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CobraC081375

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/E

Up to lvl 10 for all of these builds i would like to know what stats and skills i would need as well as make suggestions on what armors, accessories, and weapons, etc. i should strive to get/save.

Necro/Elem-plan on dealing death damage while being able to heal a party and using AoE attacks for solo if possible

Ranger/Necro-being able to attack from afar without bein in close range and as because in most games Rangers have low hp so would like to be able to absorb hp from monsters.

Monk/?- make any suggestions...wanna be able to hand-2-hand kick some ass every now and then and deal high damage while doing it.

Elem/?-make any suggestions...don't want to heal in this one except myself..i play a healer on another game and healing all the time sucks...wanna be able to multi attack/AoE

Basically for all these characters i want to be PvP and PvM(monster) and also be able to participate in some wars when i have time to.

suiraCLAW

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

First of all: you shouldn't even think about solo'ing anything in guild wars (except if you want to gank in gvg's, but I bet that you have no idea what that is )

nec/ele : try a MM build...

ranger/nec : rangers attack from far, don't even think about stealing health while staying away from mobs and keeping your energy pool alive.

monk/? : monks heal, I repeat: MONKS HEAL, nothing else (except gimmick builds)

Ele: If you want to nuke, go pyromancer.

@the mods here: pls move this topic to a better place.

CobraC081375

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/E

hahaha i soloed to 8 because i didnt know you could party on certain quest...i didnt know you could use party members from a quest til lvl 8 at old ascalon city

whats MM build?
whats a nuke and if so how do i build a pyromancer?

im playin a friends account at the moment and build a N/E character with all bonelace armor and a nice few items to boot.

theres so much to this game i dont even understand....i thought kalonline had alot to understand but this oen takes the cake...sounds very interesting

CobraC081375

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/E

what about a Necro/Mesmer?

CobraC081375

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/E

duh Monk/Mesmer?

CobraC081375

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/E

which would be primary and which would be secondary? monk/mesmer or mesmer/monk?

If so what skills and how would i distribute points among the character?

Infinite Minds

Infinite Minds

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Ocean City, MD

Dark Grenth Terminators

R/Mo

monk/mesmer FTW, try out a boon prot build, get you builds here

http://http://www.guildwarsguru.com/...ad.php?t=88308

Infinite Minds

Infinite Minds

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Ocean City, MD

Dark Grenth Terminators

R/Mo

k well my URL didn twrk, so just go to the monk subtitle on the campfire section, go to build directory submissions, there should b all you need for monking in there

oneiros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

R/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by CobraC081375
Up to lvl 10 for all of these builds i would like to know what stats and skills i would need as well as make suggestions on what armors, accessories, and weapons, etc. i should strive to get/save.

Necro/Elem-plan on dealing death damage while being able to heal a party and using AoE attacks for solo if possible

Ranger/Necro-being able to attack from afar without bein in close range and as because in most games Rangers have low hp so would like to be able to absorb hp from monsters.

Monk/?- make any suggestions...wanna be able to hand-2-hand kick some ass every now and then and deal high damage while doing it.

Elem/?-make any suggestions...don't want to heal in this one except myself..i play a healer on another game and healing all the time sucks...wanna be able to multi attack/AoE

Basically for all these characters i want to be PvP and PvM(monster) and also be able to participate in some wars when i have time to. Hi there. First off if you ever wanted to solo you should make your monk a monk/warrior. there is a famous build called the "55 hp" build that makes use of monk/warrior and it is really good for soloing. Note that as you go through the game groups will expect you to heal on your monk because there just isn't enough monks around. You can change your "build" whenever you want though so don't worry too much.

As for the rangers having "low hp" in guild wars all classes have the same HP. The only thing that seperates their survivability is their armor and their skills. Of course warriors have the best armor for taking damage.

As for secondarys it is always useful to take /mo as a secondary if you're unsure since you can just use it for a reusuable ressurect and nothing else if you want. Once you get to the end game you can take a quest to change your secondary whenever you want so you aren't locked into the first secondary you choose.

Also I'm not sure if you're aware since you said you soloed till level 8 but every town has henchmen that you can take with you when you go out. they are just computer controlled guys that come along with you. hold down your alt key in town and look the guys with [xxxx henchman] after their name.

As for weapons the easiest way to get a "perfect" weapon is to get one off of the various "collectors" spread around the wilderness. You could also just buy a max dmg weapon off a player. Note that collectors don't sell "max" weapons until the level 20+ areas.

If you want good builds for your classes check out the profession forums for whatever class you're looking for. There will be lots of people suggesting various builds there.

Don Zardeone

Don Zardeone

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

I wouldn't go 55monk as a newb to GW.

Try playing every profession in the way they are "supposed" to be used.

