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Problems with High End/Sell Forums
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I'm for the price check titles too, I'd be glad to help in any way I can also.
As for the auction only thing I'm not really down with it right now as there are stilll alot of quirks about it. My bro has won two items recently and the sellers sold the items to someone else, then left negative feedback when he left negative about them, even though they deserved it. Of course also fake bidders, and all kinds of other problems I've had.
As for the auction only thing I'm not really down with it right now as there are stilll alot of quirks about it. My bro has won two items recently and the sellers sold the items to someone else, then left negative feedback when he left negative about them, even though they deserved it. Of course also fake bidders, and all kinds of other problems I've had.
just 2 days ago i broke a rule lol i bumped earlly but i only did it because there was 1 hour left in the sale. I would have closed the post as soon as it was up. Imediatlly after bumping my post it was closed. Was this some sort of dumb luck that i just happend to catch a admin reading that spefic area and seeing it was an earlly bump? Maybe or maybe my post was reported? All i know is i do beleive the admins are trying there best at fixing the problem. I have not deliberatlly tried to break the rules in a disrespectfull manner. I have also gave admins a bad time about it because it just seems like dumb luck to me. All i know is i can see the admins doing there work maybe other post s and other people do not see it.
I would agree on the fact that i do see alot of people not bidding on a post though. I mean sometimes i have seen some crazy prices for thing like 100k and 50 ecto for a req 11 oni daggers 15 in stance. Now this you just have to laugh at or explain to the OP that they might want to get a price check. The ones i am talking to are the ones were you have 3 or 4 people who have already posted bids and some random guy post s some junk. I think that a tally of this should be kept record and after so many you get banned for a period of time. Just a thought do not know if it could be done or not.
I would agree on the fact that i do see alot of people not bidding on a post though. I mean sometimes i have seen some crazy prices for thing like 100k and 50 ecto for a req 11 oni daggers 15 in stance. Now this you just have to laugh at or explain to the OP that they might want to get a price check. The ones i am talking to are the ones were you have 3 or 4 people who have already posted bids and some random guy post s some junk. I think that a tally of this should be kept record and after so many you get banned for a period of time. Just a thought do not know if it could be done or not.
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Originally Posted by demon dantes
just 2 days ago i broke a rule lol i bumped earlly but i only did it because there was 1 hour left in the sale. I would have closed the post as soon as it was up. Imediatlly after bumping my post it was closed. Was this some sort of dumb luck that i just happend to catch a admin reading that spefic area and seeing it was an earlly bump? Maybe or maybe my post was reported? All i know is i do beleive the admins are trying there best at fixing the problem. I have not deliberatlly tried to break the rules in a disrespectfull manner. I have also gave admins a bad time about it because it just seems like dumb luck to me. All i know is i can see the admins doing there work maybe other post s and other people do not see it.
I would agree on the fact that i do see alot of people not bidding on a post though. I mean sometimes i have seen some crazy prices for thing like 100k and 50 ecto for a req 11 oni daggers 15 in stance. Now this you just have to laugh at or explain to the OP that they might want to get a price check. The ones i am talking to are the ones were you have 3 or 4 people who have already posted bids and some random guy post s some junk. I think that a tally of this should be kept record and after so many you get banned for a period of time. Just a thought do not know if it could be done or not. Well I guess you can blame it on the bad luck if I was looking at your thread right then
Still, rules are rules and every violation that I see gets its reward don't worry. Of course it's not possible to check all the threads, we do our best and believe, it's a LOT of time we spend here.
About nonbids, you prob want to see what is happening lately to non-bidders, there's an explanatory sticky thread on Sell section added by a Mod today.
