So, the health penalty of major runes has been lowered to -35, so you can get two majors for the same 'cost' as one superior.
So, are you guys fitting new runes into your armors, or do you stay with your minors/superiors?
Two majors or one superior?
Numa Pompilius
Lasher Dragon
Being a classic D&D min-maxer, I will most likely stay with my superior runes.
Charqus
runes dont stack do they? so a sup will give +3 and 2 majors will be +2 pressumably?
Damien
Think I will stay with the minor/superior rune fit, mostly because old habits, but I might try out a minor/major/major fit if I play a build that would profit from it
Sir Skullcrasher
But if the runes don't stack, why should you put two major when you can put in the superior to get the same result?
MSecorsky
You can now get +2 +2 for the same health penalty as +3 +1. I believe thats what was intended to be said.
Lasher Dragon
He's not talking about stacking runes, he's talking about +2 to two attributes as opposed to +3 to one and +1 to another.
Charqus
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Originally Posted by Lasher Dragon
He's not talking about stacking runes, he's talking about +2 to two attributes as opposed to +3 to one and +1 to another.
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MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by Charqus
ooooh thanks for clearin that up for me
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heh heh
Jetdoc
Unless you run a pure dual attribute mix build that leans equally on both skills, I think that (at least in PvP) should go with the Superior/Minor rune structure. This is especially true if you are a warrior/ranger/assassin primary.
Malachi The Fallen
I'd say it strictly depends on the skills you use, and how much that +1 attribute bonus would affect them.
Usually more points in 1 attribute gives dimnishing results on skills.
Usually more points in 1 attribute gives dimnishing results on skills.
Vlad Mortuus
Am I really the only person who uses dual superiors on many caster characters? My mesmer, necro and ele all have a superior of fastcasting, X Attribute, Soul Reapong, X Attribute, and Energy Storage, Fire Magic(respectively of course)
Lasher Dragon
Nope Vlad I do too. As a matter of fact I ran with a 3-superior rune ranger build for a loooong time.
GloryFox
This is one of the best updates in a long time. I will defiantly make new use of new Major Runes. For starts my Assassin gets a Major Rune of Dagger Mastery. That -75 is too much for a class that gets hit with armor drawbacks.
Arcador
Depends on the build. With this -35 I got an cool build that will get +1 with no cost compared to before the update.
TheMosesPHD
It depends on the build but there are certainly many builds that could benifit from the double major alternative. I think a bonder would be good with this because you can get your divine favor higher than you usually wouldn't previously so that blessed signet gives more energy. Also I think the triple Major rune option wouldn't be that bad now that it's only 35. Before it just became habit to use rune-sets that other people did I used to always use a Sup Healing and a Major Divine. I didn't have any problem with having 405 health and now it'll be 420 health so it's not as bad. Woo!
Oh and if you think the Sup/Major combo is reasonable the triple major O.o combo seems reasonable too at 425 health.
Oh and if you think the Sup/Major combo is reasonable the triple major O.o combo seems reasonable too at 425 health.
zelira
Probably stick with the sup runes already on my head pieces. Whatever I'm supposed to be doing in the group, I usually have that attribute set to 16. I also go with 2x sup runes (just borrow a piece of armor from the 55 set).
Markaedw
I can definitely see the advatage for a monk major healing, divine and/or protection, which is why they are all sold out
TheOneMephisto
It's especially useful if you want to hit certain breakpoints and still get the most effeciency out of your attribute points.
lyra_song
1 superior, and 1 major + helm
Vahn Roi
16 Healing Prayers > 15 Healing Prayers.
Nuff said for me...
Nuff said for me...
Lurid
I prefer one Superior Rune, as I like to use all Minor Runes and then have a Superior Rune on my head piece to go along with my highest attribute. Perhaps if I used multple sets of armor, or more varried attributes in any of my builds, my ideals would be different.
For example, I think my Warrior's setup would be a good example of this. With the way its setup, only having minor attribute linked runes, I can switch between builds and running merely by changing my head piece, attribute allocation, and skills. This is especially useful for running, as I for one dislike having anything attribute linked that is higher than a Minor Rune.
For example, I think my Warrior's setup would be a good example of this. With the way its setup, only having minor attribute linked runes, I can switch between builds and running merely by changing my head piece, attribute allocation, and skills. This is especially useful for running, as I for one dislike having anything attribute linked that is higher than a Minor Rune.
Shadowfox1125
This update really changes things but I guess now Major runes are worth a little more than before..
But I'm used to one superior.. but maybe someone will come up with some game-changing build(like 55mo) with the health reduction --reduction.
