In response to Drok Run's scammers thread

Halc yon

Halc yon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Sardelac Sanitarium Society

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Let me know what you guys think about this.

Would it be fair if GW players started some sort of police force?

When players are scammed (for runs/trading/etc.) they report to a member of the GW Police Department.

When someone is reported they are added to a list on the GWPD's website. The list would consist of minor criminals, major criminals, and most wanted criminals, depending on the severity and consistency of a crime.

It wouldn't be fair if someone falsely accuses someone else of scamming so the GWPD will have to do some sort of investigation.

If a criminal wants his name taken off of the list he would have to pay a fine in which will go into paying for the money he owes.

I would go into more depth but I would like to know what you guys think first.

Helll is for Heroes

Helll is for Heroes

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

True Cinema

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this will only work if the entire guild wars community co-operated with this scheme.

fiery

fiery

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

maryland

InYurFace Gaming [IYF]

R/

This kinda feels like the GM people in WOW, where you can report stuff to or ask a question to.

A police department. I think not, they got scammed they got scammed be smart next time, besides we have police in real life no need in a game. Just let karma bite em back in the ass.

LF Police Guild to join.

morimoto

morimoto

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Ft. Worth TX

House of Soot?!

Mo/W

i dont like police

Halc yon

Halc yon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Sardelac Sanitarium Society

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I just thought it would be nice to have a list to go to when performing runs. That way a runner or trader will know ahead of time if someone is a scammer.

Also, what do you mean they got to be smarter next time. You run some one and they don't pay you. How are you going to do something to be smarter next time?

Caleb

Caleb

Nil nisi malis terrori.

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/Me

I'm sure Anet would love you guys playing pseudoGM for them...

/worst idea ever

Stabber

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Plane of Oblivion

Sigilum Sanguis [keep]

Me/W

Vigilanteism serves no one. Leave enforcement to the authorities.

fiery

fiery

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

maryland

InYurFace Gaming [IYF]

R/

You did say (for runs/trading/etc.).

As for being smart on runs, make them pay at zones, and show money ahead of the run.

Charqus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/

Sardelac sanitarium section ftw......

CyberNigma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

San Antonio, TX

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stabber
Vigilanteism serves no one. Leave enforcement to the authorities.
of course in this case the authorities are pre-programmed npcs in each of the major towns in the form of Ascalon Guards, etc...

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

This is called the "Better Business Bureau" here in America. And, much like America, there is a very small percentage of the population that takes the time to actually look up "who is a scammer and who isn't". As such, a "police department" would likely have little value to most GW players and wouldn't provide enough of a deterrent to GW scammers.

Kyosuke

Kyosuke

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

The Tomb of Souls

DC

N/Me

this may help to police runs scamers, which is the easiest way to scam

but i have ot say if you get Trade scammed, it's your own damn fault for being an idiot and not paying attention. you have plenty of oppurtunity to look at what is being traded exactly before hitting accept. just have a little patience or if someone is start/stop alot then just say screw it and don't trade with them. you are your own victim in these circumstances.

pbspectre

pbspectre

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Oral's Chosen

W/Mo

lol...Crimson Knights, Guild Wars style?...

seriously, though, the most any player can do is report a scammer...they can't investigate or verify anything reported to them and can't do anything to the scammer anyway...thus, a "police" force would pretty much be pointless...

Dave83

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

England

SeS

Me/Mo

commendable, its not the worst idea ever as somone said. It would be nice having a website for gw policing since you cant post names here (Im not arguing against that for the record).

But it would'nt work completely. It may against minor scammers but if you are talking about major offenders It would be a considerable bit harder. Much of the big time scammers I imagine move around accounts - if they are dealing in massive sums of GW's money (possibly for real money etc). In turn, say you list some poor guy who had his account hacked and that person gets his account back after his character/s have been up to poor behaviour - its unfair on him.

Fluffyx

Fluffyx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Courtney PantsuLand

Death By Teazu [TEA]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by fiery
This kinda feels like the GM people in WOW, where you can report stuff to or ask a question to.

A police department. I think not, they got scammed they got scammed be smart next time, besides we have police in real life no need in a game. Just let karma bite em back in the ass.

