Spiteful Spirit + ________

xenoranger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

14 Jun 2006 at 16:35 - 1

It's odd, but I notice that people don't always pair SS with other skills very often. Personally, I have a few options that I pair it with depending on how quickly I want to kill a target and what I want outta it. Just curious what combinations you use when Pairing SS with other skills?

me, it's Spiteful Spirit + ....Empathy
Nice for anti-warrior. Plus, it does some nice AOE dmg Backfire
Not very effective, but I found it worked with low success against casters Insidious Parasite
Stealing life and punishing attacks, this is one I still use today.

Reckless Haste
Speed up the AOE damage by letting them kill away Arcane Echo
I don't echo it, but I know many like to echo SS, so... thought I might as well mention it.

I'm sure there are other possiblities, but I can't think of any off hand. What else do y'all pair SS with in some of your builds?

(Not asking for the build, but rather how you pair your skills with SS)

BTW, I almost always use Parasitic Bond as a cover enchantment.

The Lich Ranger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Home

Children Of Orion

Mo/Me

14 Jun 2006 at 16:41 - 2

Echo+SS is the most common thing

xenoranger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

14 Jun 2006 at 16:43 - 3

yeah, but I hate that combo. I don't find it as useful as some.

Just looking to see what other combos people use

Pick Me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Thornill, ON, Canada

THE CANUCK MONKS (TCM)

W/R

14 Jun 2006 at 17:13 - 4

In PvE, I use the following:

SS + Parasitic Bond (cover hex)

SS + Backfire + Parasitic Bond (again cover hex) on casters only

SS + Empathy + Parastici Bond on warriors and rangers mainly

Archane echo + SS only when I was in Fire Island in Tyria

SS + Phantom Pain (again cover hex)

These are the main ones. I love my N/Me

Mr_eX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ice Tooth Cave

Opt and Niho Private Chat [lulz]

N/Me

14 Jun 2006 at 18:40 - 5

I like arcane echo >> ss >> echoed ss >> reckless haste on two off-targets that are near each other.

They damage everything while I focus my other spells on targets I want to kill first.

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

14 Jun 2006 at 19:56 - 6

MelechRic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

[ODIN]

N/Mo

14 Jun 2006 at 21:18 - 7

Spiteful Spirit
Reckless Haste
Price of Failure <--- for that Warrior you really hate.
Enfeebling Blood

Cover with Parasitic Bond. You can cover with Suffering too, but I like Parasitic more.

zaza

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Tiger Tail

N/R

14 Jun 2006 at 23:06 - 8

SS + price of failure + reckless haste

Stranger The Ranger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Those Netherlands

Dynasty Warriors [DW]

14 Jun 2006 at 23:39 - 9

Ya, SS+Reckless Haste+Price of Failure ftw...watching how Warriors kill themselves...lovely.

I stacked all these Hexes @ a Warrior whiling doing a AB once, his allies where all standing around him and they had about 50%HP left. The Warrior didnt stop swinging is axe...and he actually killed his own team...very amusing

Bone Jangle

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Border City Bandits [BCB]

16 Jun 2006 at 01:26 - 10

I often use Enfeeble, Insidious, and SS together on warriors n' assassins.
Either that or SS, Reckless Haste, and Spirit of Failure.
Or for casters, SS and Backfire.
All pretty standard fare, I'm sure.

I don't ever really use Arcane Echo with it, though.

.neuronster.

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

My house.

Grenth's Rejects [GR]

E/Mo

16 Jun 2006 at 20:43 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenoranger

yeah, but I hate that combo. I don't find it as useful as some.

Just looking to see what other combos people use You use Archane Echo + SS on an enemy that no one else is attacking. Then you go to a target next to it and use the echoed SS on that target and it makes them do damage to each other and EVERYTHING else.

Its hard to get used to, however. Takes practice.

DeXyre

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

18 Jun 2006 at 22:15 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelechRic

Spiteful Spirit
Reckless Haste
Price of Failure <--- for that Warrior you really hate.
Enfeebling Blood

Cover with Parasitic Bond. You can cover with Suffering too, but I like Parasitic more. or vs that assassin you really hate

most people kill themselves like this... i just stand there hardly getting hit

Jas D

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Oklahoma, USA

None

18 Jun 2006 at 22:19 - 13

I use SS + Price of failure.

