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Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jun 2006 at 11:32 - 1

I ve been doing some thinking (really i did

)

this Title needs some kinda fix ...

the max rank u can get is Advanced Skill Hunter (3), rank u get by collecting 180 elites. Means u gotta cap ALL the elites of GW. it's not that hard ..

BUT, cuz there is a but ... to get the lvl 4 u need to get 225 elites.
It's pretty easy, u wait for C3, u cap the elites again, u got yer title, u ll need XXX for level 5 ...

what's my point ? well most of u people should have guessed already
to get the max title u ll need ALL ELITES EVER, in other words, u ll get that title maxed when GW ll be dead and no new elites released

my suggestion: make it maxed based on last chapter release, and remove the maxed out status from it when a chapter is released even for someone not buying it ...

ex: ppl who have all the Prophecies elites and didnt buy Factions cant have it maxed

ex2: let's say i'm grandmaster cartographer and i have 180 elites, it d mean i have maxed 2 titles for the Kind of Big Deal .. C3 is released, i ve now only 1/5 and my title d be 180/225 now

that d give some kinda real purpose at getting all of em

what do u think?

Jiao Yang

Lunar Rabbit

Join Date: Dec 2005

11 Jun 2006 at 11:44 - 2

/signed

Definately a great way to fix that problem. There is no point in only being able to complete the title once the game has died out.

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jun 2006 at 11:59 - 3

hey Jiao

well in a way .. when u have the 180 elites .. sry but it's maxed out to me

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

11 Jun 2006 at 12:06 - 4

Tbh i was wondering that... How they were gonna sort this title out when they release new chapters. I assumed 180 was the max level and that they were gonna up the max every new chapter.

/signed i guess since i thought this was how it worked anyway

Tetram The Troll

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Exxxcited French [TriK]

11 Jun 2006 at 12:23 - 5

/signed

Sab

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

11 Jun 2006 at 12:31 - 6

Should be pretty simple, just have the max set to whatever number the character can currently access. Characters who can only access one chapter would max out at 90, characters with two chapters would max at 180, characters with all three would max out at 270 (assuming 90 elites will be added in Nightfall).

/signed

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jun 2006 at 12:32 - 7

yeah

180 rank 3
+45 to get the 225 level
another 45 ... 270 ^^

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

A/

11 Jun 2006 at 12:52 - 8

Yeh it is a tricky one. One idea is to have it like the cartographer titles with options to show "Tyrian skill hunter" for example.

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jun 2006 at 12:55 - 9

nah .. sounds nice but it d be really easy to get 2 titles out of one

Guinevere Ac

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Milano

11 Jun 2006 at 13:05 - 10

exactly the way i hope it's supposed to be fixed to soon.
it's pretty evident that 180 is maxed now. give a big deal point to whoever maxed this title now, hard work should have a payback

Cuthroat Dibbler

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Lore School

Me/

11 Jun 2006 at 13:09 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuld

Yeh it is a tricky one. One idea is to have it like the cartographer titles with options to show "Tyrian skill hunter" for example.

Have to say I was disappointed not to get a "maxed" title for getting the 180 but can see the point. But I do like the idea of a temporary Max. And Skill Hunter by Campaign is also a neat idea

I also wouldnt mind seeing a title for having ALL the skills in the game...all profs, currently 784 ... now that WOULD get me closer to Kind of......

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jun 2006 at 13:17 - 12

at 1k per skill.. ouch

CartmanPT

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Mo

11 Jun 2006 at 13:20 - 13

/signed

Dragou Du Porzan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

Mo/

11 Jun 2006 at 15:32 - 14

/signed, though I feel that 180 should be the hard cap for the title. Not everyone who bought Factions and Prophecies is going to be buying the upcoming chapters. I think a title that temporarily rewards people who invested the time to max it and then yanks the title away when a new chapter comes out would be as frustrating as the current setup. The title system was introduced with Factions, so it makes sense that both games' elites factor into it. Leave it at that... 180 elites is a plenty fine investiture of time and money.

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/

11 Jun 2006 at 16:40 - 15

I posted something similar here.

Last time I checked using Guild Wiki, there are 180 total elite skills. Earlier tonight I just reached the Advanced Skill Hunter (180 elite skills captured).

Now, I thought that this title would be maxed/completed; though to my surprise it isn't. The next level (Expert Skill Hunter) requires a total of 225 Elite Skills to be captured. But there are only 180 in the entire two chapters. Sure they may be anticipating the next chapter release, but if that's the case this title will never be complete. So has ANet screwed up this title? Sure looks like it to me.

ANet/NCSoft, I ask what the deal is with some of these strange and broken titles.

/signed to get this title properly fixed.

I agree with Skuld, there should be seperate titles, even if it means making "Kind of a big deal" harder to get. Tyrian Skill Hunter, Canthan Skill Hunter, Core Skill Hunter; and if those titles get maxed, you get a title to display showing you have captured all of them.

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

11 Jun 2006 at 16:45 - 16

i saw that in yer thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaarg

What are they going to do though? Once you have the 180 'complete' the title and put 1 more to Kind of a Big Deal?

