Reading reviews, Factions reads like the best thing since sliced bread. But every thread on it on this board is highly negative.
But obviously a lot of people are still playing their copies of it. So, why should I get it? What about it do you like?
I'm only a few weeks into owning Guild Wars, and I am a PvE only player. I keep feeling the pull to go buy Factions as well - and everyday I come in here and the place talks me out of it. Can anyone counter that? Is there anyone who likes it?
Why should I buy Factions given all the negative opinions of it here?
arcady
Dzan
BEcause these people would complain about anything. You could be giving out a free lapdance from jessica alba along with a $5000 visa giftcard and people would be bitching that Visa sucks and American Express is better.
Arkantos
Its up to you. If you want it, buy it. If you dont because of negative reviews, dont. I bought it, do I regret it? No. If you buy it will you regret it? Maybe. Do some people like it? No. Will you? Could be.
Dr Strangelove
People aren't going to be posting on a forum if they have no complaints and want nothing changed. Factions is awesome. Better than Prophecies IMO. Guild Wars is one of the best games I have played.
That being said, there are always ways to change for the better. This doesn't mean things aren't good now, but that they could always be better.
That being said, there are always ways to change for the better. This doesn't mean things aren't good now, but that they could always be better.
Don Zardeone
Yeah, people complain about everything.
For example, the elite missions.
First they complain that they can't enter them. Then when they CAN, they complain they can't enter them whenever they like.
Once they're inside, they complain about not finding people to do the mission with. Then they complain about how hard the mission is. Once they find that the Deep is much easier, they go there complain some more and then they complain that the Deep is too easy.
Then once they're done complaining about that, they're complaining about people like me complaining about them.
Once they have rushed themselves, skipping all content, going straight for the elite mission while not trying to find builds for it but instead copying other people builds which takes them 5 minutes to do, they complain about factions having zero content.
ANet tries to fix that by forcing these people to NOT skip content but then the people start complaining that they can't skip the content that apparently doesn't exist.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
For example, the elite missions.
First they complain that they can't enter them. Then when they CAN, they complain they can't enter them whenever they like.
Once they're inside, they complain about not finding people to do the mission with. Then they complain about how hard the mission is. Once they find that the Deep is much easier, they go there complain some more and then they complain that the Deep is too easy.
Then once they're done complaining about that, they're complaining about people like me complaining about them.
Once they have rushed themselves, skipping all content, going straight for the elite mission while not trying to find builds for it but instead copying other people builds which takes them 5 minutes to do, they complain about factions having zero content.
ANet tries to fix that by forcing these people to NOT skip content but then the people start complaining that they can't skip the content that apparently doesn't exist.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Demesis
It's because when people find the game good, they'll be too busy having fun with it to even post here.
Arkantos
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Yeah, people complain about everything.
For example, the elite missions. First they complain that they can't enter them. Then when they CAN, they complain they can't enter them whenever they like. Once they're inside, they complain about not finding people to do the mission with. Then they complain about how hard the mission is. Once they find that the Deep is much easier, they go there complain some more and then they complain that the Deep is too easy. Then once they're done complaining about that, they're complaining about people like me complaining about them. Once they have rushed themselves, skipping all content, going straight for the elite mission while not trying to find builds for it but instead copying other people builds which takes them 5 minutes to do, they complain about factions having zero content. ANet tries to fix that by forcing these people to NOT skip content but then the people start complaining that they can't skip the content that apparently doesn't exist. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
In short terms, people will complain about anything and everything
Thallandor
I tend to agree since i am a big complainer of factions that there are some valid points that needs addressing but often a negative approach attracts more attention and comments and hopefully with enough pages in a thread Anet may do something about it.
Its just how the forums work, dont worry about it. Be warned though, the Review mags/online site have in their best interest to promote the best side of any game, thats how they generate revenue. Take those with a pinch of salt as well.
Its just how the forums work, dont worry about it. Be warned though, the Review mags/online site have in their best interest to promote the best side of any game, thats how they generate revenue. Take those with a pinch of salt as well.
Swinging Fists
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Yeah, people complain about everything.
