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Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

03 Jun 2006 at 16:13 - 1

Apprently ArenaNet stealth-changed the "Alliance Line" behavior in either today's or yesterday's patch, because...

Yep. The Luxons have been royally pimp-slapped by the Kurzicks. This is the first time since release that the Kurzicks have gone all the way to own the Leviathian Pits.

However, you still need Luxon faction to craft 15k Luxon Armor. Which makes no sense.

Kaguya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Moon

Mo/

03 Jun 2006 at 16:16 - 2

Why would the luxon armorcrafter start crafting his stuff for Kurziks, even if they are holding the city. ;D

What makes no sense is that the guards and NPCs in Leviathan Pits are Luxon. Luxon Sentries, Luxon Merchant etc. Would think atleast the sentries would be replaced with Kurzick ones :P

heist23

Journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2005

R/Mo

03 Jun 2006 at 16:18 - 3

oh CRAP. that is NOT good.

well, i guess they lowered the amount of wins it takes to shift over the territory line. maybe the lack of skill the Luxons are showing is finally manifesting.

SirJackassIII

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Belgium

none

N/E

03 Jun 2006 at 16:18 - 4

Actually, it's not the first time. It happened before IIRC.

And it wouldn't happen if Etnaran and Saltspray weren't so disgustingly biased to Kurzicks.
We've seen the first line of Kurzick defense (Grenz) once, and for how long? And now they've already pushed luxons to their second line of defense.
I have a feeling the devs prefer Kurzicks over Luxons with the Ab maps, the competitive missions and the amount of quests.
Almost like "play Kurzick or join the losing Faction"...

SilentAssassin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

Remnants of Ascalon, KT alliance

R/N

03 Jun 2006 at 16:20 - 5

well, I agree, this faction system is awesome imo, but they should do alot more about these things,

changing NPC's is a minimum, but they could make a couple of kurzick only quests and luxon only quests wich you can only do when you get that specific city

I really hope Anet will build on this type of system and make alot more happen when you obtain a city.

maybe we should give alot more ideas to them

Snowman

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wales, UK

Devils Scorpions

W/E

03 Jun 2006 at 16:22 - 6

no your wrong, its just obvious that anet are kurzick fans..

just gotta take a look at saltspray to realise that.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

03 Jun 2006 at 16:23 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirJackassIII

Almost like "play Kurzick or join the losing Faction"...

In related news...

[TC] has also lost Cavalon. Henceforth, you can't get ferries to The Deep anymore! A double Luxon whammy!

Rebirther

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

England, UK

Clan Dethryche

Mo/Me

03 Jun 2006 at 16:25 - 8

it's stupid when you take over a city, that that's cities trading system still remains active to it's original faction point + even if you have 0 faction points and your aligned to the kurzicks the npc' traders still won't talk to you- irritating.
This needs change, although the faction system is interesting there is no "real" benefit from it... wupty doo the players controlling to it get 20% of merchants but for the rest of us... no big deal. nothing worth making a big fuss over.

(all above comments are made based on opposing side controlling an opposing faction's town)

Mr_T_bot

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2006

03 Jun 2006 at 16:28 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaguya

Why would the luxon armorcrafter start crafting his stuff for Kurziks, even if they are holding the city. ;D

What makes no sense is that the guards and NPCs in Leviathan Pits are Luxon. Luxon Sentries, Luxon Merchant etc. Would think atleast the sentries would be replaced with Kurzick ones :P

The line was probably never originally designed to go that far thus there is no script to change sentries.

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

03 Jun 2006 at 16:28 - 10

Other than a line on the map, and something being blue instead of red.

What does it actually mean, i mean what difference does it make?

Mysterial

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Servants of Fortuna

E/Me

03 Jun 2006 at 16:34 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by aron searle

Other than a line on the map, and something being blue instead of red.

What does it actually mean, i mean what difference does it make?