But I'm used to one superior.. but maybe someone will come up with some game-changing build(like 55mo) with the health reduction --reduction.
twicky_kid
Necro> 2 majors
Mesmer> 2 majors
Monk> 2 majors
Ranger> 2 majors
Warrior> 1 sup (only because of henge helm)
Assassin> 2 majors or 1 sup (very flexible class)
Ele> 1 sup
Ritualist> 2 majors
For most classes hitting 16 is not worth it so why use a sup rune. Use 2 majors and hit another break point in another attribute and gain +5 hp. Hitting break points is more important than adding 2-3 dmg to your skills. Overall 2 majors + 1 minor comes out to +5 attribute lvls while 1 sup + 1 minor is only 4. Still more importantly is the break points.
Mesmer> 2 majors
Monk> 2 majors
Ranger> 2 majors
Warrior> 1 sup (only because of henge helm)
Assassin> 2 majors or 1 sup (very flexible class)
Ele> 1 sup
Ritualist> 2 majors
For most classes hitting 16 is not worth it so why use a sup rune. Use 2 majors and hit another break point in another attribute and gain +5 hp. Hitting break points is more important than adding 2-3 dmg to your skills. Overall 2 majors + 1 minor comes out to +5 attribute lvls while 1 sup + 1 minor is only 4. Still more importantly is the break points.
Phades
I wonder why it took so long ANET to implement this change. People have been suggesting this at least 6 months ago.
Some breakpoints are good at +3/+2/-, but many are still optimal with +4/+1/-. Rangers were one of the initial observed benificiaries with the hp cost of major runes being reduced.
Some breakpoints are good at +3/+2/-, but many are still optimal with +4/+1/-. Rangers were one of the initial observed benificiaries with the hp cost of major runes being reduced.
Lurid
Twicky - Monks could just as easily go for a single superior as they could for two majors. I mean, in a two major setup, they would replace their minor divine, with a major divine. Then put the other major on the head. Though if you were running a majority of healing spells, for example, then the superior head would be almost as effective. Without having to re-buy two more overly priced runes.
Cash
another thing to point out now for casters is that using a hale staff head instead of a insightful one pretty much cancels out a major rune now. for example my mesmer could still use sup dom + mask to get to 16, but use a hale staff of fortitude and be able to use a major rune somewhere else with only -5 health overall. is it worth it? dunno yet (just got on and read about the update so i havent tried anything), but since some classes (mes and necro especially) have great energy management skills, the -5 energy shouldnt be a big deal.
thumbs up to ANET though for realizing how major runes were pretty much worthless and unused. whether this turns out to be a game-changing addition or not, at least it gives us the possibility for new builds that definately werent worth the health loss before.
thumbs up to ANET though for realizing how major runes were pretty much worthless and unused. whether this turns out to be a game-changing addition or not, at least it gives us the possibility for new builds that definately werent worth the health loss before.
Dj Tano
Omfg if you think of it now, if you wouldve invested into a lot of monk runes needed for 55 you could sell them now for hundreds of k since they dont get sold on the market anymore...
mrmojo
It might be useful but if people wanted to use a major before, 15 less hp wouldn't have stopped them.
twicky_kid
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Twicky - Monks could just as easily go for a single superior as they could for two majors. I mean, in a two major setup, they would replace their minor divine, with a major divine. Then put the other major on the head. Though if you were running a majority of healing spells, for example, then the superior head would be almost as effective. Without having to re-buy two more overly priced runes.
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Hit the break points then pump the attribute points you saved into your secondary attributes for more energy management. I don't think a 10 heal difference is going make that much effect but that 2-3 extra energy will.
Evilsod
Tbh i think casters are better running at lvl16 of there main stat. Its there ONLY method of damage or healing in a monks case. A ranger, warrior or assassin can still deal out plenty of damage with slightly lower weapon stat. Meteor Shower or Spiteful Spirit can only get noticably better.
Atm 2 of my casters (namely necro and monk) run 2 Sup runes. My monk always runs a sup prot or healing and i usually tack a divine favour onto it. My necro will run the stat i need and a sup soul reaping (because i messed up a bit mainly). I think in light of this i'll drop a Major Soul Reaping in definatly, although the Divine Favour is part of my 55gear (i dont think i've actually used it beyond leveling myself in Elona), so i may just stick with either a minor or sup when i need it.