Warrior: kill stuff and protect team
Monk: heal stuff
Ranger: kill stuff from range or make doggies kill stuff
Necro: make undead stuff to kill stuff for you
Ele: kill stuff by letting it rain fire or whatever = destructionmage

Once you get the hang of everything try these:
Necro: your necro is a N/E. I hardly ever see any of those. You might notice a lot of MMs. Minion Masters and Spiteful Spirit necros are the most popular necros right now. MMs create their own small army of undead and SSnecros make stupid people die.

Monk: full healer, use 5energy healing spells. Go Mo/Me for nice energy management.
Once you get better look up on protting, bonding, etc.
Attributes to raise: healing and divine favor

Ranger, eh, most popular seems to be barrageranger. They attack several targets at once. Besides attacking from range, rangers can also spread degen with apply poison and interrupt enemies quite nicely (interrupting will stop the enemy from doing whatever he is about to do. If an enemy monk is casting a spell, you can stop it from being cast)

Ele. You said you wanted your necro to be able to heal party.. Monks heal, all the other profession DONT. Unless you're a utility emo. E/Mo can be a utility elementalist that uses utility spells like wards and heal party.
People will tell you to go nuker at first but nukers LOOk good and powerful but in reality they're quite crap. Only if you're really really good at it will you make a difference.

LightningHell

LightningHell

(????????????)???

Join Date: Aug 2005

Hong Kong

Guildless

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Zardeone
E/Mo can be a utility elementalist that uses utility spells like wards and heal party.
People will tell you to go nuker at first but nukers LOOk good and powerful but in reality they're quite crap. Only if you're really really good at it will you make a difference. In fact, it's the primary use of the profession.

I'll give you a build.

Flashbot (Geez, I'm typing this build up a LOT nowadays.)

E/Mo (My version. It's basically standard, but...well...a skill or two?)
Energy Storage: 11 +1
Air Magic: 10 +3 +1
Healing Prayers: 10

Heal Party
Blinding Flash
Ether Prodigy {E}
Enervating Charge
Lightning Orb (In PvE, I would sub for Lightning Strike. P'raps.)
Windborne Speed (GvG/TA)/Gale (Nearly all others)
Heal Other (Mainly since I usually play with suboptimal healers - my * friends * who have a reaction time of five seconds -_-)
Resurrection Signet

By the way where are you?

(If you can do Warding, do so. But don't PuG as a Warder; it sucks trying to keep everyone (casters) in the ward.)

CobraC081375

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/E

so far ive played a Necro/Elementalist...me likes...also i played a monk/everything cus you can do the quest and everything for each profession before actually choosing a profession....i dont like the monk that much really...die too easily trying to attack and heal a party(NPC party that is)...so i think ill stick with my necro/ele...seems to have the combination of skills i like better...warriors: well kinda reminds me of the Marines(no offense) always the first to be called and always the first to die....hehehehehe...I also like the Mesmer/Monk but again too many diff types of casting....I havent tried a Necro/Mes yet...when i get my own copy of the game i may try it out. Right now i play on a friends acct just to kinda get a hang of the game a bit. The only thing i dont like about this game is you have no storage keeper to maintain items only gold and that your inventory is very small and limited to how much you can carry so if youre trying to collect items before heading to old ascalon city makes it a little difficult

CobraC081375

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/E

If imma necro/ele what would be my best skills to take on for the following:
energy management
dealing high damage
self health and healing
dealing damage
removing hexes
giving hexes/curses
energy/health consumption of the opponent(if possible)
farming

also i need to know where to put my stat points into

also i notice when youre creating a character theres something like PVP or PVE and Quest or something other...whats that about?

jesh

jesh

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

San Diego, CA

Penguin Village

Mo/

I noticed you said this.


Quote:
Monk/?- make any suggestions...wanna be able to hand-2-hand kick some ass every now and then and deal high damage while doing it.
And everyone told you to be a boon protector with Mantra of Recall. Geez... There's a thing called smiting, people. And I bet he'd love it.


As for this..
Quote:
If imma necro/ele what would be my best skills to take on for the following:
energy management
dealing high damage
self health and healing
dealing damage
removing hexes
giving hexes/curses
energy/health consumption of the opponent(if possible)
farming

also i need to know where to put my stat points into

also i notice when youre creating a character theres something like PVP or PVE and Quest or something other...whats that about? 1. Try Offering of Blood for energy, or just pump up that soul reaping. Soul reaping is incredibly abusable at high levels in PvE.
2. High damage.. really you can choose any of the necromancer attributes. Curses have Feast of Corruption, Spiteful Spirit (SS), Mark of Pain, and of course Insidious Parasite and degeneration.
Death has minions and cold damge, and the awesome skills known as Death Nova. *shivers with pleasure*
Blood has.. well health steals, and lots that are scary.
3. Any necro line of magic has crazy self heals. Check out the skill listing if you want to learn more. Necros are so easy to heal.. I cry when I see one die in a PuG. I cry for all humanity.