I would agree on the fact that i do see alot of people not bidding on a post though. I mean sometimes i have seen some crazy prices for thing like 100k and 50 ecto for a req 11 oni daggers 15 in stance. Now this you just have to laugh at or explain to the OP that they might want to get a price check. The ones i am talking to are the ones were you have 3 or 4 people who have already posted bids and some random guy post s some junk. I think that a tally of this should be kept record and after so many you get banned for a period of time. Just a thought do not know if it could be done or not. Well I guess you can blame it on the bad luck if I was looking at your thread right then
Still, rules are rules and every violation that I see gets its reward don't worry. Of course it's not possible to check all the threads, we do our best and believe, it's a LOT of time we spend here.
About nonbids, you prob want to see what is happening lately to non-bidders, there's an explanatory sticky thread on Sell section added by a Mod today.
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Originally Posted by Inde
The bigger question is how to get people to read the sell forum guidelines. To read the stickies at the top. Most violations are from people who have recently signed up, or sign up to post their item. That's why we encourage you to "Report Bad Post" to notify a moderator.
I know there are several fourms out there that have a way to make certain threads in a topic "must read" before posting. Perhaps somthing simmilar could be implimented at guru. It wouldn't stop people from simply opening the thread and then posting without reading, but it would be safe to assume more people would read it, and that would mean less moderating work.
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I like the idea of switching to using the auction system. The system is well organised and it is easy to find exactly what you want (well, skin atleast). The only problem I have with that is that the auction system is SLOW. It takes ages to load pages. If that problem could be fixed, then that auction system would be good to completely swich to.
reasons i hate auction system: -
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction...php/id=129088/
this item has no pic and is a very very rare sword. person has no trade history either and owner has made some suspicious bids. therefore most probably fake. the highest bid 16 million would involve well over 2000 ectos. the trade window cannot hold that.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction...php/id=124715/
this item i doubt is not even worth 2 million. the person withthe c/o is the owner of the 15>50 req 8 crystalline sword too...
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction...php/id=116931/
again not worth what person with no feedback has bid
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction...php/id=127050/
doubt this is worth that c/o is
conclusion from just the highest bids section on auctions i have found many suspicious auctions. maybe some are real bids but if so they are paying way way more than the items are even worth. if i ever decide to sell anything i own it will not ever be on auctions due to the large number of suspicious/fake bids.
low end and individual sales are okay on there. high end trades where little kids and noobs decide to put fake bids in are a waste of time. an example chaos theory had some perfect magmas shields and a 15 -5 dwarven he had to relist them many times on auctions each time getting large numbers of bids and massive sums of gold. all turned out to be fake so he sold on high end. the bids on high end were half in some cases what they were on auctions.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction...php/id=129088/
this item has no pic and is a very very rare sword. person has no trade history either and owner has made some suspicious bids. therefore most probably fake. the highest bid 16 million would involve well over 2000 ectos. the trade window cannot hold that.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction...php/id=124715/
this item i doubt is not even worth 2 million. the person withthe c/o is the owner of the 15>50 req 8 crystalline sword too...
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction...php/id=116931/
again not worth what person with no feedback has bid
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction...php/id=127050/
doubt this is worth that c/o is
conclusion from just the highest bids section on auctions i have found many suspicious auctions. maybe some are real bids but if so they are paying way way more than the items are even worth. if i ever decide to sell anything i own it will not ever be on auctions due to the large number of suspicious/fake bids.
low end and individual sales are okay on there. high end trades where little kids and noobs decide to put fake bids in are a waste of time. an example chaos theory had some perfect magmas shields and a 15 -5 dwarven he had to relist them many times on auctions each time getting large numbers of bids and massive sums of gold. all turned out to be fake so he sold on high end. the bids on high end were half in some cases what they were on auctions.
Agreed with The Herbalizer. An auction system does have its advantages, but also many pitfalls. The biggest one I think is the matter of trust and honesty. Without verifiable identities/securities put in place like EBay, it is easily abused, and its effectiveness depends largely on the honesty of people who use it.
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Great idea adding the titles to price check guru's, when I first came to these forums I was always unsure who to trust on price checks when viewing them. But after a while you got to know the good price checkers, now the titles will make it easier for all to know when a good price check has been done.