Kali Magdalene

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Washington

20 Jun 2006 at 04:37 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by .neuronster.

You use Archane Echo + SS on an enemy that no one else is attacking. Then you go to a target next to it and use the echoed SS on that target and it makes them do damage to each other and EVERYTHING else.

Its hard to get used to, however. Takes practice. I got used to it fairly quickly. With two 20%/50% recharge items, I can even use SS three-four times which spreads the damage love liberally in the right places.

I am also fond of Reckless Haste + SS for the damage increase.

Mistermagoo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

In my computer room.

The Noob Elite [TnE]

N/Me

20 Jun 2006 at 22:44 - 15

Spiteful Spirit + Reckless Haste + Price of failure + Insidious Parasite (Takes all my energy away, but its still funny to watch a warrior/ranger/assassins hp fly down before they know what's going on).

Ole Man Bourbon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Atlanta

GONG

W/E

20 Jun 2006 at 23:22 - 16

Kitt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Amazon Basin

21 Jun 2006 at 00:06 - 17

SS--> Reckless haste-->para bond followed by a defile/desecrate enchantments,,, it always amazes me how much pain this combo puts on bad guys in factions

dndhatcher

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

CA, USA

Gamers Pride

21 Jun 2006 at 00:38 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistermagoo

Spiteful Spirit + Reckless Haste + Price of failure + Insidious Parasite (Takes all my energy away... Put a few attributes in inspiration. Fire off Energy tap then SS again then Leech Signet and you should have enough energy to hit Parasite and SS again when they recharge. An interrupt and energy drain that recharges me at the same time makes me happy...

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

21 Jun 2006 at 03:50 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by dndhatcher

Put a few attributes in inspiration. Fire off Energy tap then SS again then Leech Signet and you should have enough energy to hit Parasite and SS again when they recharge. An interrupt and energy drain that recharges me at the same time makes me happy...

Why not Power Drain? It gives you much like these skills in one slot.

Aussie AJMW

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Perth Aus

vanguards forsaken

21 Jun 2006 at 09:29 - 20

hmmm havent tried it but make ss/fire ele put mark of rodgert on or w/e the burning one is counts as cover and then u can just flare them so ur doing damage to them and there doing damage to them

Aussie AJMW

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Perth Aus

vanguards forsaken

21 Jun 2006 at 09:50 - 21

hmmm havent tried it but make ss/fire ele put mark of rodgert on or w/e the burning one is counts as cover and then u can just flare them so ur doing damage to them and there doing damage to them

Kali Magdalene

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Washington

21 Jun 2006 at 10:08 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ole Man Bourbon

I don't like stacking things like Reckless Haste and Price of Failure with SS. Seems redundant, unnecessary, outside of covering SS. All you need to do is Enfeeble + SS + Parasitic Bond and the W or R or A or whatever is most likely a goner. I like to save my other skill slots for a little caster hate, like enchant-stripping and interrupting. Bringing blood skills like Well of Blood and Blood Ritual can benefit your team, too. Reckless Haste + SS = a 25% increase in SS damage with a possible 35% reduction of incoming damage (at 16 Curses). The benefit of using these two skills together should be obvious.

I'm not sure how Reckless Haste + Price of Failure stack, but however it works out will greatly reduce the damage from one target. Of course, there's only one target in the game that's really worth stacking all three, at least in PVE. In PVP, you'd expect most enemies to notice the hexes stacked on them, or their teammates to remove them.

As for arcane echo, I find in some fights that I can have up to 4-5 SS active if necessary. It doesn't happen all the time, but even three is fairly good.

El Dirigible

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/N

21 Jun 2006 at 10:19 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Spiteful Spirit
Reckless Haste
Arcane Echo
Enfeebling Blood <------Important

Make your enemies miss alot, but attack more often. When they attack they hurt themselves and their friends, when they miss they hurt themselves some more, and even if they do hit you, it won't hurt. Add Barbs (best with a MM in the group, nice for taking down single targets) and Mark of Pain (only used sparingly and when the enemies will most likely be dead before they get a chance to scatter), and you got my exact Curses necro build.

Relnor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

22 Jun 2006 at 13:22 - 24

I just started a necro two days ago. Its now level 16 and ascended. I know SS doesn't count as AoE but does Reckless Haste trigger AoE?

Shadow Spirit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Chicago

your cat eats dog food [pup]

N/E

22 Jun 2006 at 21:22 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kali Magdalene

Reckless Haste + SS = a 25% increase in SS damage with a possible 35% reduction of incoming damage (at 16 Curses). The benefit of using these two skills together should be obvious.

