Enough is enough.. after failing Vizunah Square 9 times in a row, I'm rapidly running out of patience with players going through the Canthan (Local) side of this mission. This is an alliance mission.. there are 2 groups.. stop being a bunch of idiots and bringing henchmen!!! Not once in the 9 attempts did the Canthan group have more than 3 human players, and the henchmen are too stupid to try and heal Togo and Mhenlo, placing the burden on the 1 or 2 real monks who are already trying to keep their group alive. The henchmen die, then the 1 or 2 humans on the Canthan side either die or just leave, and then Togo or Mhenlo dies in the midst of the melee.
If you don't have the patience to get into a group with real people, quit ruining it for countless Tyrian groups who are trying to advance through the game, and just don't do the mission.
Rant! Vizunah Square...
pelmensilverwolf
Walts_2
But henchies are better than real people...
Hockster
Hmm, Masters reward, twice, with 15 hench. I guess it's just you.
Snow Board Guy
basic reward, we were foreign full group, they were one guy with henchies. they ALL died.
Lady Lozza
*Shrug* get a well spammer on your team. That way if you have one real, and rest hench, and they leave (causing the henchie to die) and you only have 8 left, you still can complete the mission successfully.
wilq
I did it three times (twice as a Canthan, once as a Tyrian) at the time where there was almost no one there in the outposts... me plus 7 henchies plus the other team containing only henchies, both times I was 2 minutes shy of the master's reward. No one died, no problem at all 
Although I had also other team dying couple of times when I tried it during the time when more people are there. They didn't even manage to meet my team.
Although I had also other team dying couple of times when I tried it during the time when more people are there. They didn't even manage to meet my team.
Walts_2
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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza
*Shrug* get a well spammer on your team. That way if you have one real, and rest hench, and they leave (causing the henchie to die) and you only have 8 left, you still can complete the mission successfully.
But usually it's the other team that dies and the solo person with henchies has to carry on by themselves. At least that has always been my experiance.
With all henchies on both sides this mission is a breeze.
With all henchies on both sides this mission is a breeze.
Selena_Lionheart
Tried three times with groups on my Rit, died in the first enemy wave, yea, that soon. Tried once with henchmen, masters reward, and no henchmen died, at all, until the third wave of enemies. *Curse Su for ruining my streak...* The other team was all humans, but also good, and I think more then a tad supprised at how well I was doing, as the attitude went from "Damnit, not another stupid hench team." To "You rock!" ^_^
... *Smacks self for semi boasting* Still, true story.
... *Smacks self for semi boasting* Still, true story.
WiLdFiRe111
Wow... <- Masters with 15 henchmen (I was healer monk)
It's not that hard a mission, I honestly don't know what you're going on about.
It's not that hard a mission, I honestly don't know what you're going on about.
Blaarg
Every time I've done it, henchmen vastly out-perform random players.. Whenever another player joins (I am Tyrian), it's ALWAYS a level 13-17 assassin or ritualist..
cosyfiep
I think its the computer that decides who you get on the otherside....and gives you what you dont want (murphys law).
For me it seems 3 is the lucky number---must do the mission 3 times to complete it (still have yet to get masters---but have 2 swords for them all).....have only 1 more character to go thru it--my mesmer, and am NOT looking forward to it (think I will bring barage and my pet---me/r and see how that goes).
It was wierd to finally do it with my canthan character (we had a bitch of a time getting a real monk...but we finally did it on the, yes, 3rd attempt).
For me it seems 3 is the lucky number---must do the mission 3 times to complete it (still have yet to get masters---but have 2 swords for them all).....have only 1 more character to go thru it--my mesmer, and am NOT looking forward to it (think I will bring barage and my pet---me/r and see how that goes).
It was wierd to finally do it with my canthan character (we had a bitch of a time getting a real monk...but we finally did it on the, yes, 3rd attempt).
Commander Ryker
I think part of the reason they go with henchies is that there isn't that many people in local. We put together a rag tag bunch and still beat it. We had one hench, Talon who rocks.
Sai of Winter
This mission is actually henchable. First time I did Vizunah (boon-protting) with seven henches, I ended up playing with another player who was also partied up with seven henchies. Surprisingly, he was an assassin and we ended up with the Master's reward. xD
Second time, went as SS wounded up playing with an MM. We didn't Master's, but we were able to finish it.
Second time, went as SS wounded up playing with an MM. We didn't Master's, but we were able to finish it.
Reks
The only real problem is the henches' reactions to the players on the other team. If ANet would fix this, then there would be absolutely NO problems.
Sofonisba
Yes, I did this 6 times tonight, finally got it right when there was a FULL team of henchmen on the Canthan side - NO real players. Togo was never even in trouble.
It's your humans who screw things up, as usual...
It's your humans who screw things up, as usual...
Kcp
I beat viz square with my lvl 14 ele and an ALL hench team from both sides and got masters award........ Whats the problem?
Skuld
I like henchmen, they are predictable
Helll is for Heroes
i got 15 henchies and completed vizunah, its THAT easy.
just dont go on an aggro fest. take it slower.
just dont go on an aggro fest. take it slower.
Leddy
I've never completed it with ANY human players on the other side.
Only when it was 8 henchies on the other team have I finished the mission.
Only when it was 8 henchies on the other team have I finished the mission.
TheArrow
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Originally Posted by Reks
The only real problem is the henches' reactions to the players on the other team. If ANet would fix this, then there would be absolutely NO problems.