For example, the elite missions. First they complain that they can't enter them. Then when they CAN, they complain they can't enter them whenever they like. Once they're inside, they complain about not finding people to do the mission with. Then they complain about how hard the mission is. Once they find that the Deep is much easier, they go there complain some more and then they complain that the Deep is too easy. Then once they're done complaining about that, they're complaining about people like me complaining about them. Once they have rushed themselves, skipping all content, going straight for the elite mission while not trying to find builds for it but instead copying other people builds which takes them 5 minutes to do, they complain about factions having zero content. ANet tries to fix that by forcing these people to NOT skip content but then the people start complaining that they can't skip the content that apparently doesn't exist. |
Buy Factions... You know you want to.
Don Zardeone
Game mag reviewers sometimes know what they're talking about. They know their stuff.
However, they can't say whatever they want. So basically all they say went through the moneypress.
Then there's the forums, where nobody knows what the hell they're talking about....
=D
However, they can't say whatever they want. So basically all they say went through the moneypress.
Then there's the forums, where nobody knows what the hell they're talking about....
=D
EternalTempest
Postive Things about factions from a PVE perspective
Lots of new skills
Two new professions
New armor types
Accelerated Level 20 advancement quicker (more high end level 20 content)
13 new missions
Lots of new quests
Three new types of pve missions
"Challenge" Time missions (2 or 3 of them)
2-Competive PvE Missions
2-Co-Operative Pve Missions
Far greater xp / money rewards for quests mission
Get to choose what skill you get to buy vs had feeding you certain "paths" via quests in the 1st GW
Very easy to ability to change which "side" you belong to Lux/Kuz
Even though I do think there flaws with factions, I do enjoy factions and happy with my purchase.
Advice - Assasins have a hard time find groups (too many of them + War/Mo trying to use them a "tanks" which doesn't work giving them a bad rap).
Lots of new skills
Two new professions
New armor types
Accelerated Level 20 advancement quicker (more high end level 20 content)
13 new missions
Lots of new quests
Three new types of pve missions
"Challenge" Time missions (2 or 3 of them)
2-Competive PvE Missions
2-Co-Operative Pve Missions
Far greater xp / money rewards for quests mission
Get to choose what skill you get to buy vs had feeding you certain "paths" via quests in the 1st GW
Very easy to ability to change which "side" you belong to Lux/Kuz
Even though I do think there flaws with factions, I do enjoy factions and happy with my purchase.
Advice - Assasins have a hard time find groups (too many of them + War/Mo trying to use them a "tanks" which doesn't work giving them a bad rap).
Rieselle
I think it depends on what sort of player you are and what you are looking for.
If you are a pvp player, or an experienced rpg gamer, I'd say buy Factions and play that first - you level up to 20 (where the "real game" tm begins) much more quickly, and you have many more choices in skills early on. The monster combat is also more interesting and diverse in GW:F.
Then take your character back to GW1 and do what you want there. Also if you prefer to play with other people, GW:F is currently much more lively than GW1 for obvious reasons.
If you are a pve-oriented, inexperienced player, then GW1 will lead you into things much more gradually and gently, and you can play at a more relaxed pace. Buy GW:F later when you want something new.
If you are a pvp player, or an experienced rpg gamer, I'd say buy Factions and play that first - you level up to 20 (where the "real game" tm begins) much more quickly, and you have many more choices in skills early on. The monster combat is also more interesting and diverse in GW:F.
Then take your character back to GW1 and do what you want there. Also if you prefer to play with other people, GW:F is currently much more lively than GW1 for obvious reasons.
If you are a pve-oriented, inexperienced player, then GW1 will lead you into things much more gradually and gently, and you can play at a more relaxed pace. Buy GW:F later when you want something new.
anonymous
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It's because when people find the game good, they'll be too busy having fun with it to even post here.
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Arkantos
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QFT for every 1 person that posts something negative, there are about 10 silent ones enjoying the game.
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lg5000
Those who like it don't complain here.. or post here.. cause they're too busy playing. Or at least, that's how it was in the first 3 weeks of the game.