Also would like to add a big thank you for cracking down on non-conforming sales/bump postings. With the new ban rules, I would just add what the punishments are for 1st, 2nd, 3rd offenses etc... so the masses will know. It appears a 1st offense is a 24 hour ban as I wanted to PM a guy about an item but he got banned for bumping under 24 hours. After he served 24 hours of banning time he is now active again. Not sure if that is standard or not but I think letting people know how long the ban is would be a good thing.
Also would like to add a big thank you for cracking down on non-conforming sales/bump postings. With the new ban rules, I would just add what the punishments are for 1st, 2nd, 3rd offenses etc... so the masses will know. It appears a 1st offense is a 24 hour ban as I wanted to PM a guy about an item but he got banned for bumping under 24 hours. After he served 24 hours of banning time he is now active again. Not sure if that is standard or not but I think letting people know how long the ban is would be a good thing.
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I'd also like to hear what you think about the Price Checking Title. Today a person made over 10 incorrect price checks and was the only person to give his opinion about many items. Understandably everyone gets it wrong by a little some times, he was excessively inaccurate in giving his opinion. On one item alone he was Over 200k off of what the items lowest value could have been. I'd just like to say that some of the worst PCs I've seen have been given by price-checking "gurus." People with that title have the power to set market prices and determine people's gaming experiences. I don't see why the titles are used in the first place. It only opens the door for exploitation, mistakes, and lack of discussion/argument.
I think the title should be gotten rid of and that certain "gurus" should be forced to reimburse the helpless guru users who they've screwed over.
NOTE: I haven't been screwed over myself because I keep an eye on the kinds of things that I sell. I just see too many people selling too many good items for half (or a third) of the price they should. There are certain "gurus" whose PC's I automatically double (at least). I've had several conversations in-game with people who feel likewise. Some have been so angered by the disservice of "gurus" that they have attempted to ignore them...which, of course, Guru won't let them do.
I think it's irresponsible of the administrators to distribute power to those who are not equipped to use it productively.
At the same time, there are "gurus" who I consider extremely good and trustworthy. I think there should be some kind of review process through which "gurus" are evaluated. I'm not sure how it could work because the PCs that "gurus" give go such a long way towards determining prices in most people's minds. Most people are happy to get what a "guru" says they should get because they think it's the right price because that's what a "guru" said. If "gurus" can't be evaluated, then they should be gotten rid of. I prefer dialogue to domination.
I'd also like to hear what you think about the Price Checking Title. Today a person made over 10 incorrect price checks and was the only person to give his opinion about many items. Understandably everyone gets it wrong by a little some times, he was excessively inaccurate in giving his opinion. On one item alone he was Over 200k off of what the items lowest value could have been. I'd just like to say that some of the worst PCs I've seen have been given by price-checking "gurus." People with that title have the power to set market prices and determine people's gaming experiences. I don't see why the titles are used in the first place. It only opens the door for exploitation, mistakes, and lack of discussion/argument.
I think the title should be gotten rid of and that certain "gurus" should be forced to reimburse the helpless guru users who they've screwed over.
NOTE: I haven't been screwed over myself because I keep an eye on the kinds of things that I sell. I just see too many people selling too many good items for half (or a third) of the price they should. There are certain "gurus" whose PC's I automatically double (at least). I've had several conversations in-game with people who feel likewise. Some have been so angered by the disservice of "gurus" that they have attempted to ignore them...which, of course, Guru won't let them do.
I think it's irresponsible of the administrators to distribute power to those who are not equipped to use it productively.
At the same time, there are "gurus" who I consider extremely good and trustworthy. I think there should be some kind of review process through which "gurus" are evaluated. I'm not sure how it could work because the PCs that "gurus" give go such a long way towards determining prices in most people's minds. Most people are happy to get what a "guru" says they should get because they think it's the right price because that's what a "guru" said. If "gurus" can't be evaluated, then they should be gotten rid of. I prefer dialogue to domination.