more. And why should anyone be rewarded for killing a group of trolls or anything else that a bot can do ?
BTW, I'm not saying 50k in 3 days is a lot, but it's worth it to me, since I get to play through all the missions and enjoy the experience along the way. If your sole objective is to make money, there are better ways, but this sure beats troll farming.
eternal pho
if you do troll farming with w/mo or mo/w, then you'll get at least 10k per hours.( i dont know if you farm them normally, but thats the average amount of time for me. Also, troll farming kinda went dead bout few weeks ago; since the last day that I troll farmed, i only got 2-3 drops per run.(and the usual is 10-12 drops)
Stabber
Farming is an art in exactly the same way that masturbation is an art. People do it because they have nothing better to do. And neither is dead, nor likely to die, no matter how much they say it's bad for you.
Tijger
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So why again do I need to eBay GW gold exactly? To buy Zodiak weapons? Well, if thats what I'd really want it I'd go do some Deep runs, takes less time then farming 100K + 25 ectos and its a lot more fun.
Anything else will drop in due course for me, I have a very nice platinum sword already and perfect gold Gothic axe which dropped for me.
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Also its not about the gold really its about the aspect that with all the new weapons and items people are trying to buy and sell. they nerfed the ways we earn gold so then its really becomeing a dead market.
They nerfed the way *some* people amassed lots of gold which benefitted very few people because it kept prices insanely high for many items such as runes and rare crafting materials. I for one am more then happy with the current situation. No, Anet did the right thing and I'd say that 95% of players will agree with me. Dove_Song
not quite syre what you need gold for really....
I am always broke....but never seems to bother me much....what do I need to buy exactly? I can find everything I need in jut day to day adventuring with guildies
fiery
I got 4 ectos in UW using my solo trapping build, on one run.
Francis Crawford
Well, I'm sure most of us were stuck with inventory that in retrospect we wish we'd sold for cash (e.g., that Sup Absorbtion that I got right after they improved the ettin drops). But so be it.
As for farming not yielding good results -- 6000 gold/hour still seems eminently doable with an elementalist, and with all the prices down, 6000 gold buys a LOT. What gets me are people who post here saying "I NEED 15K armor, and I don't know how to make the money for it quickly enough." Uh, who "NEEDS" 15K armor? It's just A. A minor aesthetic improvement to your character. B. A way to show off what you've accomplished. C. Both of the above. Tijger
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Yet I dont complain, the money is spent and I've used it now so what the hell.
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What gets me are people who post here saying "I NEED 15K armor, and I don't know how to make the money for it quickly enough." Uh, who "NEEDS" 15K armor? It's just A. A minor aesthetic improvement to your character. B. A way to show off what you've accomplished. C. Both of the above. I chose A but only for my female warrior (Canthan 15K) because I thought it looks great and I had the money, went for 1.5 Kurzick for my Tyrian warrior. I dont care it cost 15K nor do I go around "hey look, I gots l33t 15K armor!", I just like looking at it Need it? Nah, I need less money then ever for chars, the only thing that I need money for is to feed my high level key habit
AtiSanders
Ok let me explain abit more. I am not about the gold. I currently have 600k+, just spent 500k on my guild hall a month ago, i have three green pets, and a horde of other times includeing over 180 of each type of dye's SAVED.
It's the fact that you can now only get good mods on gold weapons and IF you can get good gold weapons then awsome. Otherwise i used to scrap gold weapons for mods and build other gold weapons with low requirements into good golds. I also like to collect items. I enjoy farming and it was like christmas when you got gold. Now it seems like i am going to have a heart attack/panic attack waiting on the gold to drop. Basicly i am saying they spoiled my fun and my way of making gold. Also its not like i need armour. I just gave away 14 amber after building my 15k kurzick armour. I am really a nice farmer who enjoys it. I farm for the fun of it but i am also a collector. AtiSanders
Ok, i went out troll farming for 1 hour and went in and sold then ran back out; over and over. I came out with 5,526 gold. 1 Hour of farming troll cave is not worth it anymore. I mean come on.
Tsunami Rain
uh..so OP: basicly youre just ranting that:
1. you used to get a lot of gold 2. you get no gold now 3. you dont want to work hard to get your gold 4. you dont seem to get the point of the game I'm probaby considered a big-time farmer. I work hard to get my gold. I would NEVER even consider buying gold off of Ebay or for real world money because that is just a waste. I'm reeling in decent money farming greens and farming chests. I'm also happy with farming areas such as arborstone for all of it's white items (aka A TON of materials). Really, I don't see what you're getting at. Farming still exists. Infact, it thrives. Maybe in not the same way it has been in the past, but this is the future. Adapt and deal with it.
Avarre
Uh... ok... I usually make 1k~ from a troll farming run, which takes maybe, counting brief idles, selling time, runing throught forge, 5 mins?
That's assuming no rare drops whatsoever.. 12k~ hour? As mesmer, monk and warrior are faster. Nowadays I farm troll/avicara or chests. If anything the quality of loot has gone up, but the prices have gone down in response. Shadowborn Demon
I really don't see what you are ranting about. Troll Cave farming is, was, and always will be crap money. Also, you say you used to earn 30k per NINE hours? Get real. You can easily make roughly 15k an hour, which is over 100k per nine hours. Anyway, are you sure you just haven't triggered the Anti-Farm on Trolls? Leave it a few weeks and come back. You say that this has crashed the economy in weapon mod prices, because no one can earn the money to but them now that farming is 'crap' as you put it. I personally like the lower prices. For those of us that actually know how and where to farm efficiently, it's a good thing. If you spent some more time actually looking for new, faster builds and more profitable farming spots, you would make a lot more money. Try Grawl outside Port Sledge, for instance. With a 55 I can make around 15k an hour on those guys. I don't even have the 'amazing' endgame factions farming spots (just thinking I really need to get my 55/600 and Warrior through the Factions PvE line), and i can still make decent money. Before you come up with such rubbish you should at least look around for new farming spots and try them out. Lastly, games such as GW are about fun. I farm for money, but mostly for fun. I don't see the importance of money etc, and am only getting 15k for the looks. For some of my characters (Monk for instance) I just prefer normal 1.5k armour, so I get that. You really should be more worried about having fun then making money or weapons, to be honest.