The fact that your characters get more variety in armor (and looks of armor) should count towards the decision of buying factions. Or am I really that shallow?
Nothing beats getting lost in Keineng city due to the somewhat chaotic layout of the map.
And both the Kurzic side and Luxton side look awsome and the Luxton quests are hillarious.
Then there is the fact that in factions, bosses work differently than in prophecies, adds more interest to it.
Btw, how far are you into prophecies? If you're past droknars and are enjoying that part of the game, then get factions. If you're not there yet.. you could wait a bit longer unless you'd like the opportunity to create an assassin or ritualist, or just want a different look for the main profession characters.
Faction's version of pre-searing is not pre-searing and is available to lvl20 characters as well.
I enjoy factions, however, I can't play atm
hence, I ramble here.
The fact that your characters get more variety in armor (and looks of armor) should count towards the decision of buying factions. Or am I really that shallow?
Nothing beats getting lost in Keineng city due to the somewhat chaotic layout of the map.
And both the Kurzic side and Luxton side look awsome and the Luxton quests are hillarious.
Then there is the fact that in factions, bosses work differently than in prophecies, adds more interest to it.
Btw, how far are you into prophecies? If you're past droknars and are enjoying that part of the game, then get factions. If you're not there yet.. you could wait a bit longer unless you'd like the opportunity to create an assassin or ritualist, or just want a different look for the main profession characters.
Faction's version of pre-searing is not pre-searing and is available to lvl20 characters as well.
I enjoy factions, however, I can't play atm
hence, I ramble here.
Jas D
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BEcause these people would complain about anything. You could be giving out a free lapdance from jessica alba along with a $5000 visa giftcard and people would be bitching that Visa sucks and American Express is better.
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Factions is repetitive. Too many fanboi's on here take things seriously and can't realize a good game when they see it. Prophecies is better..
Factions is good for making money and getting skills, I guess. Not many good skills IMO. It depends on what you like I suppose.
I'm not saying Factions is a "bad" game.. it's just.. boring after you beat it a few times. And it's fustrating. I'm not a fan of bosses who do 2x damage than normal.
Griff Mon
The fact that people are complaining and praising loud and hard about this tells you that there is a lot of passion about this game.
That should tell you a lot. People are not passionately discussing things unless they care about it a lot. So, even if they are unhappy, they do care about this game.
That should tell you a lot. People are not passionately discussing things unless they care about it a lot. So, even if they are unhappy, they do care about this game.
Jas D
Speaking of negative.. does anyone else think that it's pathetic that the "The Biggest Jerk You Ever Encountered in GW (no posting names)" thread has as many posts and views as it does. >_>
Anyway.. I suggest you probably SHOULD buy it. New content is always nice.. not much else to say.
Anyway.. I suggest you probably SHOULD buy it. New content is always nice.. not much else to say.
Opeth11
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QFT for every 1 person that posts something negative, there are about 10 silent ones enjoying the game.
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Seems reasonably correct.
Forbes
Ok. My first post about Factions after having actually gotten a character through the final mission. I like it, but more in the sense because it is something new, not because it is better than Prophecies. I'm PvE oriented so that is mostly my take on it. The style is different, the look is different, and the way you play certain things is also. I also am not overly impressed with the "amount" of new skills for the older classes. Though the new classes are very nice and I am currently having a blast with the ritualist.
My take, it is good but I liked Prophecies better, maybe because it was first, I was newer to the game, therefore it was more of a wow factor. Factions does have some great art work (I spent the first week running around admiring the sites).
My take, it is good but I liked Prophecies better, maybe because it was first, I was newer to the game, therefore it was more of a wow factor. Factions does have some great art work (I spent the first week running around admiring the sites).
Arkantos
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My take, it is good but I liked Prophecies better, maybe because it was first, I was newer to the game, therefore it was more of a wow factor. Factions does have some great art work (I spent the first week running around admiring the sites). |
lagrand1
It was the same when I started. I got the game, played it, loved it, and found the Forums. That was when I found out I was supposed to hate it. All these experienced players hate it, so I must too. If the search function works when you are on, go to the complainers old posts, and see what they had to say about Prophesies. Make up your own mind.
