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The Herbalizer

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Join Date: Jul 2005

03 Jun 2006 at 12:36 - 1

I am looking for a pc on the following items: -

Not 15>50 serpent

No I dont own them but would like to own either.

Here is the link to the original thread: -

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=89574

What slightly concerns me with these items is that they both have zealous or vampiric mods on. The trully unconditional weapons look like this (my hammer

): -

It has been claimed the negative is merely hidden and is still present. So would I be right in saying that it would either be -2 energy regen or -2 health regen?

Or is it just -1 energy regen or -1 health regen?

Also does anyone know if a different hilt was added would the negative condition appear or disappear?

Who the hell owns them? I have asked around in-game and a few people have said nef.

A price for them is much appreciated. I guess if -1 regen it would be alot more than if -2. I dont really care about either as I want to own something disgustingly rare and a piece of Guild Wars history before I take a break from Guild Wars.

This is more for old school peeps to comment on as they were around back when stuff like this was being discussed so can hopefully help.

Slabby

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

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03 Jun 2006 at 13:21 - 2

I'm not an old school GW player but I know one thing. The zealous probably hides the condition like you said. Why are they zealous otherwise ?
That warhammer is indeed unconditional for sure, I have seen it before here on Guru.
Few people will know the real answers. I missed a lot of great GW players here, too bad I only started half a year ago :'(

patrona

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Belgium

none.

Me/

03 Jun 2006 at 13:38 - 3

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3045686
this is an 13% unconditional longbow ( max dmg) and it goes up to 900k, so these items...
+ the only way this to see if it was the vampiric or zealus mod is remove it... i don't see a clue in this... glitch or new update?? (never seen one before factions)

Triple Evel

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03 Jun 2006 at 15:22 - 4

mmm , mysterios !
well if these first 3 weapons are truly unconditional !! ( IMMPOSSIBLE )) !! it surely will go for 100000000 .... 100 million .... and m not kidding about that !especially the first one !

shaolin mind trick

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Mo/Me

03 Jun 2006 at 15:29 - 5

From what I've heard, these were nerfed a long time ago, but I'm not 100% on that. As far as prices, something like a first born child would probably be fair for either the 1st serpent or the dwarven

derrtyboy69

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Mo/Me

03 Jun 2006 at 15:31 - 6

You are kidding, no one has 100 million, The dwarven would sell for more, but its been customized.

The Herbalizer

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Join Date: Jul 2005

03 Jun 2006 at 17:39 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by derrtyboy69

You are kidding, no one has 100 million, The dwarven would sell for more, but its been customized.

oo yeah, if i remember correctly by someone in iq and it had an icy mod on it. Myabe changing mods does work...

StueyG

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03 Jun 2006 at 17:44 - 8

yeah i've seen the dwarven somewhere else too with different mods and it was customized... and I dont see how you can price any of these

it'd take a fortune to buy

Twisted God

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N/Me

03 Jun 2006 at 17:49 - 9

well if i had these ill prolly sell em for real money lol

derrtyboy69

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Mo/Me

03 Jun 2006 at 18:07 - 10

If i had these i would customize them, as nothing in this game is worth selling them for. They are one of very very few items that give and edge in pvp (although it is incredibly slight), along with the 15% FFS and the HoD axe. If i stopped playing the game, I would simply sell the account with the customized items on them for an obscene amount of money.

Malice Black

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03 Jun 2006 at 22:38 - 11

serpant 5mill

dwarvern 10-15mill

akh would topple most in the bidding stakes tho..since all the big ebayers quit..

extra bacon

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Join Date: Sep 2005

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Spank [Me]

03 Jun 2006 at 23:02 - 12

the zealous mod does not hide any negative condition. if there were a negative such as energy regen -1 for example, it would say so in the item description. that means you'd see:

zealous serpent axe of axe mastery
slashing dmg: 6-28 (req 8 axe mastery)
damage +14%
energy regeneration -1
axe mastery +1 (15% chance)
energy gain on hit: 1
energy regeneration -1

also, from the order of the mods in the item description, you can tell that the zealous haft was added on after the axe mastery grip, erasing the previous haft (if any), and that it wasn't id'ed with a zealous mod which some are suggesting could possibly "hide"

the negative condition of the damage bonus.

btw, if you can convince the owner of that serpent to salvage it for the zealous haft, i'd be very interested in purchasing the upgrade.

Living Legend

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W/E

03 Jun 2006 at 23:05 - 13

there is still 1 axe that I know that is unconditional

sephis axe
6-28(req 9)
+15always

that hasn't been customized, Spinal Reaper was crying about it because someone else beat him to the buying of it, the player who has it still plays a little but not much, I won't tell you guys his name but some of you might no of whom i'm speaking of.