What happens when more elites come out? The title wouldn't be max anymore, so you'd lose that Big Deal point.. As much as I would like it to max out, it just doesn't make sense.. or would be too complicated (for later chapters) if it did.

personally i wont mind "loosing the Big Deal" since i ll try to get those elites asap

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

11 Jun 2006 at 17:48 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarun

Now, I thought that this title would be maxed/completed; though to my surprise it isn't. The next level (Expert Skill Hunter) requires a total of 225 Elite Skills to be captured. But there are only 180 in the entire two chapters. Sure they may be anticipating the next chapter release, but if that's the case this title will never be complete. So has ANet screwed up this title? Sure looks like it to me.

What worries me more is that if they plan to make an extra 90 elites minimum. They're gonna run out of ideas. When they run out of ideas, we get absolutely shit skills just so they can meet there quota. They're digging themselves into a hole if they're setting the number of elites available already. Energy Boon (ele) sucks enough as it is, so do Double Dragon and Ride the Lightning. Theres tons of em that are so crap they couldn't possibly have taken a great deal of thought over.

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

11 Jun 2006 at 20:23 - 18

They ought to just change it so that the minimum is not 90. It ought to be all the elites for primary for the first rank and all the elites for the secondary as well for the second rank and so on, IMO.

1st rank: all primary profession's elites
2nd rank: all secondary profession's elites
3rd rank: all of a 3rd profession's elites
4th rank: all of a 4th profession's elites
5th rank: all of a 5th profession's elites
6th rank: "" 6th
7th rank: "" 7th
8th rank: "" 8th

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

12 Jun 2006 at 11:20 - 19

8 titles out of one

^^ gz

might be usefull if there is KOABD lvl 3 that requires 50 maxed titles ^^

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

12 Jun 2006 at 11:31 - 20

No one is going to get the max rank title either, so they might as well fix that too if they are going to fix Skill Hunter.

oljomo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

12 Jun 2006 at 12:01 - 21

Hi

^What he said, your just going to have to accept the fact that some titles arent able to be maxed out, the prime example being the gladiator and hero title tracks.

Example: i did all this work to get to rank 12 and yet i dont have a kind of big deal point.

Thing is they cant set the max on that sort fo title, and there are some others that they wont be able to max out too (ie the kin dof big deal title itself)

oljomo

Ducster

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2005

GOFF Guardians of the Final Frontier

W/

01 Jul 2006 at 08:35 - 22

I sent this same topic to Guild Wars, and they referred me to the Fan site Forums to post this issue but it appears I was not the only one pondering this unique title, so..... I am in concurrence with the rest of you, and GW/ANET please fix this problem. We have allot of game money and time invested into your product we just ask for you to make it right.

samifly

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Girl Power [GP]

Mo/Me

01 Jul 2006 at 10:35 - 23

No need for a core skill hunter title - just include core skills in the requirements for each chapter title.

cai yi ling

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

24 Jul 2006 at 15:43 - 24

/signed

definitely want the requirements of this title updated. it's annoying that you have to depend on unreleased chapters of GW in order to get the next level of skill hunter! Temporarily max the title at 180 skills pleeeeeeeeeeease!!!

P.S. (sorry for late post to this thread)

Spoony

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Just chillin', Playing Gw

Rurik Is A Suicidal Maniac [ftw] - Recruiting people for HA

24 Jul 2006 at 17:48 - 25

Ill be the only one to say - /halfsigned, not because of the whole elite thing, but if that would happen, people would start begging anet for gaining titles like Drunkard easier. I dont mind it, but i just dont hope there will be such threads later.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

24 Jul 2006 at 22:44 - 26

When they came out with the titles, this was the only one that you couldn't max out until the next chapter (s?) came out. All of the PvP titles do have a max (Hero max is level 13 according to guildwiki, btw) It wouldn't be right to raise the maxes in these, as they're tough enough to get as it is. also, that would be like holding a carrot under one's nose to keep them going. And since we're not donkeys pulling a cart, that will wear thin real fast & people will get turned off to GW real quick and in a hurry.

I'm a bit on the fence about this title, tho - I don't mind them making the max at 225, IF it's obtainable with chapter 3. If it's not, I smell a carrot!

cai yi ling

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

26 Jul 2006 at 00:42 - 27

This is the ONLY title which depends on chapters which aren't released yet. Which means that it will never be maxed out as long as GW has a pulse- who knows when that'll end?? Also Kook, I doubt the max level for this title is obtainable with C3, I'll stick with the original solution at the start of this thread

I get it if ANET are trying to make people stay ingame for as long as possible, but as Kook said, 'that will wear thin real fast and people will get turned off to GW real quick and in a hurry'.

Yobz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

N/Me

26 Jul 2006 at 00:55 - 28

I think sombebody posted on a thread here to during the dragon event that there is no way you can max out the lucky/unlucky title during that one event.

Although it is possible there may be another Factions event, I think it is more likely that these titles are there for people as an incentive to buy the other future/past chapters. The whole idea of having a title is as an incentive to play the game more.