Personally, I love Factions. I like it better. The PvE is harder, and you need to put thought into where you are going, and not simply use the same hench every time you go out.
I love the titles. Gives you something to shoot for, or show off. Too bad lag kills all the survivors (one thing I'm angry about, give me back my 0 deaths!)
Personally, I wouldn't be able to think about Visa Express, or American Lap if Ms. Alba were busy...
But some people REALLY like to complain. I'm glad I bought Factions, and other than to go back and get some skills, I never play in Tyria.
Personally, I love Factions. I like it better. The PvE is harder, and you need to put thought into where you are going, and not simply use the same hench every time you go out.
I love the titles. Gives you something to shoot for, or show off. Too bad lag kills all the survivors (one thing I'm angry about, give me back my 0 deaths!)
Personally, I wouldn't be able to think about Visa Express, or American Lap if Ms. Alba were busy...
But some people REALLY like to complain. I'm glad I bought Factions, and other than to go back and get some skills, I never play in Tyria.
Crotalus
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Reading reviews, Factions reads like the best thing since sliced bread. But every thread on it on this board is highly negative.
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By the way, most of Guild Wars' fan forums are positive. Including this one.
Maria The Princess
what do you like better? PvP or PvE?
prophcies = PvE content and friendly
factions = best PvP game ever done
prophecies = farming, exploring, runing, just woundering around doin nothing special
factions = alot of PvP, more intense PvE, but shorter
prophcies = PvE content and friendly
factions = best PvP game ever done
prophecies = farming, exploring, runing, just woundering around doin nothing special
factions = alot of PvP, more intense PvE, but shorter
robrobrob
The problems with Guild Wars are not chapter specific. Things I complain about are systems that are Guild Wars-wide, from Prophecies to Factions to Chapter7 (god help us. we might have improved trading and storage by then. maybe, but probably not.)
Ignoring the problems that aren't chapter specific, I would recommend Factions. I enjoy it much more than Prophecies.
Ignoring the problems that aren't chapter specific, I would recommend Factions. I enjoy it much more than Prophecies.
zamial
factions is level 2 as prophicies is like level 1.the missions are harder,the enemys harder.in prophiceis i can be level 4 or less in droks that isnt possible in factions.oh and the areas seem more complex.(i only pve and REALLY enjoy factions alot.) if you play the game like its meant to(and dont try and bull rush yer way throgh it)it is plenty long,espesially with 6 char slots to beat the game with,and lets not forget about the titles to earn.....skills to learn/cap.new armor/weapons.and on and on.the people who complain are the same people who run through it in 2 weeks or less,and are the same ones who if they could beat the game by pushing the "1"key on there key board would do it, then claim that its to short.oh and probably buy their gold on ebay(tho they wont admit it).so actually getting a neat drop is foreign to them as they just buy what ever they want.well i have gone on long enough so do whatever ya want but dont cry about being left behind/out.as for me ill be in factions hope to see ya there.
Bahumhat
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Yeah, people complain about everything.
For example, the elite missions. First they complain that they can't enter them. Then when they CAN, they complain they can't enter them whenever they like. Once they're inside, they complain about not finding people to do the mission with. Then they complain about how hard the mission is. Once they find that the Deep is much easier, they go there complain some more and then they complain that the Deep is too easy. Then once they're done complaining about that, they're complaining about people like me complaining about them. Once they have rushed themselves, skipping all content, going straight for the elite mission while not trying to find builds for it but instead copying other people builds which takes them 5 minutes to do, they complain about factions having zero content. ANet tries to fix that by forcing these people to NOT skip content but then the people start complaining that they can't skip the content that apparently doesn't exist. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
lol "Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
Maria The Princess
ANET are not gods..... cant make everybody happy
Gonzo
You get less content, but way more challenging content as a PvE player. You're leveled up to 20 in a matter of hours as appossed to days and really, doesn't the fun start once you hit the level 20 content? You can start capping, doing missions that are fun right after the tutorial area (pre). You can't run trough the game, but why would you want to if you basicly start out in the area where you would normally be run (and at a appropriate level too).