Malice Black

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03 Jun 2006 at 23:07 - 14

herb u wanna recruit me

im guildless again lol

derrtyboy69

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Mo/Me

03 Jun 2006 at 23:52 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Living Legend

there is still 1 axe that I know that is unconditional

sephis axe
6-28(req 9)
+15always

that hasn't been customized, Spinal Reaper was crying about it because someone else beat him to the buying of it, the player who has it still plays a little but not much, I won't tell you guys his name but some of you might no of whom i'm speaking of.

I believe Booty Hunter got that one

The Herbalizer

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Join Date: Jul 2005

03 Jun 2006 at 23:54 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

herb u wanna recruit me

im guildless again lol

sure, i have only just made it as i want a guild of my own so need to recruit some people lol. it will hardly be the most exciting guild due to being new but your welcome to join when i get a ton of people or now if you want. officer positions for everyone i know so you can spam alliance chat

Quote:

Originally Posted by extra bacon

the zealous mod does not hide any negative condition. if there were a negative such as energy regen -1 for example, it would say so in the item description. that means you'd see:

zealous serpent axe of axe mastery
slashing dmg: 6-28 (req 8 axe mastery)
damage +14%
energy regeneration -1
axe mastery +1 (15% chance)
energy gain on hit: 1
energy regeneration -1

also, from the order of the mods in the item description, you can tell that the zealous haft was added on after the axe mastery grip, erasing the previous haft (if any), and that it wasn't id'ed with a zealous mod which some are suggesting could possibly "hide"

the negative condition of the damage bonus.

btw, if you can convince the owner of that serpent to salvage it for the zealous haft, i'd be very interested in purchasing the upgrade.

I was thinking possibly it came say fire serpent dmg +14% -1 energy regen +1 axe. then the person added zealous which due to being bugged became just one -1 energy. I have seen some pic on here with some guy with like 10 of these weps (zealous/vamp). what i find confusing is if it can be "safely" removed why have people not done it to make them unconditional. maybe after the two weeks from release it didnt work due to being patched so people were stuck with their zealous / vamp ones. i think part of the glitch was it did hide the negative which was the problem and reason why it was prevented in future.

maybe im being paranoid but it seems there is a massaive zealous and vamp fetish

extra bacon

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Join Date: Sep 2005

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Spank [Me]

04 Jun 2006 at 00:22 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

maybe im being paranoid but it seems there is a massaive zealous and vamp fetish

zealous is awesome, it's all i use these days really.
and what else are you gonna have on your weapons? sundering? LMAO

Malice Black

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04 Jun 2006 at 00:22 - 18

yea send an invite when ya log on

The Herbalizer

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04 Jun 2006 at 00:31 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by extra bacon

zealous is awesome, it's all i use these days really.
and what else are you gonna have on your weapons? sundering? LMAO

dont insult the sundering. we all know it is the best mod available.

sundering > all other mods

i am deadly serious too

Quote:

yea send an invite when ya log on

will do. i need to go bed though as i have a massive headache from all day drinking in the sun >.<

derrtyboy69

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Mo/Me

04 Jun 2006 at 00:34 - 20

zealous>vamp>furious>sundering

zealous is kinda bad sometimes if your playin a shock warrior as it does nothing against exaust

allmighty smiter

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

04 Jun 2006 at 01:53 - 21

yeah the vamp \zealous dont hide anything.. theyre unconditional.. and most people got these right after the release of the game from the chest run in arid sea that they nerfed soon after that ^^ ( along with the other like 20 good chest runs ): )
they nerfed these shortly after the release too :x

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

04 Jun 2006 at 10:19 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by allmighty smiter

yeah the vamp \zealous dont hide anything.. theyre unconditional.. and most people got these right after the release of the game from the chest run in arid sea that they nerfed soon after that ^^ ( along with the other like 20 good chest runs ): )
they nerfed these shortly after the release too :x

oo you seem to know about their "history". did they come as unconditional or was there some special process to getting them like that.

thanks everyone

-andy-

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04 Jun 2006 at 11:43 - 23

if i remember and got it correctly :P these weapons came like ordinary for example 15% -1 energy regen.. but when people added a zealous mod to them, the negative mod disappeared with it..

Rain Knight

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04 Jun 2006 at 12:05 - 24

perhaps one way (if you can) to find out is ask the seller to change the mods to something else and see if the "-1 regen" mods come back and change it back to see if the mods return to "unconditional" again..

that'd be easier to evaluate the item...

~my two cents

PS: very interesting thread btw

Morgoth the dark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

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R/

04 Jun 2006 at 13:31 - 25

Hmm interesting

i'm gonna buys +xx/ -1 energy regen weapon (if gonna find one), zealous mod and report here what happens

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

04 Jun 2006 at 13:45 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Knight

perhaps one way (if you can) to find out is ask the seller to change the mods to something else and see if the "-1 regen" mods come back and change it back to see if the mods return to "unconditional" again..

that'd be easier to evaluate the item...