::link to skills::

4. See number 2.
5. Out of luck there, buddy. Necromancers are specialists at dealing with conditions, and elementalists are specialists at pretending that hexes aren't there. You won't be able to remove those with that class combination. Mesmer and Monk have the only hex removal tools as far as I know.
6. Try the curses magic and water/earth magic lines.
7. That would be the mesmer's specialty, though you do have whither and malaise. They aren't too effective except against stupid people.
8. Ask someone to link you to a 55 necro build. There are enough posts polluting the boards on this as it is.

elektra_lucia

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

England

Leteci is [sexy]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by suiraCLAW
First of all: you shouldn't even think about solo'ing anything in guild wars (except if you want to gank in gvg's, but I bet that you have no idea what that is )

nec/ele : try a MM build...

ranger/nec : rangers attack from far, don't even think about stealing health while staying away from mobs and keeping your energy pool alive.

monk/? : monks heal, I repeat: MONKS HEAL, nothing else (except gimmick builds)

Ele: If you want to nuke, go pyromancer.

@the mods here: pls move this topic to a better place. "ranger/nec : rangers attack from far, don't even think about stealing health while staying away from mobs and keeping your energy pool alive."

Uhm? Touch rangers ftw =P.

"monk/? : monks heal, I repeat: MONKS HEAL, nothing else (except gimmick builds)
"

Dualsmite? Not heard of it in PVP? Smiting works in PVE too. I repeat, SMITING works in PVE too!

"Necro: make undead stuff to kill stuff for you"

B-Spike? Where's the undead stuff in that? Mass degen, where's the undead stuff in that? I tried B-Spike in TopK once =X.

" Up to lvl 10 for all of these builds i would like to know what stats and skills i would need as well as make suggestions on what armors, accessories, and weapons, etc. i should strive to get/save."

The best suggestion I can give you is ignore people, and try work out things yourself... A lot of people give advice which isn't worth listening too..

CobraC081375

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by elektra_lucia
"ranger/nec : rangers attack from far, don't even think about stealing health while staying away from mobs and keeping your energy pool alive."

Uhm? Touch rangers ftw =P.

"monk/? : monks heal, I repeat: MONKS HEAL, nothing else (except gimmick builds)
"

Dualsmite? Not heard of it in PVP? Smiting works in PVE too. I repeat, SMITING works in PVE too!

"Necro: make undead stuff to kill stuff for you"

B-Spike? Where's the undead stuff in that? Mass degen, where's the undead stuff in that? I tried B-Spike in TopK once =X.

" Up to lvl 10 for all of these builds i would like to know what stats and skills i would need as well as make suggestions on what armors, accessories, and weapons, etc. i should strive to get/save."

The best suggestion I can give you is ignore people, and try work out things yourself... A lot of people give advice which isn't worth listening too..
you didn't get much attention as a child, did you? Anyway, since im just a noob i appreciate you comments.

elektra_lucia

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

England

Leteci is [sexy]

Mo/

I belong to a family of millionaires, by the age of 16 I had made hundreds of thousands of pounds (double for dollars, I guess). I had helped family a lot and everything I did, I was good at.

I was also really good looking as a child(note the word _WAS_ lol).

So yeah, I got attention, for good looks and intelligence + love off my family, but I ask you this :

How did you come to the conclusion, and assumption that I had suffered a lack of attention at an early age, from a post stating that you should use your own brain to think?

For your information, my advice was to help you use your brain to help you help yourself, not to help you attack me; however, thanks for proving my advice was worth while. You clearly do not use your brain, and if you do, you might find things a whole lot easier...

That's of course, if you have one...

"Anyway, since im just a noob i appreciate you comments."

I doubt you have the intelligence to appreciate anything to be honest.

P.S. I don't even know why you say "much attention". I am an attention w h o r e, yes, but by helping you I wasn't after attention. I was just trying to be kind thank you for shoving it right back in my face.

CobraC081375

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/E

well obviously youre a conceited, silver spoon fed, ugly butt(not what i wanted to say, but will work) from england/london/uk cannot take a joke and forgot to spend some of that money on a humor class. Secondly, I support a network of 5000 stores U.S. and 2000 canada. I'm a tech who troubleshoots networks, pc's and POS systems all day in a dept. of 20 or less, so don't try to tell me i don't use my brain. Thirdly, when learning something new just like a child, or even an adult, you have to teach them or point them in the right direction. I'm sure if it were'nt for your mum showing you how to make crumpets and tea...you wouldn't know how. So in short and light of your stupidity, cut a noob who is looking for some guidance in a game he does not understand some slack and keep your rich boy comments to yourself if you're not gonna be helpful and can't take a joke.

