Tahnnakai Temple and the Gender-Confused Heroes

Haggard

Haggard

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/Rt

Well, I emailed this to anet about 3-4 weeks ago, and despite being told how important my message was to them, and how they would read it as soon as they could. I got an automated response that, though it was from Diana made no reference to anything I'd said or was even reassuring me about the right kind of bug. I responded by updating my original report with even more faults I'd found, and subsequently received a message saying it had been closed because I had not replied. GG NCSoft server. Anywho, here are todays pictures..

Jaizhanju - the masculine lady warrior.


Karei - the highly iffeminate monk.


Mao's story is amazing.. so why is 'Kaolai' stood at his shrine? (whoever 'Kaolai' is)


Naku - again, wrong gender


Tenai - wtf?! wrong gender again?!

Many of you will probably not care or consider the lengths of my research rather sad. I however feel a bit injusticed because plainly, arenanet just don't listen.

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

I noticed these when I went through there, it could use fixing

Kinda odd that anet doesn't listen to such a glaring design problem though..

jimmy_logic

jimmy_logic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

R/

Their QA team should get a talking to... -_-

Blind Rage

Blind Rage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Zealand

Inyurface Gaming [IYF]

its arena-net's tribute to michael jackson

Esprit

Esprit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dvd Forums [DVDF]

E/

They came back as ghosts, which is very traumatizing, who would blame them if they had a small case of identity crisis?

Rathcail

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

Yeah I noticed those too. It's like at least half of them are screwed up somehow. Probably none of the testers bothered to read those texts, or the ones who made that map.

Bahumhat

Bahumhat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Somewhere

C A K E[YuM]

If you spent your days as a male/female. When you finally past away, would you change sex if you could?

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Haggard

Mao's story is amazing.. so why is 'Kaolai' stood at his shrine? (whoever 'Kaolai' is)
ArenaNet discriminates against Chinese Communists?

jackie

jackie

/retired

Join Date: Dec 2005

On the Beach

^_^ That mission sure has some hilarious details

Charqus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/

Are ya sure they sposed to be same people as in the statues

Silent Coyote

Silent Coyote

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

E/N

I emailed support about this as well when I first noticed it, kinda funny I guess that it managed to get past QA. Maybe you change gender when you die in Cantha?

Stabber

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Plane of Oblivion

Sigilum Sanguis [keep]

Me/W

When you die in Cantha, you are presented with an Arcane Girdle of Femininity/Masculinity. Some choose to wear them. Some don't. Such is life. After death.

Haggard

Haggard

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charqus
Are ya sure they sposed to be same people as in the statues
Yes, since the last shrine, for Vizu, clearly has a statue of Vizu and a ghsot of Vizu standing in front. Plus all but Mao/Kaolai have the same ghost name as the hero the stories are about.

draxynnic

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bahumhat
If you spent your days as a male/female. When you finally past away, would you change sex if you could?
Or just to see the puzzled looks on the faces of first-timers in the temple when they look at the inscription, then at the ghost, then the inscription, then the ghost, and so on. Really, when you're stuck in a temple with no-one to talk to but seven other ghosts and the occasional visit from the Emporer or his inner circle (in times of relative peace, anyway) you get the laughs you can...

More seriously, this was something I noticed as well...

Archon Calran

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

I think there's a part when your doing the mission where the speach boxes change to a completly different language or just some sort of jibberish...

TheMosesPHD

TheMosesPHD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Oregon

Mo Mo Patty Blinks [MoMo]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archon Calran
I think there's a part when your doing the mission where the speach boxes change to a completly different language or just some sort of jibberish...
Ya it's the Ritualist ghost that talks gibberish. It says something about it in his story I think but I don't remember the details. Something about him challenging Balthazaar to a contest.

But ya I took pics of all the statues and their descriptions too because often times the manuscript window says she when the statue is of a male, like the necromancer in that pic above. I don't even think it matches up with the ghost mix up. I think sometimes it says one gender in the manuscript and the statue and ghost are the same opposite gender, and sometimes it's both. I mean...how can they screw up that bad?..