Also although slightly offtopic - I wonder how the account linking wth Nightfall will work in regards to unlinked Prophecies and Factions accounts. Will you be made to choose which one you link it to, or can you link both up to it (therefore retrospectively linking your Factions to Prophecies)?

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

26 Jul 2006 at 08:35 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by cai yi ling

This is the ONLY title which depends on chapters which aren't released yet. Which means that it will never be maxed out as long as GW has a pulse- who knows when that'll end?? Also Kook, I doubt the max level for this title is obtainable with C3, I'll stick with the original solution at the start of this thread

Now let's suppose (another IF thingie) that they stick to the formula for elite skills - Chapter 1: professions get 15 elites. Chapter 2: New professions get 15 elites and professions introduced in previous chapter get 10. That would mean that in Chapter 3 the new professions get 15 elites each and the Assassins and Ritualists get 10 new elites. (No new elites for the wammos, sorry

) This would bring the total number of elites availiable with all 3 chapters to 230 (180+15+15+10+10)!!! (I don't understand how they came up with 225 as the magic number for the max, BTW)

Under this scenario, you can max out the title with chapter 3.

(If this next bit has been mentioned, sorry for the repeat, but I'm tired) This is the only title track where you need to buy multiple chapters to get the max. To get the KOABD, you don't even need this title, so why would they make it if you could never permanently get the top rank? It would really suck if you got the max on this one as your fifth max, get that KOABD and then have it taken away from you because you don't buy the next chapter! (Have you ever seen the Simpson's episode where Mr. Burns is dangling a wad of money out the car window and Lisa's runnning along chasing after it? That's kinda what the OP is suggesting as a fix for this)

As far as I know, they're not going to raise the bar on us anyway, so I'm going to have to give this the /notsigned.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

12 Nov 2006 at 03:28 - 30

AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just found out (after getting elite #225!) that they changed this thing!

Now, the max is level 6, which requires 380, THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY!!!!! Elites. Guess what? with the 3 current chapters out there, you can only get to level 5! (According to guildwiki)

Congrats everyone who's been working hard to max this title! You've just been screwed!

You can keep your damn carrot, A-Net. This is ridiculous!

Lafayette

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

12 Nov 2006 at 09:10 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

You can keep your damn carrot, A-Net. This is ridiculous!

It's ridiculous only if you're going for titles simply to max them out. Some people do not. I am happy having Elite Skill Hunter as a title on its own, even if it doesn't contribute to KoaBD. It's a nicer title than the latter anyhow, in my opinion.

That said, I wouldn't mind if it temporarily maxed at different points with new chapter releases. But I certainly don't go for titles just so they can contribute towards KoaBD. That is not the only title with value - others do too.

Kai Nui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Behind you with a knife

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

Me/

12 Nov 2006 at 16:53 - 32

I gotta say it pissed me off since I had completed both protectors and cartographers and elites, but elites didn't count towards my KOABD. Now I'll have to go cap all the useless dervish elite forms and other things to keep it up to date, and even then it won't be complete. Kind of a big deal for a lot of useless nothing if you ask me. I say give us temporary max status, it's a hard title to get with a lot of pointlessness (when will I ever use a divine favor or strength elite skill on my mesmer?) and you have to be quick enough to keep up with it every chapter anyway to keep it up to date, I think that deserves a maxed out title.

Dalimoor_Kalkire

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

[DoA] - The Darknights of Ascalon

R/

12 Nov 2006 at 20:26 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarun

I agree with Skuld, there should be seperate titles, even if it means making "Kind of a big deal" harder to get. Tyrian Skill Hunter, Canthan Skill Hunter, Core Skill Hunter; and if those titles get maxed, you get a title to display showing you have captured all of them.

Hmmm, I like that. Making it into smaller titles? Not sure how that would work, but I like that idea. Just a thought. In any case, they do need to adjust the title and give it a maximum level.

/signed

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

12 Nov 2006 at 21:37 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lafayette

It's ridiculous only if you're going for titles simply to max them out. Some people do not. I am happy having Elite Skill Hunter as a title on its own, even if it doesn't contribute to KoaBD. It's a nicer title than the latter anyhow, in my opinion.

Getting KoABD isn't the issue. That's easy enough with the 6 protector / cartographer titles avaliable. For that matter, I could spend a whole bunch of time sitting around in outposts getting the max drunkard title!

The issue is that they keep raising the bar on maxing out this title. There are lots of people who have set themselves a goal of maxing out this title, and they keep putting it out of reach! Every other max title is obtainable with the currently released content, but not this one. It makes no sense.

People have spent a lot of time working towards the goal of maxing out this title, as it is one of the more noteworthy ones to get - especially on the PvE side of things. And with the max previously set at 225, many had the hope of reaching the top tier with the release of Nightfall. Now, there're a lot of dissapointed people out there. I wouldn't be complaining if they had raised the max but made it obtainable with the 3 campaigns.

You have elite skill hunter? Congrats on getting the 290 elites need to reach that rank!

seut

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Europa

12 Nov 2006 at 21:40 - 35

i hope this title line will never be maxed out...i want my ultimate skill hunter with chapter 27