In some (all?) explorables accessible from the Luxon/Kurzick outposts, if you aren't friendly with the faction that owns the outpost, you won't be able to resurrect at the shrine, which means getting killed kicks you out like a mission. It going that far also means we might actually get to play more AB maps then the two we've been playing 99% of the time previously.

Sagius Truthbarron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Animal Factory [ZoO]

A/

03 Jun 2006 at 16:40 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirJackassIII

Actually, it's not the first time. It happened before IIRC.

And it wouldn't happen if Etnaran and Saltspray weren't so disgustingly biased to Kurzicks.
We've seen the first line of Kurzick defense (Grenz) once, and for how long? And now they've already pushed luxons to their second line of defense.
I have a feeling the devs prefer Kurzicks over Luxons with the Ab maps, the competitive missions and the amount of quests.
Almost like "play Kurzick or join the losing Faction"...

You're full of it. The Alliance maps don't favor Kurzick at all. In fact, both Etnaran Keys and Saltspray make it possible for the Luxons to take 4 bases in the opening, and the Kurzicks only 3.

The simple fact is that most Luxon players are crappy. Most of them are running mending wammos and random builds that do not work. I can't begin to count how many Luxon warriors I have seen with Healing Hands or Life Sheath.

MrGuildBoi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

A/

03 Jun 2006 at 16:42 - 13

whoa, it curved big time. i didnt even know that can happen

Dzan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

The Black Dye Cartel

03 Jun 2006 at 16:42 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by heist23

maybe the lack of skill the Luxons are showing is finally manifesting.

Has nothing to do with the skill of the Luxon and everything to do with the price of Amber compared to Jadeite. Most of the better pvp players are playing Kurzick since you make more plat per hour farming Amber than Jadeite in AB's.

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

03 Jun 2006 at 16:43 - 15

It would be so fun if the NPC's at leviathan had to sell 15K kurzick armor, rather than 15K luxon..

Sagius Truthbarron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Animal Factory [ZoO]

A/

03 Jun 2006 at 16:48 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dzan

Has nothing to do with the skill of the Luxon and everything to do with the price of Amber compared to Jadeite. Most of the better pvp players are playing Kurzick since you make more plat per hour farming Amber than Jadeite in AB's.

Alliance Battles are very slow Faction Farming. Nobody would seriously play alliance battles for anything other than fun. They take 5 minutes to put a team together for, 15 minutes to enter the match, and its a 45 minute game.

And for what? 700 faction. You could get that from 6 minutes of Fort Aspenwood.

Sidra

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

CT

NITE

R/

03 Jun 2006 at 16:54 - 17

I wish it were possible for anet to publish a census telling us how many guilds are alligned with which faction, how many guilds aren't alligned, and the ratio of actively alliance-battling guilds to non battling guilds on each side. We may be able to find a cause thatway.

koneko

Site Contributor

Join Date: Sep 2005

38??16′ N 140??52′ E

Mo/Me

03 Jun 2006 at 16:56 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mysterial

In some (all?) explorables accessible from the Luxon/Kurzick outposts, if you aren't friendly with the faction that owns the outpost, you won't be able to resurrect at the shrine, which means getting killed kicks you out like a mission.

You simply get ressed at an unmanned res point (if there is one in the explorable area). I don't see the problem - just kill the guards at the shrine and take it for yourself, problem solved.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaguya

Atleast I haven't bumped to an area without those extra shrines.

Only area that comes to mind is Unwaking Waters (only one shrine).

Kaguya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Moon

Mo/

03 Jun 2006 at 16:57 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mysterial

In some (all?) explorables accessible from the Luxon/Kurzick outposts, if you aren't friendly with the faction that owns the outpost, you won't be able to resurrect at the shrine, which means getting killed kicks you out like a mission.

Not true. There are resurrection shrines usually ~middle of the map that don't have any guards at them, and you'll be able to rez on those. Atleast I haven't bumped to an area without those extra shrines.

edit: beat by few seconds >:|

SirJackassIII

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Belgium

none

N/E

03 Jun 2006 at 17:03 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

You're full of it. The Alliance maps don't favor Kurzick at all. In fact, both Etnaran Keys and Saltspray make it possible for the Luxons to take 4 bases in the opening, and the Kurzicks only 3.