I'd say A.Net needs to fix these statues as soon as possible if only just to cover up the quality assurance incompetence. They never take the time to fix things that can be done in like 10 minutes. Like these statue word errors and the classic "DELETE ME" text screw-up in the second isle mission that I reported the first day Factions came out and they still haven't fixed according to a recent thread.
"DELETE ME" is a filler that was supposed to be replaced with the script that adds in the name of whoever the group leader is. Seeing as how they've used that same particular line of code well over 500 times throughout the game why can't they take 1 minute and add it in to the text box in the mission?

kaheiyeh

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Australia

Reapers of Solace

Mo/A

The ritualist ghost gets replaced by Master Togo if you've finished the game. Visit the explorable area of Tahnnakai Temple if you want to have a look.

Mournblade

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

Even in Cantha, you have men playing female characters and women playing men.

Zui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/

Yeah... This should be fixed. If you read the text it's screwed up too.

auntie ying

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Hom Kingdom[HK]

Mo/W

I have noticed this before...
As I play the Chinese version of GW, I though it was the mistake of the translation team...
but when I saw the screen shot then I know I was wrong...

Loomy

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmy_logic
Their QA team should get a talking to... -_-
Someone sure needs a talking to. This mission isn't the only part of the game that is in shambles.

Aarroe of Gilgamesh

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Friedberg, Germany

We Came, We Saw, We Drank [Tea]

really tho, there is nothing congruent anywhere in the plot, so why expect it here? the writers for this chapter should all be fired.

Andi DeMorte

Andi DeMorte

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by draxynnic
Or just to see the puzzled looks on the faces of first-timers in the temple when they look at the inscription, then at the ghost, then the inscription, then the ghost, and so on.
LoL... And that is exactly what I did. I looked at script... looked at ghost... thought I read it wrong... no not wrong... maybe ghost is not really female... nope that is female... *scratches head looking very confused* maybe I'm crazy or perhaps something was messed in last update?

I thought this was a new phenomenon but ya'll are saying it's been there since day 1 though so... A-net produced a very shoddy game. Once again I will say that I am glad that I did not spend moola on the game but it was gifted to me... I do feel bad for the person who bought it for me though because a lot of thought went into it's purchase and it's all for naught. I would rather a quality game every 2 or even 3 years then one that is full of mistakes every year.

~Andi

Stabber

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Plane of Oblivion

Sigilum Sanguis [keep]

Me/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarroe of Gilgamesh
really tho, there is nothing congruent anywhere in the plot, so why expect it here? the writers for this chapter should all be fired.
Oh come on! The plot ain't so bad! I thought the death of [REDACTED] just before the end was very well foreshadowed and a perfect twist!

Aarroe of Gilgamesh

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Friedberg, Germany

We Came, We Saw, We Drank [Tea]

my guess is they liked the buzz that the unsolved mystery of gwen created, so they just made as many pieces of the puzzle not fit together as possible this time on purpose. the square peg will fit in the round hole if you hit it hard enough.

Divinus Stella

Divinus Stella

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Wales

Steel Phoenix

Well, Jaizhanju was obviously a man trapped in a womans body, due to the absence of hospitals in cantha the sexual reconfiguration couldn't go ahead.

Astraea Zopyros

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Save the Ascalonian Rabbit [STAR]

Mo/

Maybe Jaizhanju was out getting her hair done, so she sent her faithful servant. We can't all be on duty, all the time! :P

Cowboy Nastyman

Cowboy Nastyman

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Me/Mo

perhaps the soul binding process did this to the ghosts hehe

Vermilion Okeanos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

The title should have been "Tahnnakai Temple and the Gender-Confused Heroines"...!

j/k
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Too bad we don't get to see master togo turning into a young lady, that would have been funny.

