To me, the liche seems more like your stereotypical villain with a better and more surprising plot behind him. He also seems like the type that you could have coming back again and again throughout the series. However, Shiro seems to have more depth and mystery to his character. In a 1 on 1 battle Shiro could probably massacre the liche with all his inflicted, although the liche had a large amount of titans on his side. Both were head advisors to their rulers, and both ended up destroying a large chunk of land (vizier = orr, shiro = cantha).
That being said, who is the better villain?
Shiro vs. The liche
awesome sauce
Vahn Roi
Shiro to me seems like a more "realistic" villian, at least his original motives seemed more down to earth.
After he became the emporer's bodygaurd, he started getting very paranoid and ended up killing the emporer before [he thought] the emeporer could kill him.
The Liche was just evil to be evil.
After he became the emporer's bodygaurd, he started getting very paranoid and ended up killing the emporer before [he thought] the emeporer could kill him.
The Liche was just evil to be evil.
AW Lore
for me shiro is better than the lich, i mean, the lich the only thing i saw he did was to teleport a party member to the lava, while shiro would teleport any party member into the mist, and replace him with a shirokeen (sp?), not to mention his "impossible odds" skill wich took me by surprise the first time i faced him with henchies and we were having a group hug around him
first chance i have ill kill chapter 3 head advisor of the ruler
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snikerz
i'ld say lich, he did involke the most powerfullest magic known to man.
Arcador
the Lich at least got a plan. Shiro is the typical easily manipulated bully which has no going back except to continue his misguided quest.
Markaedw
Liche by far, the lich was tuff. Shiro is you basic tanking sin, we beat him in seconds. Well by we, I meant the team. He banished me right off the bat and by the I got time, I just had enough time to activate deadly riptose and hit him once.
Sagius Truthbarron
What is a "basic tanking sin"? o.o
The Lich was alot stronger. You could probably 2-3 man Shiro, hes very easy.
In terms of character development: Shiro. The Lich thing was based around a stupid plot. Mumra The Ever Living < The Lich
The Lich was alot stronger. You could probably 2-3 man Shiro, hes very easy.
In terms of character development: Shiro. The Lich thing was based around a stupid plot. Mumra The Ever Living < The Lich
Mr_T_bot
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Shiro to me seems like a more "realistic" villian, at least his original motives seemed more down to earth.
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Count to Potato
Shiro would win with Impossible odds and meditation
Phrozenflame
Lich is more of a fictional villain.
Shiro has v. bad storyline behind him.there is no mystery or its not revealed to us so..hmph!
Shiro has v. bad storyline behind him.there is no mystery or its not revealed to us so..hmph!
Arkantos
I think the lich is more powerful. The Vizer (Lich) destroyed Orr with a very powerful magic, while Shiro simply brang the jade wind. I think its pretty obvious that titans > afflicted and shiro'ken.
Demesis
Burning Titans + hands of the Titans = pwned afflicted
lg5000
I thought Shiro was W/A?
Avarre
1) Shiro has no class, stop speculating.
2) The afflicted don't obey Shiro, they are the result of his passing. The Shiro'ken obey him.
3) The titans are no testiment to the Lich's strength (he took over them on a gamble), tbh he shows no real magical capability except teleportation and casting Chimera (ok, that makes him awesome I guess).
Lich voice acting > Shiro voice acting
Lich > Shiro, much better developed and a more interesting character overall.
2) The afflicted don't obey Shiro, they are the result of his passing. The Shiro'ken obey him.
3) The titans are no testiment to the Lich's strength (he took over them on a gamble), tbh he shows no real magical capability except teleportation and casting Chimera (ok, that makes him awesome I guess).
Lich voice acting > Shiro voice acting
Lich > Shiro, much better developed and a more interesting character overall.
seanedsw28
I would have to say the Lich. We dont learn the truth about the Lich until the end. With Shiro we know from the start. The Lich's plan was world domination and Shiro's was revenge. The Lich took a friend and made him an enemy. With Shiro never succeded in that. The Lich look scarier. Shiro just looked big. Last of all the lich was around for a couple of years at least and Shiro was around for about 2 minutes.
Doomlord_Slayermann
I can just imagine the fight now...
Basically, the Siege Turtle wins in the Lich vs. Shiro fight. GG.
- Shiro teleports Lich into mists, Lich easily returns from mists
- Lich teleports Shiro into the... uh... lava that is apparently there. Since Shiro is so... um... powerful he ignores the effects of the lava.
- Shiro teleports Lich
- Lich teleports Shiro
- Etc.
Basically, the Siege Turtle wins in the Lich vs. Shiro fight. GG.
Avarre
Lich summons 400 spark of the titan to rodgort spike Shiro for 400x192 damage. Shiro in response summons several shiroken eles that try to starburst the imps dead, only to learn the imps have inferno that does more damage and kills them first.
Lich wins. He also has more than one life, gg.
Lich teleports Shiro three hundred feet in the air, and little mortal human smashes into the stone.
Lich wins. He also has more than one life, gg.
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Doomlord_Slayermann
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Lich teleports Shiro three hundred feet in the air, and little mortal human smashes into the stone.
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Geek-outs FTW!
Avarre
Yes, but there is a difference between providing some 1000N of upward force in intense meditation, and... hmm... 100kgx80m/s^2 = alot more force (no people who know physics properly, I don't need you to correct it) of downward falling, while probably panicking and having your soul thrown through a vortex.