Male Gigolo

Male Gigolo

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Abidjan, Ivory Coast, West Africa

Black Metal Clan

Mo/Me

I dont see why you're mad at him...he was giving you an advice and you were the one asking for advice.

anyway before this thread get's closed for flaming let me just add. You can do whatever you want with your character. Just don't split your attribute points too much. Usually you max 1 out and other 2 around 10. That's when you are done getting both of the attribute points quests. Its all up to you.

Anway its hard to give you advice coz you're asking for sooo many different characters. And also coz you want to do things that normal newbs dont try out coz it's for more advanced players.

Anyway good luck!

Pick Me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Thornill, ON, Canada

THE CANUCK MONKS (TCM)

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by CobraC081375
Up to lvl 10 for all of these builds i would like to know what stats and skills i would need as well as make suggestions on what armors, accessories, and weapons, etc. i should strive to get/save.

Necro/Elem-plan on dealing death damage while being able to heal a party and using AoE attacks for solo if possible

Ranger/Necro-being able to attack from afar without bein in close range and as because in most games Rangers have low hp so would like to be able to absorb hp from monsters.

Monk/?- make any suggestions...wanna be able to hand-2-hand kick some ass every now and then and deal high damage while doing it.

Elem/?-make any suggestions...don't want to heal in this one except myself..i play a healer on another game and healing all the time sucks...wanna be able to multi attack/AoE

Basically for all these characters i want to be PvP and PvM(monster) and also be able to participate in some wars when i have time to. Hmmm... I'll try to help you if I can.

N/E - sadly Death is not an attribute that can do really good damage. The best damage is either corpse explosions (putrid explosion) or through health degeneration (from disease). If this is your hope, then get Tainted Flesh (e) or Virulence (e). (e) = elite.

N/E - is okay, but if you go with Death, become a Minion Master (MM), this means you use only Death spells that help or create minions (thus no room for any elemental skills. Make sure you have Animate Bone Fiend, Animate Bone Horror/Minion, Verata's Sacrifice, Blood of the Master, Poison Nova, Animate Flesh Golem (e) but can only be found in Factions)

Necromancers - if you want to party heal, well of blood or well of power (e) are the only spells you have that can actually do that. AoE spells, the best is Spiteful Spirit (e) (doesn't trigger AoE manerisms). Then would come Meteor Shower (does trigger AoE algorithm)

R/N - all classes have the same amount of hitpoints, but the armor and energy is different; Rangers provide a portable corpse (pet) so you can do MM with it; currently a popular build for PvP is the Touch Ranger - must have Factions as well

Mo/x - the only way you can hope to kick butt is to do a 55 monk. See the threads for it.

E/x - slow using water (0 points) and nuke (fire or earth). Slow them down and watch them get crushed under meteors or big stones.

My characters are:
N/Me - SS+blood (and battery), Pure interupt, MM, Total Health Degen. Can also be a plague bearer and spread your conditions to the masses.

W/R - Poison Warrior, Runner, Part time Barrager

R/Mo - Pet Master, Trapper, Barrager

Mo/E - Healer, Boon Protector, Bonder, Nuker when with henchies

Rit/N - MM, Restorer, SS+blood

A/Rit - no builds yet, just started.

Hope this helps a bit.

elektra_lucia

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

England

Leteci is [sexy]

Mo/

Cobra

Just call me arrogant, it'd sound like an insult to most people, and it'd be the only truthful thing you said all paragraph.

"silver spoon fed"

Well at least I happened to help buy that silver spoon heh.

" ugly butt"

WELL OBVIOUSLY. I mean that's logic isn't it? I try help you in a post, you attack me, I defend myself - and then I'm ugly. Of course dude, why even state the obvious...

"I'm a tech who troubleshoots networks, pc's and POS systems all day in a dept."

And when ya have a problem, do you call people for help? :/. Now I know why PC world went so bad...

"Thirdly, when learning something new just like a child, or even an adult, you have to teach them or point them in the right direction."

Some get taught to swim, some teach themselves. We all know where you'd be (asking people how you put a swimming hat on).

"I'm sure if it were'nt for your mum showing you how to make crumpets and tea...you wouldn't know how."

What and this is original humour? Wow...

"So in short and light of your stupidity, cut a noob who is looking for some guidance in a game he does not understand some slack and keep your rich boy comments to yourself if you're not gonna be helpful and can't take a joke."

Trust me, I can take a joke... I take your whole posts as a joke. I mean when you write things like "i dont like the monk that much really...die too easily trying to attack ", how on earth am I supposed to take you seriously?

For your information not everyone in England is from London, go learn some geography.

*edit*

Your lucky day : I felt like helping someone.

Right, I'll try explain things simple to you... The skills are fairly logical, if you have one skill, it might work well with another. If you _READ_ (start to make a PVP char' so you can view all the skills ), or look on guildwarsguru.com (it's a weird site, ignore the stupid people, especially with the names of cobra and such ) them, you'll see things like a trap... Then it says "this skill is easily interupted". That means, your enemy doesn't even NEED an _INTERUPT_ to interupt you (interupt, just think about back when you're talking nonsense and everyone tries to shove a ball in your mouth, that's interupting).