Haggard

Haggard

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stabber
Oh come on! The plot ain't so bad! I thought the death of [REDACTED] just before the end was very well foreshadowed and a perfect twist!
rofl!

noblepaladin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005



Well, early in Prophecies, Glint used to give me the middle finger when I beat the game. Guess she is pissed that I killed her, dying makes people get pissed. They patched it though, I can't get her to give me the bird any more.

NevynZeddicus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Iowa

E/

When I first noticed this, I thought it was kind of funny. I never realized people took this kind of stuff so seriously. Is it some kind of joke? Poor communication among devs? Certainly fixing it is not at the top of my Anet Honey-Do list but unless its meant to be funny, it does show the superiority of Prophecies team over Factions team.

Basically everything said above, but I want to feel important.

Nevin

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

I love how it feels just like the crystal desert.. Not. They could've easily made ghosts of each of the hereos... Lazy bums.

Haggard

Haggard

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/Rt

Well it's not exactly important, just downright laughable that this mix up ever happened, and I'm just angry at how much they obviously cared for my report on it.

ducktape

ducktape

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevin
I love how it feels just like the crystal desert.. Not. They could've easily made ghosts of each of the hereos... Lazy bums.
That's true, they bothered making the statues unique, they could have made the ghosts resemble the statues if they cared. Instead they....don't even make sure they used the generic ghost of the proper gender? Shame on them.

I'm betting the whole deal with the ghost of Kaolai and the statue inscription listing his name as Mao is that they changed the hero's name and never bothered to update the inscription. Shame on them either way.

I'm kind of concerned that ANet's game quality is going down the toilet with their "2 new games per year!!" release schedule. Sure, there are 2 development teams, one for each chapter, and one year of development cycle before release, but there are many screwed up things in this chapter that probably wouldn't be there if they tested it more thoroughly as they did in the original game. Missions incompletable due to bugs, certain elite skills not available for weeks, god-awful Elite Mission access (let's only allow 0.01 percent of players to have access each day!) and dozens of bugged quests...the list goes on. Probably would have helped for them to have more than one beta/preview weekend.

Patience

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

United Australian Warriors

If you pay a visit to Nahpui Quarter you'll see something similar. Check the names of the four celestial beings in the cinematic where you first meet Suun, then check the names on the statues, then check the names of the celestial beings in the mission. You'll also notice Suun's character model changes between the intro and outro cinematics for Nahpui.

It honestly doesn't say much of the game's lore if the developers can't even remember the names of their characters.

Haggard

Haggard

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by ducktape
I'm betting the whole deal with the ghost of Kaolai and the statue inscription listing his name as Mao is that they changed the hero's name and never bothered to update the inscription. Shame on them either way.
That would make a lot of sense, since they probably realised they didn't want to refer to Chairman Mao at the last minute.

Roza

Roza

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Amsterdam

The War Masters

R/W

Quote:
really tho, there is nothing congruent anywhere in the plot, so why expect it here? the writers for this chapter should all be fired.
Don't get me wrong. I love factions. But yeah, the writing is kind of dodgy. Some of it is quite ok, but some of it makes very little sense. Most of all, it is highly inconsistent.

Just an example: who killed Shiro, the first time? At least 3 people seem to have been involved, with one person wounding him, 'eventually' leading to his death... But was he not killed pretty much straight after trying to assassinate the emperor? And where did he, as a former city-guard fighting street thugs and then a bodyguard, get the power from to turn a sea to jade and a forest to stone with just 1 death-cry? And this job he has after his death... if it is a job, does he not have a boss? Grenth, for example? And what exactly is he doing in the city, when it is 'under attack'?

I know this is a game for a global audience, with many players who would get bored by a more involved and original story like that of Planescape Torment, Half-Life etc. but there is really no reason for the story/writing to be so sketchy with so many small mistakes. Anet make a great game, but they really should hire some new people to help out their writers. Given the money that goes into making a game like this, you'd expect something top-notch.

Count to Potato

Count to Potato

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Imagination Land

I Swear She Was Eighteen [Gwen]

W/

Not even a hard update to make... new artwork thats all

Haggard

Haggard

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/Rt

Or ticking the other box on the gender tab.