Not that im saying i will buy it, i just see it so much when im looking at other Guild Wars websites.
Is buying gold illegal?
Ultra Peepi
I mean like, can you get your account banned if you buy lke 1 million gold on some website like ebay or something? Not that im saying i will buy it, i just see it so much when im looking at other Guild Wars websites.
Not that im saying i will buy it, i just see it so much when im looking at other Guild Wars websites.
Opeth11
Well, it is against the EULA that you agreed to when you first installed the game, so I'm going to have to say 'yes'. You can get banned.
Whether or not Anet catches you in the act of such a purchase or not, it's still 'illegal'.
Whether or not Anet catches you in the act of such a purchase or not, it's still 'illegal'.
Arkantos
Its against the EULA and its you can get banned for doing it.
Ultra Peepi
ok, thanks for the answers
Pompeyfan
Yes you can get banned, but no it's not 'Illegal' just against the EULA which is totally different.
golem bigstick
meaning they cant take any kind of legal action
Parson Brown
It's not "against the law" illegal, but it is forbidden by A-Net and you can get banned.
Agreeing to the EULA means you agree to play by their rules, but they can't sue you or have you arrested for breaking it.
Agreeing to the EULA means you agree to play by their rules, but they can't sue you or have you arrested for breaking it.
queenakasha
Yes it is illegal to buy gold directly, but I have seen these people word what they sell differently.
For example many of these websites you see you will notice they clearly say something along the lines of: "You are not paying for the actual gold itself, you are paying for the time I've spent in order to make the gold."
This is simialr to what escort or companion services say: "You are not paying for sex, you are paying for the time spent with me, and anything that happens is consentual." Legally they can get away with saying that, but if they are promoting something like "****jobs for 50 bux!" then yes that's illegal.
Same thing with the gold in GW, if there's a website out there saying blatantly "Buy 100k GW gold for only $5.99!" then probably the both of you will get in trouble.
I myself wouldn't pay for gold I much rather play HoH and win and then sell sigils its more fun ;]
For example many of these websites you see you will notice they clearly say something along the lines of: "You are not paying for the actual gold itself, you are paying for the time I've spent in order to make the gold."
This is simialr to what escort or companion services say: "You are not paying for sex, you are paying for the time spent with me, and anything that happens is consentual." Legally they can get away with saying that, but if they are promoting something like "****jobs for 50 bux!" then yes that's illegal.
Same thing with the gold in GW, if there's a website out there saying blatantly "Buy 100k GW gold for only $5.99!" then probably the both of you will get in trouble.
I myself wouldn't pay for gold I much rather play HoH and win and then sell sigils its more fun ;]
Hockster
The FBI and Interpol will kick down your doors and lock you up forever. 
golem bigstick
Don't forget ATF...
Desert Penguin
Most of the websites that sell gold say: "We are not selling the gold itself, you are paying for the time that we spent collecting the gold, you are not playing for the gold itself". If you pay for gold, its illegal, but if you pay for the person's time, well *you* can say its not illegal, but then again I don't think ANet will think positively of you. You can still be banned probably.
Just don't give into those lame statements.
EDIT: queenakasha already stated this. My apologies for not reading everything before posting.
Just don't give into those lame statements.
EDIT: queenakasha already stated this. My apologies for not reading everything before posting.
Stupid Shizno
im sure enough people have bought their money, and since we see no complaints on forums for getting banned all of a sudden, i think its a good judgement call that this is not on the top 5 priority list for anet...though it can change
Don Zardeone
I would watch out with saying that.
People have complained for being wrongfully banned. But those who got banned for buying gold won't go around and advertise it.
Ebayers are hated like pedofiles
People have complained for being wrongfully banned. But those who got banned for buying gold won't go around and advertise it.
Ebayers are hated like pedofiles
Seissor
I swear the money just landed in my account due to a technical bug >_> <_<
j/k I dont ebay, no CC anyways. And ebay cash makes the economy and jesus cry.
j/k I dont ebay, no CC anyways. And ebay cash makes the economy and jesus cry.
monkey grip
you think they would turn a blind eye because it is getting the money back into the game which in an bass ackwards way helps the economy?
AlbinoChocobo
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you think they would turn a blind eye because it is getting the money back into the game which in an bass ackwards way helps the economy?
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monkey grip
i see your point, but there is two sides to every coin, it just depends how much time and hassle it is for them to deal with it, i;m not saying it shouldn't be looked at, just thinking outside thebubble
Rainman
add me and take me on a trip queen shaka my name is Spiteful Demon
thanks for yer time
Peace Out
thanks for yer time
Peace Out
Rainman
o and i farm sometimes in uw and stuff is that against the rules or somthin?? i dont usualy farm i just like to go around and earn some extra money to buy some armour (1.5k not 15k)
ChaoticCoyote
I've never bought gold, but I don't see why it's any more harmful to the game than people spending 10 ectos for a Kuunvang miniature. I find the constant hawking of goods in Lion's Arch/Kaineng/Droks to be far more annoying than someone trading real world money for gold.