Now what you'd like is a skill to make it harder to interupt, agreed?

So go along - read through all the skills, you'll see something like "mantra of resolve", it's a mesmer skill... It stops you being interupted =) At the cost of energy... Or a skill called trappers focus, but I'll keep it simple (wouldn't want to lose you) and say you're with resolve...

Now you might want ranger/mesmer. Agreed? For those skills mentioned...

If you had a brain, you'd of looked BEFORE hand at the skills and then decide on your secondary. Myself and I hope everyone here appreciates your stupidity (and of course I await your next attempt to impress me with your stupidity) so we can forgive your mistake.

Luckily for you, this game was probably aimed at people like yourself - so guess what? You can change secondary in the desert . Yeah, and you were just about to get your m16 and kill your school buddies huh? Now, when you have resolve, and you're a trapper it's the start of a good build... Right?

For hex removal, you might think, ok remove hex works but you want energy too! Then you can look up a skill like this (also a mesmer skill), that might be good for a monk...

Now in IWAY, I mean you'd be a perfect candidate for an IWAY player! You have a necro, but he has to also knock the enemy down _AND_ speed up your team party... So you'll run a necro/ele with windborne speed!

For warrior, a good skill is "shock" it knocks the enemy down...

Now I won't keep posting about builds... You think up one, and ask its falts... I'll help you^; however, I will NEVER give my recipe on how to make good crumpets!

jesh

jesh

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

San Diego, CA

Penguin Village

Mo/

Pretty sure the reason that he was telling us the secondaries he has is because he's playing on a friend's account. I know if I was his friend, I wouldn't appreciate him spending gold on new skills/etc.

And not to be too opinionated or anything, but the last time I checked, this forum was about PvE builds, not trying to deflate someone's ego so you can get your panties wet. Keep to advice, yes?



Some advice: whoever said death magic can't do damage?
Let's mention a few skills worth considering if minions aren't your cup of tea.

Death Nova
Edge of Extinction
Icy Veins {E}
Taste of Pain
Deathly Swarm

If you don't like them, blow them up.
Now let's see here. Necros have this thing called soul reaping, right? It gives you energy when things die. The idea with this is to summon some minion.. prefferably more than once at once, and cast death nova on each. Use taste of death to destroy the minion and self heal. Edge of Extinction will hurt the mobs that took damage from your attacks. Icy veins will help fuel the chain reaction. You can also add in Well of Suffering or whatever to help the damage along. Well of Suffering + Poison from Death Nova = 9 degen at least.

Deathly Swarm I just put in there for arguement's sake. People have it in their head that elementalists are the only damage dealers in the game, and assassins are invincible. My guess is this comes from a childhood full of Naruto and Diablo II.
If you look at the skill descriptions, Deathly swarm deals 67 damage on up to 3 targets with 12 death magic. Chain Lightning deals 70. Chain lightning uses a different element, air vs cold, and also has a 25% armor penetration. Deathly swarm doesn't have either, making it maybe a little less spikey, but also a lot more usable. 16 death magic brings this spell up to 86 damage per target, while Chain lightning is 90 damage at 16 air magic.
Deathly Swarm also has a much lower recharge time.


Necromancers obviously don't have any good damage skills.

elektra_lucia

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

England

Leteci is [sexy]

Mo/

Actually if you study his post Quote:
i should strive to get/save.
it was about him not his friend and from the sounds of it he was willing to save up for things, buy skills etc... I wasn't telling him to buy it right away, was I?

If you read the post it shows he is level 10, probably not able to switch secondaries yet... So by telling him you could change it in the desert I was giving him advice for later which will correct his current error. Yes?

Quote:
I know if I was his friend, I wouldn't appreciate him spending gold on new skills/etc. At level ten, you can collect quite a few skills just from doing the quests (if this is in tyria). Changing profession in the desert is free also .

Quote: And not to be too opinionated or anything, but the last time I checked, this forum was about PvE builds Sounds opinionated to me, and you might well be right; however, when (and I'll say it again) you read his post he wanted information for PVP too, here's to make it simple for you: Quote: Basically for all these characters i want to be PvP and PvM(monster) and also be able to participate in some wars when i have time to . For your information monsters can interupt traps too, players in PVP arn't the only ones . I stated in my first post that bloodspike works in TopK too...

Quote: Let's mention a few skills worth considering if minions aren't your cup of tea. At level 10 he probably won't have "Icy Veins {E}" and according to you he's on his friends account, thus he'll be having to spend money and he is forbidden to do that from an assumption by you... Agreed? So you just proved yourself illogical and a hypocrite... If you read his post it doesn't imply he was on his friends account at all infact... I don't know how you assumed that; however, thank you for that extra information to help me prove you to be an...