I'm not sure how Reckless Haste + Price of Failure stack, but however it works out will greatly reduce the damage from one target. Of course, there's only one target in the game that's really worth stacking all three, at least in PVE. In PVP, you'd expect most enemies to notice the hexes stacked on them, or their teammates to remove them.

As for arcane echo, I find in some fights that I can have up to 4-5 SS active if necessary. It doesn't happen all the time, but even three is fairly good. Wow. I'm gonna have to try reckless Haste with SS. That sounds awesome. I also like the combo of Enfeebling Blood + Oppressive Gaze. You can do a lot of damage to a group of enemies With that.

jummeth

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

London

Diary of a Madman [SiKK]

23 Jun 2006 at 00:57 - 26

is energy out of fashion? cos the majority of the posts are liberally throwing around 2-3 15energy spells and rest being 10.

You do not every talk about how you plan to support that kind of output.
Not all of us have a spirit spammer to help us with out energy.

PD/leech is a bad idea since it synergies very poorly with all your attack skills, insideous/SS/Empathy is targeted at warriors, so your focus is not on the casters. Backfire requires completed spells so PD is very counter productive.

I have seen a few nice uses of these dangerous hexes. Backfire will tend to get the monks to CoP quickly, where then you can try sneak the diversion before the boon recasting or even before the CoP.

Shadow Spirit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Chicago

your cat eats dog food [pup]

N/E

23 Jun 2006 at 05:26 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by jummeth

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

23 Jun 2006 at 06:39 - 28

For pve necromancers should just about never run out of energy. Most groups use a MM so that is 1 set of 10 extra bodies degening around you, then all the monsters that die from party and your SS's. I have stuck with collector armor and have never had energy problems.

jummeth

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

London

Diary of a Madman [SiKK]

23 Jun 2006 at 07:50 - 29

Still, you will find that you will be drained of energy.

Personally even only using arc echo SS and the odd desecrate enchants, I find that you start bottoming out regularly.

Insidious is counter productive to use with SS since you typically want to make the SSed monster live for as long as possible.

ROFL @ Shadow spirit, still doesn't solve the problem, and you kinda just missed my point. Yoiu get 7 energy per death, which means that after you bottom out you need to wait for 2 deaths before you get energy again.

For most people this is hardly enough, although for PvE you don't have to be active the whole time, so you might be able to get away with it, however its a bad habit to get into.

Pick Me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Thornill, ON, Canada

THE CANUCK MONKS (TCM)

W/R

23 Jun 2006 at 13:27 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by jummeth

Still, you will find that you will be drained of energy.

Personally even only using arc echo SS and the odd desecrate enchants, I find that you start bottoming out regularly.

Insidious is counter productive to use with SS since you typically want to make the SSed monster live for as long as possible. Yes, SS + Archane Echo does drop your energy by a lot. That is one of the reasons why I don't bother with the combo anymore.

Insidious Parasite is NOT COUTNER PRODUCTIVE. It works well with SS. Recklace Haste and Price of Failure is counter productive with Insidious Parasite though.

The idea is to attack the ones beside the foe hexed with SS, so the target is hexed longer, while the other monsters are hit with SS AoE and your party.

gabrial heart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Las Vegas

Beautiful Peoples Club [LIPO]

Mo/Me

23 Jun 2006 at 16:51 - 31

If you have the 40% skill recharge with the wand and focii, you don't really need to a/c ss anyway, just takes more of your energy, when all the others like price of failure, reckless haste, enfeebling blood, insidious, etc.. are much better skills to spam around and boost the damage of ss.

Shadow Spirit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Chicago

your cat eats dog food [pup]

N/E

23 Jun 2006 at 17:50 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by jummeth

ROFL @ Shadow spirit, still doesn't solve the problem, and you kinda just missed my point. Yoiu get 7 energy per death, which means that after you bottom out you need to wait for 2 deaths before you get energy again. LOL. Glad you found my post amusing. But between armor and weapons, I'm starting with 54 energy. Then with the damage that SS + Enfeebling Blood + Oppressive gaze does to a mob:

By the time my energy bottoms out, all of those enemies are dead and I gain 7 energy through soul reaping off of all of them. Now I mostly PVE, so it's true that I really don't know how this would work for PVP. But using this setup, I really haven't had a problem with energy.

Kali Magdalene

Lion's Arch Merchant