Seriously, whats up w/ the drop assignments? anyone figure it out? - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

TheSonofDarwin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Black Hand Gang [BHG]

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23 Jun 2006 at 17:58 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

has anybody else noticed that the drop rate on rubys is way up after the last update?

maybe a bug but i got 3 today off low level enemies in one short session.

going back for more

I also had 2 drop today with a full party of hench going out to capture Ritual Lord in Eternal Grove explorable. Perhaps a sign of a use to come?

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

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23 Jun 2006 at 21:35 - 122

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyvern King

Obligatory moan about luck finished, bye. That link looks interesting, I think I'll start using it. Don't peopel abuse it?

How would you abuse it?
The only way to abuse it is to find out where the best drops are and go there. But, if masses of people do that, then anet will nerf/change the drop rates, and the wiki people will just have to start over collecting data to figure out the adjusted drop rates.
It's not really something that is a "abuse it and it'll go away" worry -- it's a continual work in progress to figure out the data. and there's no use to collecting the data if you're not going to make use of it...

eudas

chumsy

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

26 Jun 2006 at 19:34 - 123

Did anyone really read my previous post?

I said to go farm birds in nahpui quarter - anyone try that yet?
If not go try it out a couple times - clear all the birds and see if they drop celestial stuff (guaranteed gold) when you see them holding it and tell me that that's random/luck.

If you only care about unfair drop assignments tell me if you've actually paid attention to watch someone's name go grey as they go out of range, then come back in for the 90% drop trick.

You people do know that gold chests always drop gold and purple chests always drop purple - isn't this a sign that it isn't as random as you'd think?

xnightmythx

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

26 Jun 2006 at 23:44 - 124

Why isn't this thread closed yet? I mean it's only been done 1 Bizzillion times.
Hey Mods wake up!

Drops = luck end of story.

Mr_T_bot

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2006

27 Jun 2006 at 00:33 - 125

Drops are assigned by an alcoholic, 15 year-old circus monkey.. with cataracts.

titan0987

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Houston, TX

Siege Turtles

27 Jun 2006 at 01:56 - 126

Party Members Drop %
1 100
2 50
3 33.3
4 25
5 20
6 16.6
7 14.3
8 12.5

Those are the drop rates if your complaining about another member getting a good item, and you getting shit. THere is no reason why you're unlucky. It's all percentages, everything relating to drops is. If everybody got some perfect weapon on their first try, then it would have no value *cough* totem axes *endcough*. It's just pure luck. These are exact, but basically show you the idea.

Let's just say your opening a FoW chest.

Chaos Axe req 13 - 50%
Chaos Axe req 7 - 1%

Catch my drift?

Mustache Mayhem

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

BEN

R/N

27 Jun 2006 at 02:18 - 127

Quote:

Originally Posted by chumsy

Did anyone really read my previous post?

I said to go farm birds in nahpui quarter - anyone try that yet?
If not go try it out a couple times - clear all the birds and see if they drop celestial stuff (guaranteed gold) when you see them holding it and tell me that that's random/luck.

If you only care about unfair drop assignments tell me if you've actually paid attention to watch someone's name go grey as they go out of range, then come back in for the 90% drop trick.

You people do know that gold chests always drop gold and purple chests always drop purple - isn't this a sign that it isn't as random as you'd think?

yeah I'm almost positive when you enter an instance some or all of the drops are set already.. but who gets them is probably based somewhat on hate from my experience and what other posters have experienced (interesting article on the sof website).. it's not totally random

no loot lucy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2008

E/Me

28 Jun 2008 at 21:01 - 128

"One thing I do agree with though... my Ranger gets lot's of caster items, while my Monk and Necro get a lot of swords and bows. This may be ANet's way of encoraging trade between players."

Well if ANet can do that, they should be able to have a more fair distribution of loot. In one evening, my partner got 12 purple and 6 golden which yielded about 20 runes and about 6 plat gold. Me? I got tons of spider droppings...no color, and oh, one purple that yielded a rune worth 25 gold...oh joy.

How about a round robin type of assigning...the one who gets it is out of the "random drop" until all players have gotten their drops?

recon54

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Necros Mausoleum

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28 Jun 2008 at 21:42 - 129

i too would consider myself one of the unlucky players in GW in terms of drop quality. After 6000 hrs of playing in the last 38 months and IDing well over 1000 gold items, if it werent for the faction unlock system i still wouldnt have the superior vigor unlocked (in other words, ive NEVER had a superior vigor drop for me)! Meanwhile i play with my brother and he gets not just 1 BUT 2 superior vigors in back to back gold drops! Then a week later i play with a former guildie of mine, and the same thing happens to him!