Haggard
Worried about having fun? : /
Anywho, just look around the forums for something that looks cool, and try it for a week, then move on. I bought my first 15k armour just from mission drops, so imagine what farming can do
AtiSanders
ok, here
I realise there is more new weapons and new armour, i hope you realise also. Now imagen the fact that they lowered drop amounts. Now by lower i mean the lowered the quality and quanity. Now take in mind that makes you less money unless you get a good drop. Hence there is less money flowing around and items become more rare. What i am getting at is this. Things will go up in price and the money farming rate is going down. Its supply and demand; meets less gold. Basicly if they want things to go down and people to not make money the supply should be higher than the demand. Its basic supply and demand concept. Though they went the other route and made things more rare.
Tsunami Rain
It just means working harder for your gold Ati. I don't know about you, but I'm fine with that. If I have to push myself to make faster and more efficient runs then so be it. It's part of the game.
As you said, it's basicly supply/demand. That's how the GW economy works. Do you realize that the price for perfect mods and items are declining? that means needing less money to buy things. I believe it's called deflation in economics terms. It's what GW needs. Items were selling for more gold than you can hold at one time (100k). Deflation is a good thing in this case.
pegasux
Ati, I have no idea what you are complaining about. I myself have found gold drops to occur quite frequently now. Ex. was doing the luxon supply run before the nerf...2-4 chest per run and avg. 2 gold drops per. within 4 hours of ff and chest runs i filled up 2.5 mules with near perfect golds. If anything farming and drops have been improved. sure farming is more difficult now which imo is great...it was to easy before. perfect weps are much more common now hence the decrease in prices for everything esp. mods. the prices would not have decresed if the drop rates were lower...if they were lower then they prices would have gone up. and the whole troll farming thing...that area has long been dead cause of the bots there. There are still many areas of prophecies where you can net at least 10k per hr. heck you can do a full prophets path hydra run in 20-25 min and make at least 6k per. find and try different places...factions has plenty of opportunities. SSakai's Sword is the obvious one. hum 2-3 swords and hour for 30k ea = 60-90k. just get creative.
MarcinAJ
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Its not about being rich. Ok think about it this way. Without farming there is no one to buy what mods and weapons you sell. Without you selling and buying those weapons you dont get what you want. Basicly people are going to turn to the gold selling companies and then we all end up screwed.
That is a rather naïve statement, as people will always have needs/wants and will always go out of their way to fulfill those needs/wants. The only variable affected by farming is the price. Farming adds more money to the game world without adding more units of value. That is called inflation and all it does is drive prices of items up. If you farm you have no problem with that. If you don't farm you can't afford anything.
Francis Crawford
Farming also adds supply. That tends to drive prices back down.
exodite
Don't farm trolls they suck, i tend to get quite good drops when i farm snakes dance, i clear everything from start to finish, it takes about 2-3 hours but is well worth it you'll get bout 8k + decent drops, Tundra Giants die rather quickly and are really easy to kill and when you are done you just zone out and zome in at the top of the map and hey presto more tundra giants! can be done with W/Me riposte farmer but it will take a deal longer, is alot easier with 55hp Mo/W as Tundra giants die in 1 Shield of Judgement!
thrice
It's not dead. Find a spot that not a lot of people know about. Sell an item that you can get easily for a lot more than it's worth (greens).
SlashR4
I believe farming isn't dead either but just begun! When I go out to farm, I farm bosses, that is to say, I farm the killing of the bosses and not the green weapons or whatever they drop. When they do drop something good, I'm pleased... very pleased...like when Strongroot dropped Strongroot's Shelter on my second run.
I don't sell them I give them to guildies and stuff first if they don't want it then I try and sell them (haven't started yet cuz I'm too lazy and just want to look at the damn things) but... here's a good place for you to get money mate, Farming shreader's Talons tons of money there I think Shreader's talons are not so good stat wise but worth 5k? Anybody verify me on this? And farming Shreader's is fun!!! eternal pho
only reason I've ever done troll runs are cuz the times that i need quick gold, but i triggered the anti-farming thing >.<
Jack Valmont
I've done Grawl bombing runs since I've started farming. That's about 5 minutes a run, including selling. There is about 20-40 Grawl that go down. It's seriously about 8k an hour, ~500g. I've seriously never seen the farming message, most likely because world messages flood the screen when they all go down. I used to farm for 3 hours straight, 7 days a week. 21 hrs a week. It's pathetic, but I was having fun while I was becoming relatively rich.
I've stopped farming now because I'm bored. The prices use to be insanely high (Tanned Hide Squares), and I used to get about 500~ per hour or two..so you can imagine how happy that made me. I haven't needed to farm for a week or two now because I've been to busy running high level areas, searching for elites. The reason I may go back is to get my experience up to about 2 million, so I can finish capturing all the elites. prodikal
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I haven't needed to farm for a week or two now because I've been to busy running high level areas, searching for elites. The reason I may go back is to get my experience up to about 2 million, so I can finish capturing all the elites.
Why do u need 2 million exp for capping? Skill points?
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