Josh
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Most of the websites that sell gold say: "We are not selling the gold itself, you are paying for the time that we spent collecting the gold, you are not playing for the gold itself". If you pay for gold, its illegal, but if you pay for the person's time, well *you* can say its not illegal, but then again I don't think ANet will think positively of you. You can still be banned probably.
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You are actually buying the item (gold). They can't say there buying the time it took to get the gold, you can't BUY time, you can't give time, you are generally buying/selling gold, which is against the EULA, it's not 'illegal' in a sense that the FBI, Police or Riot Police are gonna come to your house and kick your door down and arrest you. It's just against the EULA, which is agreeing that you play by ArenaNet's rules.
Although, to be honest, I do think you was considering buying it, if you wasn't, you wouldn't of made this topic.
Fyre Brand
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i see your point, but there is two sides to every coin, it just depends how much time and hassle it is for them to deal with it, i;m not saying it shouldn't be looked at, just thinking outside thebubble
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ChaoticCoyote
I just gave one of my daughters 200K gold so her character could buy ascended armors in Cantha.
How does ArenaNet know that I didn't sell her the gold, but that I gave her some from my stockpile?
Or is it a EULA/TOS violation for me to give someone else large quantities of gold?
How does ArenaNet know that I didn't sell her the gold, but that I gave her some from my stockpile?
Or is it a EULA/TOS violation for me to give someone else large quantities of gold?
Doomlord_Slayermann
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I just gave one of my daughters 200K gold so her character could buy ascended armors in Cantha.
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If you ask me, (and I know I've stated this before), the most effective way to get rid of "eBayers" is for ArenaNet to pretend to be a gold purchaser and then issue bans to whatever account trades with them. It would require one guy to surf eBay once a day and then wait for a trade window to pop open, then ban. It wouldn't cost ArenaNet money for the gold because the trade could be cancelled, just whatever wages/salary the one guy gets paid. Seriously, it's that simple. This would eliminate the profit margins of the botters, and they would close up shop and find a more lucrative game to profit from.
Former Ruling
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This is exactly why ArenaNet will not go after the people on the selling end of the eBay gold; they have no way of knowing whether large scale transfers are actually paid for outside of the game. Instead, ArenaNet is trying to trace the gold across accounts from the botters that earn it to the end purchaser and issue bans from there (or at least that would be my best guess). Of course, the gold can be split and traded into so many accounts that it becomes very hard to trace, and again I agree that this probably is not (nor should it be) ArenaNet's primary focus personnel-wise.
If you ask me, (and I know I've stated this before), the most effective way to get rid of "eBayers" is for ArenaNet to pretend to be a gold purchaser and then issue bans to whatever account trades with them. It would require one guy to surf eBay once a day and then wait for a trade window to pop open, then ban. It wouldn't cost ArenaNet money for the gold because the trade could be cancelled, just whatever wages/salary the one guy gets paid. Seriously, it's that simple. This would eliminate the profit margins of the botters, and they would close up shop and find a more lucrative game to profit from. |
ChaoticCoyote
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They already can trace who is buying the gold , why have to do it themselves?
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Also, they need to talk to Google. Do almost any search on "Guild Wars" to see ads for gold farmers pop up...
Former Ruling
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And how do they *know* who is buying gold, and who is getting a gift?
Also, they need to talk to Google. Do almost any search on "Guild Wars" to see ads for gold farmers pop up... |
Big_Iron
Isn't this horse dead already?
Mayh3m
hehe well its illegal like in everygame to buy or sell pixel over the internet but yes if you use the right sentence to sell your pixies well you gonna be in "legal" way to sell it. But watch out for scammers and other things like that. For me I think buying cash on ebay is a waste of money cuz how come like 2M pixies can worth like 50 buck lol anyway I wouldnt never buy pixies.
shadowfell
It's a double edged sword. If you ebay, you are breaking the eula, and you are ruining the economy. People complain things are so expensive, and then go ebay gold to be able to afford them. The farmers laugh, because not only did they sell you the gold to begin with for real money, but then they take the fake gold right back from you when you buy whatever from them for 100+70 ectos. And then repeat, sell the ecto and the gold right back to you on ebay. It's a vicious cycle. If ebay gold was eliminated completely, eventually the market would settle because then the majority of gold would be permanently sunk into armors and dyes wasted, rather than sitting in a storage account, waiting for someone to pay whatever the current going rate for 1000k is on ebay.
It would take a while, I admit because currently, there is a huge surplus of in game gold being hoarded with storage accounts meant for just that, storage for a rainy day, and the combined storage of ebay farming guilds, but it would happen. For whatever reason AN hasn't figured out a way to wipe out the ebay habits of people, and the guilds providing the gold for retail sale, but I retain faith that they will.