The only problem with henchmen is that they will always try to go for the largest group of real players. This means that if you are trying to solo hench the local side and the other group is full human your hench will try to run off towards them leaving Master Togo to die unless you're a monk.
moko
im sick of vizunah square as well. ive done it about 14 times, and still havnt got master. theres always some crap that makes you fail, in my eyes, the chance that something happens with 16 is way too big. i dont have the luck to get a whole hench group, i mostly get one real player who is level 14, moans all the time about the hench not keeping him alive, and not realising that the spirit henchman can actually heal and protect, so he didnt pick her to begin with.
i was only close to mastering it once, but unforunately 3 players went afk for a few mins and the others waited for them, so i missed master by 54 seconds. doh ><
before entering, there should be an option where you can select if you want a FULL hench team from the other side, or a human one with at least 5 or 6 or w/e human players. this would make it so much easier :/ (same should count for unwaking waters, but that isnt as annoying as vizunah)
i was only close to mastering it once, but unforunately 3 players went afk for a few mins and the others waited for them, so i missed master by 54 seconds. doh ><
before entering, there should be an option where you can select if you want a FULL hench team from the other side, or a human one with at least 5 or 6 or w/e human players. this would make it so much easier :/ (same should count for unwaking waters, but that isnt as annoying as vizunah)
h4mx0r
I did it with henchies and the other guy did it with henchies... we won...
MMSDome
Vizunah is a large noob fest, you will rarely find a good group there. The mission itself isnt hard, itas the people you are with that suck. Get a guild group going
-Old 3FL-
Hench > Pugs
Did it with hench on 2nd try.
1st try was a pug.
Hench beats Pugs.
Did it with hench on 2nd try.
1st try was a pug.
Hench beats Pugs.
Chinson Windancer
any tips for W/X to get master reward with 15 hench ? I tried many times and just can't shorten the finish time
Yamin
I just got my Lvl 14 Mesmer the masters reward on this mission with a hench team. The other team had 4 hench also. 
MaglorD
What an irony. When I was redoing Vizunah to get masters, it was the Tyrian team that sucked. They couldn't keep Mhenlo alive and caused everyone to die even before reaching the square, where the Canthan team is defending Togo. It's always the other team isn't it? LOL.
Bugeater
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Originally Posted by Chinson Windancer
any tips for W/X to get master reward with 15 hench ? I tried many times and just can't shorten the finish time
You really need to go ape sh*t on the Ritualists. In the last spawing point (not the last battle over the bridge) there's multiple Ritualists that spawn together. They're really good at irritatingly keeping the other enemies alive (and Flesh of My Flesh-ing them if you don't catch it). Also you can get really bunched up in a couple of places so KD/AS works quite well.
Of course one good MM can make your trip to master reward a stroll.
Of course one good MM can make your trip to master reward a stroll.
Cherng Butter
fetch a minion master...the sheer amount of corpses guarentees 10 minions at all times (keep summoning to renew ur old ones). I played with a canthan group as a N/Me minion master, and the tyrians were a henchie group. We tore thru that mission and got expert award (1st and only try)
silentblade
ummmmmmmmmm ru ppl for real o.0 im an assassin and i had 15 henchies and finished the mis on the first time w/ masters reward.................it really isnt that hard.....and ppl tend to say sins suck........
Avarre
BRING EOE!
EoE + monks with heal party or whatever = instant fun. So many afflicted
Otherwise, just go full hench team, and don't overextend with them.
EoE + monks with heal party or whatever = instant fun. So many afflicted
Otherwise, just go full hench team, and don't overextend with them.
Kali Magdalene
Just be careful about when and where EoE gets used. There are places where NPC humans get slaughtered, which triggers EoE and kills all the players and henchmen.
wilq
Also if too many afflicted die at the same time they might as well kill you too due to their soul explosion, while 1 is not a problem, couple of them might be.
Avarre
If you have that many afflicted adjacent to you, then you have a problem anyways
Did master a few days ago... N/R with EoE, Me/N fc well spam and dom, monks, war, 3 hench. Only 1 death on the tyrian team, because I thought I could tank the Shiroken ele at the end.
After the battle starts, set eoe in a corner, then quickly target afflicted and kill as many soft targets as possible. Use hp and wells to keep your own life up from soul explosions.
Did master a few days ago... N/R with EoE, Me/N fc well spam and dom, monks, war, 3 hench. Only 1 death on the tyrian team, because I thought I could tank the Shiroken ele at the end.
After the battle starts, set eoe in a corner, then quickly target afflicted and kill as many soft targets as possible. Use hp and wells to keep your own life up from soul explosions.
CorstedPirate
I got masters reward with 7 humans, all of which were on the tyrian side. When we saw that the other side was full henchies the other monk and one warrior ran ahead to help the henchies. We got it with 21 seconds to spare, lol, and on my Canthan warrior I missed master by 21 seconds(oddly I did it in the foreign quarter rather than local.) I'll have to go back and do the local side, just for fun. I had to do that mission so many times with my tryian monk, just to get master. The mission isn't hard enough that you should fail it even once, imo.
penguo
You can do the local side if you are a healing monk or some type of ritualist, otherwise the assasins or warriors who bring henches die in 3 minutes flat
It is really hard to believe these guys saying they did it other than monks or rits considering the results i have seen in-game, not some claim
It is really hard to believe these guys saying they did it other than monks or rits considering the results i have seen in-game, not some claim
ayanaftw
dont blame the hench blame the guy that picked the hench :P
i did it with all hench once and got masters, so its not tat bad.
i did it with all hench once and got masters, so its not tat bad.
Yanman.be
Like Avarre already said.. EoE is so much fun..watch out when the canthan peasants die though, they're human as well ( bring heal party )...like a knife through butter!
Skuld
I did it with oath EoE and fertile season on my ranger, just aswell as we had one human Mo/W spamming breeze, HP and HO.. self heals were well used
Big_Iron
Don't bring EOE if you have a minon master though. It'll rip though the minions.