Also, his levitation ability is severely limited by the fact he isn't a spirit anymore, he's only using martial abilities, hence his limitations.
Furthermore, we can assess that say, a stoning spell does about 70 damage? Or so? And the stone is about.. lets say 3% of his body area, so the FLOOR would do roughly 2400 damage, multiplied by the increased velocity and addition of head trauma...
So yeah. He'd still be owned.
Also, his levitation ability is severely limited by the fact he isn't a spirit anymore, he's only using martial abilities, hence his limitations.
Furthermore, we can assess that say, a stoning spell does about 70 damage? Or so? And the stone is about.. lets say 3% of his body area, so the FLOOR would do roughly 2400 damage, multiplied by the increased velocity and addition of head trauma...
So yeah. He'd still be owned.
RTSFirebat
Shiro's levitate is a big lie.
My Ranger traps still hit him while he's using it lol
Plus the Lich had a great voice actor behind it, Shiro's voice is well annoying
My Ranger traps still hit him while he's using it lol
Plus the Lich had a great voice actor behind it, Shiro's voice is well annoying
ShadowStorm
Unless they were fighting on a Bloodstone, The Lich would win the fight because he would just keep ressurecting himself indefinitely until he won the fight. You guys seem to be forgetting the fact that the lich is nearly immortal.
Avarre
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Unless they were fighting on a Bloodstone, The Lich would win the fight because he would just keep ressurecting himself indefinitely until he won the fight. You guys seem to be forgetting the fact that the lich is nearly immortal.
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Lich wins. He also has more than one life, gg.
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Technically, liches are immortal. They cannot die to natural causes, the only way to kill them is to destroy their body (like all undead). However because liches are spellcasters that traditionally were created by binding their souls into phylacetry (making them one of the few undead that actually has a soul still, and also which does not exist in GW), destroying their body serves no purpose because its just an animate vessel for them.
The reason you can beat the lich on the stone is that his soul is sucked into the bloodstone after you destroy his body, effectively killing him. Mortal Shiro wouldn't be able to do anything except maybe cut the lich up (also hard, the undead are stronger than people often), after which... well the lich would just come back and fight him again
markus_thom
maybve the lich and shiro will team up in a later chapter after they escape the underworld or wherever the hell they went.
Avarre
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The lich is still alive dont you worry about that.
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striderkaaru
lich > shiro.
the lich was a lot more badass in the story too. he played everyone. he played the white mantle. he played the shining blade. he played the deldrimor dwarves. he played glint. he played the mursaat. he played us. we kicked his ass after, but still.
his story is also a lot more developed. he was a powerful sorcerer, and his origins and motives are explained.
shiro's back story was just weak. sure, we know *why* he killed the emperor. but *how* he summoned the jade wind just by yelling at the time of his death isn't explained. from all of the flashbacks, he seemed just like a very powerful warrior, but only a warrior nonetheless. there were no explanations of his supernatural powers. then, all of a sudden, he screams and turns the sea to jade and petrifies the forest? wtf?
the lich was a lot more badass in the story too. he played everyone. he played the white mantle. he played the shining blade. he played the deldrimor dwarves. he played glint. he played the mursaat. he played us. we kicked his ass after, but still.
his story is also a lot more developed. he was a powerful sorcerer, and his origins and motives are explained.
shiro's back story was just weak. sure, we know *why* he killed the emperor. but *how* he summoned the jade wind just by yelling at the time of his death isn't explained. from all of the flashbacks, he seemed just like a very powerful warrior, but only a warrior nonetheless. there were no explanations of his supernatural powers. then, all of a sudden, he screams and turns the sea to jade and petrifies the forest? wtf?
Theos
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lich > shiro.
the lich was a lot more badass in the story too. he played everyone. he played the white mantle. he played the shining blade. he played the deldrimor dwarves. he played glint. he played the mursaat. he played us. we kicked his ass after, but still. his story is also a lot more developed. he was a powerful sorcerer, and his origins and motives are explained. shiro's back story was just weak. sure, we know *why* he killed the emperor. but *how* he summoned the jade wind just by yelling at the time of his death isn't explained. from all of the flashbacks, he seemed just like a very powerful warrior, but only a warrior nonetheless. there were no explanations of his supernatural powers. then, all of a sudden, he screams and turns the sea to jade and petrifies the forest? wtf? |
Hidden Prayers
But still, I really don't understand why all the soul fusion stuff happened?
Just something Shiro had up his sleeve the whole time...
Just something Shiro had up his sleeve the whole time...
Theos
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But still, I really don't understand why all the soul fusion stuff happened?
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awesome sauce
My problem with the lich is that he was introduced in the second to last mission. Yes, he was there as the vizier before but I would still expect him to reveal himself earlier on.
Avarre
Why would he? He was shown earlier on, but revealing himself before you opened the door would rather ruin the plan. And you can't not have guessed it earlier, the voice is the same and everything
Guitary Boy
Why does every one see shiro as some totally evil guy, wouldnt you go a bit crazy if some scary old woman who has sucessfully predicted you future a few times then goes on to tell you that your good old mate the emperor is going to kill you, i would lol. As with story line, shiro's one is more built up and more interesting sort of sucking you in, with the litch...your just playing along then boom, oh yeah i forgot to tell you im going to kill you and take over every thing in existance yeah so canthan story line for me
yeah so canthan story line for me
tommarrow
I just wish the story for Factions had you do both faction side before you kill Shiro. I finished the story and had only done the Luxon side missions.