I find it ironic that the drop rate was increased to lower prices, yet things still sell for amazing amounts and in a lot of cases, even more than they would have in chapter 1. It tells me that ebay gold is alive and well, and that a greater percentage of the game population is doing it now with chapter 2 out, than had previously done so in chapter 1.
It would take a while, I admit because currently, there is a huge surplus of in game gold being hoarded with storage accounts meant for just that, storage for a rainy day, and the combined storage of ebay farming guilds, but it would happen. For whatever reason AN hasn't figured out a way to wipe out the ebay habits of people, and the guilds providing the gold for retail sale, but I retain faith that they will.
I find it ironic that the drop rate was increased to lower prices, yet things still sell for amazing amounts and in a lot of cases, even more than they would have in chapter 1. It tells me that ebay gold is alive and well, and that a greater percentage of the game population is doing it now with chapter 2 out, than had previously done so in chapter 1.
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Yeah but the thing is.
You are actually buying the item (gold). They can't say there buying the time it took to get the gold, you can't BUY time, you can't give time, you are generally buying/selling gold, which is against the EULA, it's not 'illegal' in a sense that the FBI, Police or Riot Police are gonna come to your house and kick your door down and arrest you. It's just against the EULA, which is agreeing that you play by ArenaNet's rules. Although, to be honest, I do think you was considering buying it, if you wasn't, you wouldn't of made this topic. |
I give someone $49.99 to play guild wars. If at the end of a certain amount of time, they decide to give me gold, so be it. (sidenote: This is technically no different than if you buy the game for them, whether as a gift, favor or what not.)
There, I just paid someone for their time, and only their time.
Its a loophole, just like any other, that comes with an "understanding." The understanding is that you get gold with it, it's not a requirement (or else it would be against the EULA).
This is the same way thousands of house parties get around the liquor liscense and selling alcohol to minor laws. You don't buy alcohol. You buy a cup. It's not illegal to sell anyone a cup. If there happens to be alcohol out, and if a person happens to fill that cup up with it, so be it. The understanding that comes with buying a cup, is that there is alcohol readily availible.
Though ANet gets a little more freedom than "the Law." The law is an agreed upon set of rules (much like the EULA), that requires heavy legislation to correct. Guild Wars is held on private servers that you must join to play. Thus, you are held by the whims of the owners. If they decide to change something, its well within their right to do it on the spot. You understand this the second you purchase the game.
That is the difference.
And its been said several times before, but I'll say it again. Don't EBay. Earn it like everyone else. Save your money for food, or shinny new objects.
Nick The Nicker
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I give someone thirty bucks to do whatever they want for 30 minutes. If at the end of that thirty minutes, they decide to do something for me, so be it.
I give someone $49.99 to play guild wars. If at the end of a certain amount of time, they decide to give me gold, so be it. (sidenote: This is technically no different than if you buy the game for them, whether as a gift, favor or what not.) There, I just paid someone for their time, and only their time. Its a loophole, just like any other, that comes with an "understanding." The understanding is that you get gold with it, it's not a requirement (or else it would be against the EULA). This is the same way thousands of house parties get around the liquor liscense and selling alcohol to minor laws. You don't buy alcohol. You buy a cup. It's not illegal to sell anyone a cup. If there happens to be alcohol out, and if a person happens to fill that cup up with it, so be it. The understanding that comes with buying a cup, is that there is alcohol readily availible. Though ANet gets a little more freedom than "the Law." The law is an agreed upon set of rules (much like the EULA), that requires heavy legislation to correct. Guild Wars is held on private servers that you must join to play. Thus, you are held by the whims of the owners. If they decide to change something, its well within their right to do it on the spot. You understand this the second you purchase the game. That is the difference. And its been said several times before, but I'll say it again. Don't EBay. Earn it like everyone else. Save your money for food, or shinny new objects. |
Ultra Peepi
wow, i started a interesting thread. lol
queenakasha
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Yeah but the thing is.
You are actually buying the item (gold). They can't say there buying the time it took to get the gold, you can't BUY time, you can't give time, you are generally buying/selling gold, which is against the EULA, it's not 'illegal' in a sense that the FBI, Police or Riot Police are gonna come to your house and kick your door down and arrest you. It's just against the EULA, which is agreeing that you play by ArenaNet's rules. Although, to be honest, I do think you was considering buying it, if you wasn't, you wouldn't of made this topic. |
The way the gold sellers see it, they are getting $x for x hours of their farming efforts, they're being payed for their time and gold or guild wars is not even part of the equation. I'm neither encouraging or discouraging them I'm just stating the fact that they CAN get away with this, and why.
On the other hand if someone is selling a Kanaxai Axe on ebay for $5, that would be seen as just wrong and there's no way around that.
Gold sellers won't go away.. the REAL problem underneath this all are BOTS. If bots are being used to farm gold, that is the major problem here for the guild wars economy and us. If the bots can be totally dimished, prices for things may start to settle.