The simple fact is that most Luxon players are crappy. Most of them are running mending wammos and random builds that do not work. I can't begin to count how many Luxon warriors I have seen with Healing Hands or Life Sheath.

Err, my Guild is alligned with the Kurzicks, so I can only play from a Kurzick view. Trust me when I say Saltspray and Etnaran are biased to the Kurzicks.

Saltspray: The dragon roost is by far easier to access from the Kurzick side, and rez Shrines are usually taken by Kurzicks faster as well. Even if the Luxons grab one, Kurzicks got a Dragon to help out.

Etnaran: Yes, Luxons can grab 3 points easily,but so can the Kurzicks and the fourth is for them as well due to the (stacking) speed boost the Ranger shrine gives.

And bad players are on both sides. For every Mending whammo I've seen on the Kurzick side, I've seen as many on our side.

Sagius Truthbarron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Animal Factory [ZoO]

A/

03 Jun 2006 at 17:06 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidra

I wish it were possible for anet to publish a census telling us how many guilds are alligned with which faction, how many guilds aren't alligned, and the ratio of actively alliance-battling guilds to non battling guilds on each side. We may be able to find a cause thatway.

It has nothing to do with Guilds. People go in with a small group of 4 and enter a battle with teams of 12.

Guilds alliances in perticular wouln't tell you who is PvPing, becuase, for one thing, alot of those guilds could be nothing but PvE farming and alot could just be joining an alliance for fun, ect. Most guilds aren't joining an alliance to AvA.

The battle line -can not- be decided by how many people are waiting in line to play, but is decided only by battles actually fought. So even if there are 1000 people on the Kurzick side and 8 on the Luxon side, if those 8 Luxons win a match they are going to make a positive difference. Its not counted for matches not played.

Stabber

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Plane of Oblivion

Sigilum Sanguis [keep]

Me/W

03 Jun 2006 at 17:35 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_T_bot

The line was probably never originally designed to go that far thus there is no script to change sentries.

If you look in your Guild Wars Factions Manuscripts in the chapter where they talk about alliance battles, you'll see that the line is designed to curve a lot -- much more that we see here. The screenshot in that manual has all the northeastern Luxon outposts captured by the Kurzicks also, effectively closing the Luxons in on three sides.

Da Cebuano

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Virginia born in Cebu

Jelly Toast[jT]

W/

03 Jun 2006 at 17:36 - 23

Are you guys serious? it seemed to me like Anet always placed Luxons at a more favorable position. They always manage to cap all their shrines on their side MUCH faster and more accessible to their spawns. Maybe its time you finally admit that the majority of players in GW went kurzick and along that population, a great deal of great pvp players, could be possible you know

I've played all maps, and the only times the map seem to "favor" kurzick is when good players are on kurzick and overwhelm the luxons. Its not about which map favors, blame it on the players.

Also, the whole kurzick vs luxon is just a concept really, as there really isn't anything to be gotten out of it. I mean yeah, kurzick invade luxon territory, so what? its just more blue dots on the map.. does it do anything? no... seriously its all design crap. When you invade a town, generally you own it and have everything accessible to you. All Luxon NPCs will be presumably ransacked/killed and replaced w/ kurzick NPCs, while offering the same luxon items but accessible to kurzick aligned individuals.

scrinner

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

03 Jun 2006 at 17:40 - 24

I AB allot and i must say.. their are some really bad luxon players. Stop with the Zerg swarms, Stop with sending AFKERS on the kurzik side and Just play the game!!! Now that your losing doesnt mean theres something BUGGED, it just means your players need finetuning. And Btw etnaran is Way more luxon favored then kurzik, yet you guys are still loosing. You get 3-4 Easy caps.