Quote:
Necromancers obviously don't have any good damage skills. As for this comment, that was about death magic skills specifically; therefore, I think you can agree that 8 death magic skills will probably not be the same ammount and type of damage as an Ele. In addition, "death magic" implies the skill is generally related to "death" or things dying... Where as ele's damage are unconditional. Granted "Deathly Swarm" is not, but most of them are

Edge of extinction is Beast Mastery too, not death magic... Once again, it relies on an enemy dying too... You can't just nuke a target like you can with an ele.

Not to say I wouldn't use a non MM necro for damage... I would, just not a necro with only death magic...

Quote:
N/E - sadly Death is not an attribute that can do really good damage. The best damage is either corpse explosions (putrid explosion) or through health degeneration (from disease). If this is your hope, then get Tainted Flesh (e) or Virulence (e). (e) = elite. This was the original bit about death magic, and he is kind of right with this... Unless you go down the route of MM.

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Necros have this thing called soul reaping, right? It gives you energy when things die. The idea with this is to summon some minion.. No it's not... People who use blood magic, or SS necros use soul reaping too... The idea of it is for energy management fullstop. Are you telling me the thread poster was incapable of reading the description of soul reaping himself? :/.

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not trying to deflate someone's ego so you can get your panties wet. Keep to advice, yes? If you bothered to read my first post you would of seen that it was ALL advice... Things like soul reaping surely he can READ the discription on his own? And like I said about trapping, with resolve... It's logical thinking, if he can go down the path of logical thinking, he will improve at the game _ON HIS OWN_.

My second post was purely in defense of an attack towards me... If you're saying keep to advice and ignore attacks at me _FROM THE VERY PERSON I'M TRYING TO HELP_ then you are less logical than I gave you credit for...

So no, if I feel the need to defend myself I will.

Oh and please (it must come in threes right? :P) for the next half brained pseudo-educated troll that decides to dictate, argue and insult me here's some advice : Do a better job than the previous two.

You're all failing miserably...

CobraC081375

Ascalonian Squire

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ok that's the kinda post i was looking for and for multiple ppl's advice..ty

I made a N/E
she's lvl 8 almost 9 now
i put most of her atrrib points into blood/death magic
i put about 6 into soul reaping
i put about 3 in curses
and probably a couple in fire i think...dont remember this is all off the top of my head.

thanks for you guys help

Male Gigolo

Male Gigolo

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just another advice. during low levels try to focus only on 2 attributes. when you hit level 11 (i think or is it 12) you will have plenty of attribute points to use. Your primary attribute should be 9 or 10 and that's with the rune and the second attribute should be in the 5-7 range depending on your level of course.

well good luck with your necro. Dont forget to have fun trying different skills and such.

CobraC081375

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Ok first of all this was posted towards builds and info since the topic is on builds

secondly i appreciate any advice...what I don't appreciate is smart asses and ppl who think they know it all and have a holier than thou attitude and yes that s what you sound like elektra_lucia...so STAY THE F&%$ outta my thread unless you can be civilized and respectful and give some critical information.

And yes I can read and I can look things up but trying to save myself some time and headache by asking around which is what anyone smart would do.

Also i didn't know you could reset your secondary, because in the game I normally play in...in order to reset any skill or even attributes you have to spend like 3-5mil(3-5kk for some ppl) just to reset each attribute or skill set you screwed up, so I am asking around in case that was the case in this game also.

Thirdly, originally at some point in this post i did state i was playing on a friends account so you need to read more carefully. Now I have my own game, which i bought last week and now have N/E female lvl 11 almost 12 already

4th, don't jump on or attack other ppl that said nothing rude to you or has done nothing to you

Last but not least, STAY THE F%&$ OUTTA MY POST, unless you can be civlized, offer some advice without sounding holier than though and like something else which is not permitted to say in this forum's, and not bad talk other ppl when they said nothing to you.


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as for the rest of you:

I appreciate your advice and am considering each piece of information you have given me, even some of although not a whole lot of information, cus you're a flamer, you have given elektra_lucia

in the future elektra_lucia try being a little more understanding and nice and treat ppl with some respect. not everyone has had the luxuries you've had and continue to have and yes some ppl may not be as "smart" as you or whatever.

CobraC081375

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sorry double posted on accident

elektra_lucia

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Ok first of all this was posted towards builds and info since the topic is on builds
I stayed on topic then, until you went on about crumpets and tea or whatever^^.


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secondly i appreciate any advice...what I don't appreciate is smart asses and ppl who think they know it all and have a holier than thou attitude and yes that s what you sound like elektra_lucia...so STAY THE F&%$ outta my thread unless you can be civilized and respectful and give some critical information.
Look up the word respect... It means to be able to relate to, right? Well, I can't relate well to an idiot - I am trying my best here, so cut me some slack =).