~my two cents

PS: very interesting thread btw

if i manage to find one reasonably priced ie. 1 million ish or some cheap non max one i would do it and record on fraps to finally solve this once and for all.

blaise

Frost Gate Guardian

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FeS

E/Me

04 Jun 2006 at 14:51 - 27

what is unconditional ? i dont get it lol . ^^

Slabby

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

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04 Jun 2006 at 14:56 - 28

Weapons with no negatives.
For example: War hammer 15% Always -5 energy
The -5 energy is a 'condition', it's a negative.
But there exist weapons from the beginning of GW with no negatives.
Just xx% always and that's it

blaise

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04 Jun 2006 at 14:58 - 29

alright thanjks!

Cobra Unit

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04 Jun 2006 at 15:01 - 30

Sundering and Vampiric ftw !! ^^

Xunlai Master

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06 Jun 2006 at 07:28 - 31

hehe i dont think zealous can be used to hide the negative bonus, cos they'll double up. but if u r still worried than u can offer em i.e. fiery + zealous n get them to try it on the b4 u buy it i suppose.

fenix

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06 Jun 2006 at 10:05 - 32

The items would come with the 15%/-1hp regen or -1ngr regen inherent mod, but also with a Vampiric or Zealous mod attached. Because there was 2 of the same degen mod on the weapon, they would only count as one, and when you changed the mod to say, sundering, it would remove the degen, as if it were part of the Vampiric/Zealous mod. Therefore, you would have a 15% (or whatever the damage mod was) weapon with no condition what-so-ever.

Rain Knight

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06 Jun 2006 at 14:54 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xunlai Master

hehe i dont think zealous can be used to hide the negative bonus, cos they'll double up. but if u r still worried than u can offer em i.e. fiery + zealous n get them to try it on the b4 u buy it i suppose.

they were refering to a buggy early stage where items with two degens would be registered as one.....thus, some of the so-called "unconditional" were part of the batch......

Quote:

Originally Posted by talon

.......and when you changed the mod to say, sundering, it would remove the degen, as if it were part of the Vampiric/Zealous mod. Therefore, you would have a 15% (or whatever the damage mod was) weapon with no condition what-so-ever.

that is not yet proven........the unconditional ones that you see without zealous or vamp are undoubtedly genuine...unless otherwise proven that the buggy ones are moddable like any other weapons without affecting the "unconditional" mod

Nefastaru

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W/Mo

18 Oct 2006 at 11:58 - 34

Hate to bump an old thread, but I decided to return to GW a few days ago after getting completely bored with playing WOW. I left about a year ago to play WOW and wound up being in a top 10 Naxx progression guild but the raiding in that game 5 days a week 6-7 hours a day is rediculous and to tedious to the point where you don't have fun anymore. I saw this thread while looking for some of the old weapons I used to love so much

Now as far as who has those weapons. Booty Hunter has the 15% always sephis I own a 14% always sword (falchion I beleive I'll have to check that acc) as well as the 14% serpent. The Dwarven was customized before I got to it but I already owned a 14^50 customized dwarven so I was good. The zealous is still on the serpent because frankly it's the best mod IMO. I also own a 15% always longbow and a 13% swamp club all with no modifier.

I haven't even begun to look at the new weapons available but I still have one of every old school weapon skin 15^50 and almost all are req 8 minus the few crystallines I have ranging from req 9-13 15^50 or 15% enchanted.

To kinda keep things on topic here anyone wanna PC a req 8 10/10 orr staff? Perfect in every aspect.

Akhilleus

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10 Dec 2006 at 06:06 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nefastaru

Hate to bump an old thread, but I decided to return to GW a few days ago after getting completely bored with playing WOW. I left about a year ago to play WOW and wound up being in a top 10 Naxx progression guild but the raiding in that game 5 days a week 6-7 hours a day is rediculous and to tedious to the point where you don't have fun anymore. I saw this thread while looking for some of the old weapons I used to love so much

Now as far as who has those weapons. Booty Hunter has the 15% always sephis I own a 14% always sword (falchion I beleive I'll have to check that acc) as well as the 14% serpent. The Dwarven was customized before I got to it but I already owned a 14^50 customized dwarven so I was good. The zealous is still on the serpent because frankly it's the best mod IMO. I also own a 15% always longbow and a 13% swamp club all with no modifier.

I haven't even begun to look at the new weapons available but I still have one of every old school weapon skin 15^50 and almost all are req 8 minus the few crystallines I have ranging from req 9-13 15^50 or 15% enchanted.

To kinda keep things on topic here anyone wanna PC a req 8 10/10 orr staff? Perfect in every aspect.

actually, i own the serpent, and have for a few months.
nef=caught in a lie?

Malice Black

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10 Dec 2006 at 06:11 - 36

No need to drag this up.