LF Police Guild to join.
Sure, you can say that for scams in trade. But with running the most you can do to protect yourself is having them show you money before you start and giving it to you at certain points. This doesn't mean they have to pay you to get there in any way since its payment on arrival.

Back to the point. You can already report scams to the staff, the problem is we get no confirmation if they were even punished in some way. So this really doesnt help us because we're not getting the satisfaction of the other person getting what they deserve.

quickmonty

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

Getting scammed is an occupational hazard for runners. Always has been, always will be. My suggestion would be to find another occupation.

Angel Develin

Angel Develin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Lions Arch

Minions of Kronos

N/Me

police force for a game?? omg what next? FGWI??? (federal Guild Wars investigation)

Scammers are 12-16 year chill/dope/GANGSTA so you can do nothing about it, they are just young and.....
So next time you see the scammer just say NI to him till he gives back your cash or ask him to cut down the mightiest tree with a harring




So say NI to FGWI and have fun

Mustache Mayhem

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

BEN

R/N

if someone wanted to start something like this- what's to stop em =] might actually get alot of hits

eudas

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

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1) could falsely report someone as a scammer... abusable.
2) power corrupts, and attracts the corruptible:
2) a) who is the money paid to, and how to you ensure that it goes into the appropriate coffers? abuseable.
2) b) how do you prevent the very same scammers from getting on the police force and using their influence over the list to falsely dominate and extort legitimate citizens? abusable.

honestly, this idea is a non-starter.

or, in the words of Comic Book Guy,
"Worst. Idea. Ever."

eudas

Tijger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustache Mayhem
if someone wanted to start something like this- what's to stop em =] might actually get alot of hits
AFAIK this already exists or at least existed last year, there was a website which listed Droks runners that were reliable and scammers.

I dont have the link anymore but I know it did exist at one time.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

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The only scam that actually cant be stopped is running. if someone trades you 10g instead of 10k, its your fault you didnt look. If your trying to buy a 15^50 chaos axe and they give you a white one, its your fault you didnt look. Sorry, but this is an awful idea. ANet acts like police, you report something to them and they work on it.

Drow Lor

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

California

SBD

Yes, GW INTERPOL!!!! They should have the ability to relocate the player to a dark outpost with a single room and begin interrogations. The player cannot ignore or leave until the interrogation is complete or they log off. Of course the name would be on a list of suspects that would be updated with the GW INTERPOL database. They could not hide, they could not run, they will be brought to justice. Also, create a GW World Court, that way folks could represent the suspects and plead the case to a tribunal of appointed judges who would hear the cases and use a majority vote and pass sentencing. THEN.....

GET A LIFE!!! Whoever got scammed, life sucks and you move on!!! Then report it through the appropriate channels to Anet or NCSoft or whoever the EULA states. Seriously, the OP has a cool idea, however, the reality of abuse would be enormous. We would have to have a police agency to police the police agency to police that police agency....and so on and so on......zzzzzzz!!!!

Jessyi

Jessyi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by pbspectre
lol...Crimson Knights, Guild Wars style?...
Wow...I thought I was the only one in the universe aware of the awesomeness of .hack//

If there was a real Crimson Knights, I think I'd join them. Lady Subaru ftw!

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Also, /notsigned

-Jessyi

ArTy

ArTy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Australia

Overclockers Australia [OCAU]

Say ur prayers coz imma gonna report u to teh Guild Wars Police!

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

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I made my own little skit with GW police

Civilian: HELP! HELP! I GOT SCAMMED 60k!
Police: Dont worry, were on our way!
Civilian: I was selling my chaos axe for 60k, and the person offered 60g and I accepted.
Police: What was his name?
Civilan: I Pwnzor Youz
Police: Where did he go?
Civilian: I dont know.
Random Person: I SAW HIM IN LIONS ARCH DISTRICT 3!
Police: Hello HQ this is police member 0045 and I need back up in LA d3
*Zones to LA d3*
Police: I PWNZOR YOUZ PUT YOUR HANDS UP, YOUR COMING WITH US
Scammer: YOU'LL NEVER CATCH ME! *signs off*

Man, I love this idea now