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Also i didn't know you could reset your secondary
That is why I told you. No need to go on about it.

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Thirdly, originally at some point in this post i did state i was playing on a friends account so you need to read more carefully
That doesn't really alter anything I've said, as you sound prepared to spend money for skills, change characters or alter the account in some way... Like you would if it was your own, and you write more retarded than I do. It's hard to make sense of your rubbish sometimes.

My appology for not reading it though. I read your first post, and replied to that^ I didn't see you say you were on a friends account, in your first post...

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4th, don't jump on or attack other ppl that said nothing rude to you or has done nothing to you Re-read the thread, I didn't... You attacked me first...

Quote: Last but not least, STAY THE F%&$ OUTTA MY POST, unless you can be civlized, offer some advice without sounding holier than though and like something else which is not permitted to say in this forum's, and not bad talk other ppl when they said nothing to you. I will sound arrogant because I am, I will post here because I know it annoys you - and until I'm banned, stop dictating.

Quote: I appreciate your advice and am considering each piece of information you have given me, even some of although not a whole lot of information, cus you're a flamer, you have given elektra_lucia Let's look at that then should we?

Your first post :

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Up to lvl 10 for all of these builds i would like to know what stats and skills i would need as well as make suggestions on what armors, accessories, and weapons, etc. i should strive to get/save.

Necro/Elem-plan on dealing death damage while being able to heal a party and using AoE attacks for solo if possible

Ranger/Necro-being able to attack from afar without bein in close range and as because in most games Rangers have low hp so would like to be able to absorb hp from monsters.

Monk/?- make any suggestions...wanna be able to hand-2-hand kick some ass every now and then and deal high damage while doing it.

Elem/?-make any suggestions...don't want to heal in this one except myself..i play a healer on another game and healing all the time sucks...wanna be able to multi attack/AoE

Basically for all these characters i want to be PvP and PvM(monster) and also be able to participate in some wars when i have time to. My first post :

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First of all: you shouldn't even think about solo'ing anything in guild wars (except if you want to gank in gvg's, but I bet that you have no idea what that is )

nec/ele : try a MM build...

ranger/nec : rangers attack from far, don't even think about stealing health while staying away from mobs and keeping your energy pool alive.

monk/? : monks heal, I repeat: MONKS HEAL, nothing else (except gimmick builds)

Ele: If you want to nuke, go pyromancer.

@the mods here: pls move this topic to a better place. "ranger/nec : rangers attack from far, don't even think about stealing health while staying away from mobs and keeping your energy pool alive."

Uhm? Touch rangers ftw =P.

"monk/? : monks heal, I repeat: MONKS HEAL, nothing else (except gimmick builds)
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Dualsmite? Not heard of it in PVP? Smiting works in PVE too. I repeat, SMITING works in PVE too!

"Necro: make undead stuff to kill stuff for you"

B-Spike? Where's the undead stuff in that? Mass degen, where's the undead stuff in that? I tried B-Spike in TopK once =X.

" Up to lvl 10 for all of these builds i would like to know what stats and skills i would need as well as make suggestions on what armors, accessories, and weapons, etc. i should strive to get/save."

The best suggestion I can give you is ignore people, and try work out things yourself... A lot of people give advice which isn't worth listening too.. Your reply to me :

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you didn't get much attention as a child, did you? Anyway, since im just a noob i appreciate you comments. I never personally attacked anyone ;however, you did!

Regardless, my post was a post relating to builds and the topic at hand... Touch rangers are a build and so is bloodspike. You can use bloodspike in PVE and PVP... It'd suit you well =).

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in the future elektra_lucia try being a little more understanding and nice and treat ppl with some respect. not everyone has had the luxuries you've had and continue to have and yes some ppl may not be as "smart" as you or whatever. According to you, I got no attention as a child... I will also openly admit I had a CRAP education, so if we go by what you've said - these "luxuries" you talk of are a contradiction. I am a decent person because I chose to be, I think because I want to think, you; however, are a lazy ignorant person who wishes to remain ignorant...

CobraC081375

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Join Date: Jun 2006

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I stayed on topic then, until you went on about crumpets and tea or whatever^^.




Look up the word respect... It means to be able to relate to, right? Well, I can't relate well to an idiot - I am trying my best here, so cut me some slack =).



That is why I told you. No need to go on about it.



That doesn't really alter anything I've said, as you sound prepared to spend money for skills, change characters or alter the account in some way... Like you would if it was your own, and you write more retarded than I do. It's hard to make sense of your rubbish sometimes.

My appology for not reading it though. I read your first post, and replied to that^ I didn't see you say you were on a friends account, in your first post...



Re-read the thread, I didn't... You attacked me first...



I will sound arrogant because I am, I will post here because I know it annoys you - and until I'm banned, stop dictating.



Let's look at that then should we?