-Loki-
Because forums only really give you the bad views of a game. People who like the game don't want to go on a forum and say they love it - they want to play it. People that don't like it, or have issues with it, make themselves heard.
pappayaponta
This is in general what it is: Alot of new skills, alliances and towncontrol, war betwwen Luxon and kurzick, new explorable are and missions and new profession.
I must say i LOVE (!) Factions, almost more then the original.
I must say i LOVE (!) Factions, almost more then the original.
floppinghog
The fact of the matter is, we want the game to be at its best, and why the hell not? we all like guildwars.. cause we play it .. everyday no?
Its not a bad game, its just got some issues that need to be sorted out for different reasons. It wouldn't effect you if you didn't know what was minorly wrong with something. example: cutscene bugging etc...
lol at above me, L2 is horrible sorry guy, that shit is like watching paint dry...seriously LOL... i feel bad for the poor souls that play that game.
Its not a bad game, its just got some issues that need to be sorted out for different reasons. It wouldn't effect you if you didn't know what was minorly wrong with something. example: cutscene bugging etc...
lol at above me, L2 is horrible sorry guy, that shit is like watching paint dry...seriously LOL... i feel bad for the poor souls that play that game.
Brutaniu Mason
Why? Because I play it.
Slainster
I agree with the general consensus, although there are a few thigs in factions that 'grind' me the wrong way 
i am still glad I bought it. Im only about half way throug, been taking my time, + the fact I still have a bit I want to do in Tyria, but generally I can say it is good, the map is alot smaller, just running around a little last night made realise how huge the origianl GW is. I would suggesst completing the prophecies campaign, try out the all the different things there are to do, and then come over to factions for max enjoyment.
arcady
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No offense but is this the first time you have been on a game oriented forum? Check some other non-Guild Wars ones and you will understand.
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I've been running lists anf forums and such nearly as long, and I wrote the first game based MUD that had stats and skills and non-combat spells, so I've been around this stuff for a while...
A lot of what people will post anywhere is overdone, but you can find patterns in it that are relevant - and I just haven't seen the 'positive patterns' for Factions all that much. I am new to GW though, and have been hoping I just missed it. I started this thread to see if a counter opinion to all of the negative posts was out there within this community or not.
Kalki
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Yeah, people complain about everything.
For example, the elite missions. First they complain that they can't enter them. Then when they CAN, they complain they can't enter them whenever they like. Once they're inside, they complain about not finding people to do the mission with. Then they complain about how hard the mission is. Once they find that the Deep is much easier, they go there complain some more and then they complain that the Deep is too easy. Then once they're done complaining about that, they're complaining about people like me complaining about them. Once they have rushed themselves, skipping all content, going straight for the elite mission while not trying to find builds for it but instead copying other people builds which takes them 5 minutes to do, they complain about factions having zero content. ANet tries to fix that by forcing these people to NOT skip content but then the people start complaining that they can't skip the content that apparently doesn't exist. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
Back to the topic... yes... buy Factions. It's a great stand-alone expansion to a great game, and yes I called it an expansion even though it's 50$. That extra 10$ above typical expansion costs I think are well worth not having to pay monthly fees... ever.
Numa Pompilius
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But obviously a lot of people are still playing their copies of it. So, why should I get it? What about it do you like?
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If you haven't finished Prophecies yet, do so first. Factions isn't at all bad, it's just not as outstanding as Prophecies, at least not the PvE. Once you've finished of Prophecies, then it's time to buy Factions.
bele
All this is PvE
I've posted a few quite negative posts about factions. The good side:
1.- More challenging. The game is slightly harder than Prophecies. Especially when they begin to spike your squishes while 2 W/Hammers are pounding them (love it). You begin to rethink again your skillset (esp my monk trying to keep at live Tank-Assasins lol).
2.- Fast leveling . 50/50. Prophecies is a slowpaced leveling till lvl 20. In a few hours/days you can have a full lvl20 char, with top equipment (armor, runes,....)