Da Cebuano

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Virginia born in Cebu

Jelly Toast[jT]

W/

03 Jun 2006 at 17:43 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dzan

Has nothing to do with the skill of the Luxon and everything to do with the price of Amber compared to Jadeite. Most of the better pvp players are playing Kurzick since you make more plat per hour farming Amber than Jadeite in AB's.

yeah, and we all know that better pvp player just love to grind right

Alliance battling faction is actually a very bad way to invest time if you're serious about using amber as a source of income, as there are faster ways to earn em. ABs are only there for pvp players to earn faction w/o having to deal w/ the pve side of things too much, so using the whole money angle defeats the purpose of what most narrow minded pure pvp individuals stand for.

Although if you are talking about the fact that most intelligent and skilled individuals who are successful on both ends of the game going kurzick... well blame it on the 15k kurzick armors and their 1.5ks as well

Seriously If I were in the ANET design team, the concept artist for factions would've been castrated by now.

Crisis54

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

03 Jun 2006 at 18:03 - 26

I just wish there was something more DRAMATIC with these lines. When I hop on, it's like

"ohhh line changed...........mehh?"

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

03 Jun 2006 at 18:07 - 27

dont know if this will work but heres some pictures i taken this month of kurzicks getting royaly pwned

Picture 1 (zoom in if you can some how)

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...Vino/gw910.jpg

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Picture 2 Close Ups

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...Vino/gw912.jpg

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picture 3 more close ups

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...Vino/gw913.jpg

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picture 4 even more

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...Vino/gw915.jpg

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need i say more

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

03 Jun 2006 at 18:09 - 28

Line is now half-distance between Harvest/Pits.

Hmm.

EDIT: The Mad King George's screenshots are fake. It's impossible for the Luxons to take Missions and House zu Heltzer.

Veron

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Leather Rebels [LR]

03 Jun 2006 at 18:15 - 29

This is starting to look like that screenshot under the Nika flap of the Factions box. >_<

Zio

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2005

Armour Of The Republic

E/Me

03 Jun 2006 at 18:18 - 30

This is the first time I've seen the line move much, and at first I thought it was pretty exciting!

But to find out it has absolutely no impact on the game is pretty disapointing. There's no reason to care where the line is..

It's still a neat game dynamic though, if they'd just add some meaningful impact because of it, it'd be very cool.

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

03 Jun 2006 at 18:19 - 31

bo its not i wouldnt know how to fake plus look at the lines

Crazyvietguy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

[Njk]

Rt/

03 Jun 2006 at 18:27 - 32

LOL those pics are fake, i could have done that on paint. Also if they arnt fake.. then why are we noticing the sudden line change now? especially since (by your post) the lines been moving everyday. Maybe the millions of GW players are all just blind.. yeah of course.

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

03 Jun 2006 at 18:29 - 33

there not fake ther havnt took missions and yes the can take house do heltzer as it is owned by an alliance

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

03 Jun 2006 at 18:30 - 34

there not fake lol i dont even have paint or know how to use it

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

03 Jun 2006 at 18:32 - 35

there not fake on my half as i took the screen shot and the were only there for a few seconds maby thats why noone saw them

Crisis54

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

03 Jun 2006 at 18:36 - 36

The fact that you posted 3 times in a row mean they are fake.

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

03 Jun 2006 at 18:37 - 37

the fact that your making opinons on how many times i defend that there real makes you a moron

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

03 Jun 2006 at 18:38 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMadKingGeorge

there not fake on my half as i took the screen shot and the were only there for a few seconds maby thats why noone saw them

The line updates every 3 hours. (Next update is 5:00 EST, for example. The recent change happened at 2:00 EST. Do the Math).

So yeah, that's a lie.

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

03 Jun 2006 at 18:38 - 39

and if there fake and that guy said he can make them on paint i challenge him to do so as mine arnt fake as you can see by the underneath of the boarder line

TheMadKingGeorge

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

None

Mo/W

03 Jun 2006 at 18:40 - 40

no its not a lie if you played the weekend event you would of seen images like these msot of the time i dont know if there glitches or something but there real