Your first post :



My first post :



Your reply to me :



I never personally attacked anyone ;however, you did!

Regardless, my post was a post relating to builds and the topic at hand... Touch rangers are a build and so is bloodspike. You can use bloodspike in PVE and PVP... It'd suit you well =). OMFG noob in noobland....just stfu...i never attacked anyone cus you have no sense of humor or american humor is not my issue anyway...WHAT A NUBCAKE!

anyway thanks guys for your help and assistance...and so helpme god if i ever ran into you IRL i'd jus assume to say i didnt see you there and run you down.

elektra_lucia

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OMFG noob in noobland....just stfu...
Wow.

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i never attacked anyone cus you have no sense of humor or american humor is not my issue anyway.
So you make jokes at the person trying to help you? That's still pretty mean^^. This doesn't look like an attack to you? :

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well obviously youre a conceited, silver spoon fed, ugly butt
cus you have no sense of humor or american humor What is it with bringing your country down with your stupidity? :/.

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and so helpme god if i ever ran into you IRL i'd jus assume to say i didnt see you there and run you down. Mature response...

CobraC081375

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anyway noob stfu

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anyway noob stfu
If you're so hell bent on dictating, why not consider the fact Hitler had a brain?

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well obviously youre a conceited, silver spoon fed, ugly butt As I said before, does this look like an insult to you?

You're in no position to call me a noob when you say things like

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i dont like the monk that much really...die too easily trying to attack LoL.

CobraC081375

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

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after you started being a smart ass...anyway i dont care anymore this is useless feuding to a person who think's he knows it all and takes away from the point of this thread and question...anyway back to my original post

ill have to figure out my stat point because i took away soul reaping or curses temporarily...i figure ill have enough attrib points between 11-20 to add more points to soul reaping...right now with runes on armor and scar patter i have blood 9 death is like 3-6 cant remember and fire is at 6 because of the wand i have right now...i prefer to use the wand rather with a divine something...cant remember off hand but it has better stats than most other stuff im getting as a drop. As opposed to using a 2h staff.

blarb

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anyway noob stfu Wow. Just wow.

blarb

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ill have to figure out my stat point because i took away soul reaping or curses temporarily...i figure ill have enough attrib points between 11-20 to add more points to soul reaping...right now with runes on armor and scar patter i have blood 9 death is like 3-6 cant remember and fire is at 6 because of the wand i have right now...i prefer to use the wand rather with a divine something...cant remember off hand but it has better stats than most other stuff im getting as a drop. As opposed to using a 2h staff. I'm sure you can find all the answers to your questions as well as a community with individuals of like IQ to you at gotfrag.com

CobraC081375

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Join Date: Jun 2006

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wow gg....maturity....here i am trying to downplay this situation and let it drop and someone else comes along and makes another useless comment and gg i'm surprised you even know how to spell IQ...anyway lets try this again. I am trying to make good of this situation and use this topic as it is intended so flame elsewhere.

Since I am a noob to this game, I am not sure if i am following the correct path for the character so I am asking for suggestions beyond lvl 11. right now i'm using slot 1 vamp. gaze, slot 2 deathly swarm , slot 3 life siphon, slot 4 Animate Bone Horror, slot 5 Vampiric Touch , slot 6 pheonix , slot 7 fire storm, slot 8 Glyph of Lesser Energy(i think is right one)

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Originally Posted by CobraC081375
after you started being a smart ass...anyway i dont care anymore this is useless feuding to a person who think's he knows it all and takes away from the point of this thread and question...anyway back to my original post

ill have to figure out my stat point because i took away soul reaping or curses temporarily...i figure ill have enough attrib points between 11-20 to add more points to soul reaping...right now with runes on armor and scar patter i have blood 9 death is like 3-6 cant remember and fire is at 6 because of the wand i have right now...i prefer to use the wand rather with a divine something...cant remember off hand but it has better stats than most other stuff im getting as a drop. As opposed to using a 2h staff.
Who thinks she knows it all and does^^.

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takes away from the point of this thread and question. Uhh, no it was you who changed the thread to "humor" and jokes about me having little attention when I was a child and such, yes?

You are quite amazing... It's cute I guess. Like a dog... That walks into a window and doesn't see it^^.

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wow gg....maturity....here i am trying to downplay this situation and let it drop and someone else comes along and makes another useless comment. So people are supposed to change their thoughts and posts according to when your mood changes from insulting/sucking up/ leeching and comedy ??? What is it with you? You have tried to downplay the situation and expect everyone to just go along with what you want? I don't even see how you have "downplay" the situation, I'm stubborn. I admit even I made a mistake and didn't see you were on your friends account; however, you blatantly insult me (personal insults) numerous times and deny everyone of those... You say they were for "humor".

You then say people shouldn't change topic, this forum isn't for comedy, it's for guildwars...

You're such a hypocrite lol.