My guild asploded -.o

I still have no regrets on that incident, i did it with my best judgement. I got highly chewed out by the way.

And judging by what eve said, i didn't destroy the guild out of malice, i loved the guild, it was lyra that crushed it.

ok first:
This isn't a thread about, "Attacking and defending" eachother.
Lyra posted something about Saru. she didn't have the entire story.
Saru didn't either.
I posted an entire story so some outsiders could gain perspective.
Sure, it's one sided, but thats what happened.
Apparently though, you don't get it.

I never once said anything about you.
I only said things about Lyra, which are true.
You never did anything other than ask, "Where's Lyra?"

If you want personal attacks and defending?
I can just say right now I had an air of you not giving a damn about any other members in the guild.
You were just, "Where's Lyra? Where's Jess?"
You would once in a blue moon ask how other people were, and care about the rest of the guild.

also :
If you say it's not Lyra's fault,
Why did she post up a "Constitution" including Officer promotions?
1 day after, she broke it.
I made a complaint.
I was flamebait for the day.

There's members in the guild that i of course feel much closer to than others.
and asking where they were was maybe the reason coz they werent online or so.
Well the whole defending me and lyra post is of course my side of the story (not the whole tho)


Well I can't say I remember that;
I am just telling my part of the whole dramatized story which the whole drama thing is ftl~

Really?
So you have to incessantly ask, during conversations where they are?
I remember clearly, times we'd be talking and you'd completely change the subject to ask where they are.
So don't give me a "Than others"
It was just those two.

Btw saru I didn't say you destroyed the guild~

Anyway, we've had our aside.
Now back on track
Eve : Reread the ENTIRE post.
Actually UNDERSTAND it this time. I didn't post any of that to flame anyone. It's just simple facts from the eyes of a Panda.
I don't want these people feeling remorse for half of a story.

Well I think it was Obvious why I had my very interest in Lyra at that time~
It's pretty normal to want to talk about the person you're in love with -.-

If that was bothering you why I asked where they were, you couldve told me. I don't recall you telling me that.

I have reread it many times, i just respond in how i understand "ur message/story"

Anyway I know you didn't post to flame anyone but I felt like posting my thought of it all.

You want to know why I never told you to just STFU?
Because I was being nice to you. The guild was again fading, and we needed all the members we could get.
I made enough sacrifices for that Guild. Now that I've left, I no longer have to feel a burden on my shoulders. I stayed in that guild, thick and thin trying to keep it going. But I finally gave up. I didn't want to have anymore sleepless nights worrying where the guild was headed.

As I've said :
Anyway, we've had our aside.
Now back on track
Eve : Reread the ENTIRE post.
Actually UNDERSTAND it this time. I didn't post any of that to flame anyone. It's just simple facts from the eyes of a Panda.
I don't want these people feeling remorse for half of a story.

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Now i'm going to bed. I have a test in... 8 hours.

A final note :
I've said what I wanted to say and then some.
You won't see me reposting in this thread anymore.

One thing; it's always nicer to be honest to someone and tell them to shut it if it's extreamly annoying, in a nice way of course.

another thing; I didn't say i wanted to go all personall and all about it, but you did mention me and lyra and my "defend post" is my opinion. I didnt say anyone destroyed anything, I just said what I knew.

oh, wow...

i didn't mean to get you worked up eve.

you were always the cool one. one of my favorites.

my apologies.

*offers a swedish diet coke* ...and some cookies

ish okay, i just wish this whole thing never happened x_x coz i liked the guild as it was from the beginning, but i guess nothing stays the same forever =/ oh well.

I miss many of you guys we made a great team once. <3

*takes the swedish diet coke and the cookies* ^.^ danke~

Happens to the best of us. Lol I remember my first guild....ahhhhh....SoE

oh the drama -.o

Seriously guys....Its fine, i feel that all that junk that happened, its just natural.

Things come and go. Nothing remains forever. Even the greatest works of man will be reduced to dust.

I love all you guys, even if you dont always agree with each other. -.o

You may find it weird that i can be really pissed at someone and still consider them my friend.

The guild became Luxon because the active players who were on wanted it/ or were indifferent.

We joined an alliance because of me. My personal decision that i thought would benefit all of us to join a large guild (ZoS) because I wanted us to have more people to play with.

Fiona wasnt making up any rules. She was just enforcing the things already in the constitution. Which I made and asked EVERYONE to read and approve/disapprove. The stuff involving the alliance, the ideas for faction farming were proposals, which she presented to the guild through the forum.

I chose Fiona as second in command because I trust her, shes one of my best friends, she can contact me DIRECTLY if anything happened, and I know her leadership skills from her previous positions.

I've approached the guild with both democracy and some favoritism, yes its true. -.- But i always felt like my judgements were open to anyone's disagreement.

edit: -.- sigh...im crying at work

edit: how many times have i edited this x.x

That wasn't the only reason you joined ZoS. But yet you could have asked and waited for an answer, we did have forums you know.

And you act like your the only one crying over the ordeal.

Yes it was the reason. I wanted more people to play with. The fact that ZoS was a very large guild was a mere bonus. We became allied because of a friend who I met through Natus.

I wanted an alliance. I wanted more people. Not that i was bored with the guild, or didn't to do things with you guys, but we very rarely had anyone wanting to do anything as a group. 1 or 2 people would party up maybe but for the most part, people did their own things and that was fine and dandy.

In the beginning I was very happy with the alliance. Very happy. The time when the entire luxon side was just alliance members (before they re-enabled ally chat in the team tab) from ZoS/SHIN/HRK/RB was awesome and insanely fun. And then we had guild scrimmages and we did Zos Shivros Channel. It was fun. -.- I guess me, soulja and fiona were the only ones having fun.

Yes, it was a mistake to just suddenly JOIN an alliance without asking anyone. It was my mistake. And I've admitted that. But as I've said before, and I've repeated several times; it didn't matter. It was a "bonus". -.- I never intended for our sole purpose to become faction farmers in an alliance. If the guild wanted out, then we would have been out. But I wanted to give it a chance and see how it developed.

It's a moot point and wasn't the true reason we had such a guild upheaval.

Maybe i had too many high expectations and my work kept me blind to those who were unhappy because i could only play 2-3 hours a day. Maybe its not that I trusted Fiona to take care of the guild, maybe I shouldn't have trusted the guild to take care of Fiona.

What I consider the true reason for this is that people didn't deal with their grievances properly, took things personally, and didn't behave like the adults.

Look at Panda. He acts the most immature out of all of us, but he's the only one of us who displayed some goddamn sense.

On the upside, this only shows how passionate the guild was and how much people actually do care and in the end, I still love you guys.

Yeah it does show how passionate you aren't about it. Don't feed us your lies.

*sits down with popcorn and candy* And they said 90210 was riveting prime time drama... *chuckles* It ain't got nothin' on Drama Wars.

Yes, it is quite some crazy drama. Can i dramatically get run over by a drunk driver or something? My contract is up!!

Just because I can "step out" of my emotions and speak with logic and try to be as impartial as possible doesn't mean im not passionate.

Whats done is done. Enough. Lets move on.