Edit: Twicky, Divine Favour doesn't add more to healing than a Healing Prayers would. For a start your not taking into account things like Heal Party, which have nothing to do with Divine Favour, nor WoH or Other which do alot more than 3 at the next level. Only Healing Touch would benefit more from this. The only skill i can think of that may heal less is Dwaynas Kiss, but once you throw a hex/enchantment in there you see the difference. Unless your going as a boon prot, then you can use a sup+tat to get the most from boon then go to a major prot+divine, in which case the difference can be subtantial. Same goes for prot, since not all things that hit RoF do max, and the 2% difference on Guardian is tiny. Not sure if it makes a difference to Aegis either.
Atm 2 of my casters (namely necro and monk) run 2 Sup runes. My monk always runs a sup prot or healing and i usually tack a divine favour onto it. My necro will run the stat i need and a sup soul reaping (because i messed up a bit mainly). I think in light of this i'll drop a Major Soul Reaping in definatly, although the Divine Favour is part of my 55gear (i dont think i've actually used it beyond leveling myself in Elona), so i may just stick with either a minor or sup when i need it.
Edit: Twicky, Divine Favour doesn't add more to healing than a Healing Prayers would. For a start your not taking into account things like Heal Party, which have nothing to do with Divine Favour, nor WoH or Other which do alot more than 3 at the next level. Only Healing Touch would benefit more from this. The only skill i can think of that may heal less is Dwaynas Kiss, but once you throw a hex/enchantment in there you see the difference. Unless your going as a boon prot, then you can use a sup+tat to get the most from boon then go to a major prot+divine, in which case the difference can be subtantial. Same goes for prot, since not all things that hit RoF do max, and the 2% difference on Guardian is tiny. Not sure if it makes a difference to Aegis either.
twicky_kid
In any case the more I can add to my energy gain the better. Healing spells increase by 3-4 per point. DF increases at +3 and +4 at break points. I'd still take 2-3 energy over maybe 10 healing. In the end the energy gain would allow me to cast more therefor adding more to my healing ability over time.
This will also be a good set up for smiting monks. Even though they are rather rare smiting is make a small come back with air of enchantment. 2 smite, 2 prot, 2 divine would be much more optimal than 3/2 or 4/1.
I would use 2 majors when I'm going into 3 attributes of my primary like most every mesmer and ranger does. Warriors I'd go with the 3/2 or 4/1 because of the HoD helm decreasing my weapon to 15 max.
If its 2 attribute lines of the primary I'd go with 3/2 or 4/1. Maybe even risk 4/3 if you can use the +hp armor to offset the life loss. If its 3 attribute lines of the primary definatly go with 2/2/2.
This will also be a good set up for smiting monks. Even though they are rather rare smiting is make a small come back with air of enchantment. 2 smite, 2 prot, 2 divine would be much more optimal than 3/2 or 4/1.
I would use 2 majors when I'm going into 3 attributes of my primary like most every mesmer and ranger does. Warriors I'd go with the 3/2 or 4/1 because of the HoD helm decreasing my weapon to 15 max.
If its 2 attribute lines of the primary I'd go with 3/2 or 4/1. Maybe even risk 4/3 if you can use the +hp armor to offset the life loss. If its 3 attribute lines of the primary definatly go with 2/2/2.
jimmy_logic
Twicky can you explain how the new major runes would benefit a ranger? I don't see the maths you used sorry must be the early in the morning brain drain.
TadaceAce
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Originally Posted by Vlad Mortuus
Am I really the only person who uses dual superiors on many caster characters? My mesmer, necro and ele all have a superior of fastcasting, X Attribute, Soul Reapong, X Attribute, and Energy Storage, Fire Magic(respectively of course)
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twicky_kid
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Originally Posted by jimmy_logic
Twicky can you explain how the new major runes would benefit a ranger? I don't see the maths you used sorry must be the early in the morning brain drain.
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jimmy_logic
Thats what I was thinking but I think I got confused somehow. Running Sup/Maj/Min right now 450 Hp with +30Hp Bow Grip. Am liking the new Major Runes.
VGJustice
My current builds are designed around Min/Sup, I'd have to rework them to use Majors. *shrug*
Maybe in the future.
Maybe in the future.
semantic
confession: I never use Sup runes. Like ever. But I'm rarely doing anything really specialized in a tightly knit 8-man setup.
So yeah, I basically just got 16 attrib points and 5 health back (for ~120g I think). Been a good day.
So yeah, I basically just got 16 attrib points and 5 health back (for ~120g I think). Been a good day.
Guardian of the Light
2 Major builds work nice its now something else to try.
Vlad Mortuus
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Yes that is pretty stupid... 380 life ftw
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