3.- More lvl20 areas. All of the game is lvl20 but the island. In proph. you had 3 areas (desert, shouth shiverpeaks,Fire island).
4.- New hench conbinations. The hench are better (this can be good and bad )
5.-New skills/items/armors. My mesmer is really happy about the new skills and his posibilities, and really , really, love her new Canthan 15K "armor"
6.- 2 new Elite missions . Always good instead of the usual FoW/UW/SF
7.- Different missions. In Prophecies almost all misions are the same. Go there slack some mobs and go or resist in one point. The first misison in mainland (Vizunah) is a blast, love all the chaos, ppl falling , mobs comming from everywhere ..... Anet seeks fresh forms of doing missions and there is variation in the missions you'll find out there.
8.- 2 new Classes. Each one is it's own kind and very different from the rest you've seen.
Anet has issued some of the complaints of Prophecies. Not going to be negative here. I'd buy definitely Factions if you liked Proph. Maybe you love it or hate it, but you'll not get a real view until you play it.
I've posted a few quite negative posts about factions. The good side:
1.- More challenging. The game is slightly harder than Prophecies. Especially when they begin to spike your squishes while 2 W/Hammers are pounding them (love it). You begin to rethink again your skillset (esp my monk trying to keep at live Tank-Assasins lol).
2.- Fast leveling . 50/50. Prophecies is a slowpaced leveling till lvl 20. In a few hours/days you can have a full lvl20 char, with top equipment (armor, runes,....)
3.- More lvl20 areas. All of the game is lvl20 but the island. In proph. you had 3 areas (desert, shouth shiverpeaks,Fire island).
4.- New hench conbinations. The hench are better (this can be good and bad )
5.-New skills/items/armors. My mesmer is really happy about the new skills and his posibilities, and really , really, love her new Canthan 15K "armor"
6.- 2 new Elite missions . Always good instead of the usual FoW/UW/SF
7.- Different missions. In Prophecies almost all misions are the same. Go there slack some mobs and go or resist in one point. The first misison in mainland (Vizunah) is a blast, love all the chaos, ppl falling , mobs comming from everywhere ..... Anet seeks fresh forms of doing missions and there is variation in the missions you'll find out there.
8.- 2 new Classes. Each one is it's own kind and very different from the rest you've seen.
Anet has issued some of the complaints of Prophecies. Not going to be negative here. I'd buy definitely Factions if you liked Proph. Maybe you love it or hate it, but you'll not get a real view until you play it.
William Stark
My 2p (being English I get to spend pennies rather than cents):
I've had Factions since the pre-order and still haven't completed the PvE storyline, for a combination of two reasons:
1) The new titles have given me so much to do back in Tyria that I just haven't made the time.
2) Within about 20 mins of the 'head start' event I was fed up with groups wanting to rush through the new content. That is literally 20 minutes, not figurative; the first PUG I was scattered as soon as they got outside and very quickly I got a message that a quest was completed (Drunken Master) when I hadn't even made contact with the relevant NPC.
Ever since then I have been much pickier about people I team up with and gone through at my own speed. I still haven't seen the Luxon capital, but have yet to be bored either. I guess my conclusion is that from what you've written so far, you'll probably enjoy it. Just be prepared to play it your way.
I've had Factions since the pre-order and still haven't completed the PvE storyline, for a combination of two reasons:
1) The new titles have given me so much to do back in Tyria that I just haven't made the time.
2) Within about 20 mins of the 'head start' event I was fed up with groups wanting to rush through the new content. That is literally 20 minutes, not figurative; the first PUG I was scattered as soon as they got outside and very quickly I got a message that a quest was completed (Drunken Master) when I hadn't even made contact with the relevant NPC.
Ever since then I have been much pickier about people I team up with and gone through at my own speed. I still haven't seen the Luxon capital, but have yet to be bored either. I guess my conclusion is that from what you've written so far, you'll probably enjoy it. Just be prepared to play it your way.
led-zep
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QFT for every 1 person that posts something negative, there are about 10 silent ones enjoying the game.
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