The thing that really gets me with this is that they both have nowhere near as many hours playing as i do, nor as many golds ided, and i had to witness them both get 2 sup vigs in a row!

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

28 Jun 2008 at 23:19 - 130

I was getting run in Hard Mode version of Cathedral of Flames with a full group, and I managed to get five gold drops plus two more from the chest at the end.

Either that's insane luck, I must be destined for something great in the next few weeks... or, in what I believe to be the correct reasoning... it's all random and not worth thinking too much about.

Nude Nira

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

inside a tanning bed

It's Raining Fame Hallelujah 【傘回傘】

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29 Jun 2008 at 01:57 - 131

I went on a FoW run with some friends, one of my friends got 8 shards, while the rest of the team got 0-1. They just kept dropping for him too. -_-

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

29 Jun 2008 at 10:43 - 132

You could talk about statistics and random chance, or you can complain about your bad luck to your deity or the corresponding antagonist, like the devil.

People are always trying to see patterns where there are none, and have a very hard time to swallow that they get unlucky while that terrible noob over there is one lucky SOB.

Issac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Earthrealm

W/A

29 Jun 2008 at 15:37 - 133

Not to long ago my guild leader got a green, 2 golds and a couple of purples. While I got nada :S lol.

Anduin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Ice Dragon Berserker Lodge

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29 Jun 2008 at 15:43 - 134

Went to the Underworld for the first time using my assassin. I went with my brother, also using his assassin.

He got 10 ectos. I got 3. We both fought the same mobs together. We went again. He got 3, I got 1.

I guess ectos don't like me.

Nessar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2008

West Siiiiiiiiiiiiiide

Gwen Has A Thing For [Pyre]

29 Jun 2008 at 15:55 - 135

Heh I notice this a lot. I'm usually the lucky one. I always get at least one gold when I'm with one or two friends. But when it's with a full group, I get squat. But I always get something good from the chest ^^'.

Legendary Shiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

29 Jun 2008 at 16:13 - 136

I've opened 1400+ chests on my War and the best thing I ever got was a r10 15^50 non insc Fellblade over a year ago. Which angers me.

Some people do have better luck. It's the same with that Zaishen Chest. I have around 600 zpoints, which isn't too terribly much, but still that's a solid 120 keys. Out of all those keys, the only respectable item I got was a r13 water celestial compass.

I wouldn't doubt it if somebody told me that certain accounts get better drops than others.

TarjaTeOrteyn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

Death By [Emo]

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29 Jun 2008 at 16:20 - 137

I have horrible luck with chests and the z-chest...after getting r5 treasure hunter and r4 zaishen ive yet to get an item worth more than 50k from a regular chest and my 2 best drops from the z-chest r a q13 DF celestial compass and a q13 command ametyst aegis...i havent witnessed the increase in luck after spending large sums of money like others say they have...after buying over 200 z-keys at 1 time and then using them all i went farming....shitty drops as always ...anywhere i farm now the best i get is "average" and ive logged about 2000 hours in 2 years...

Ate of DK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Netherlands

None but Fools [nuts]

29 Jun 2008 at 16:25 - 138

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

I was getting run in Hard Mode version of Cathedral of Flames with a full group, and I managed to get five gold drops plus two more from the chest at the end.

Either that's insane luck, I must be destined for something great in the next few weeks... or, in what I believe to be the correct reasoning... it's all random and not worth thinking too much about.

I did that run a few times a couple of months ago and I never had less than 10 golden items when I was done with the dungeon. I open all chests in this game that I encounter.

Playing any dungeon in HM and opening some chests along the way earns quite some golden items. Some dungeons more than others but it can be really rewarding.

Usualy my inventory, approx. 25 free slots, is always full after vanquishing or completing a dungeon. And I can't pick up everything in the end.

I've been playing for 34 months now and I've played with many different people. But I can't really say that others are having more bad days or lucky days than me. Over that time everyone I know has gotten some good drops and I believe I'm currently the one with the less gold in storage.

I'm a still very happy player that hopes that Anet has some secret plans for us before they release GW2. (Which I don't expect to be released before 2010)

Ate of DK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Netherlands

None but Fools [nuts]

29 Jun 2008 at 16:28 - 139

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anduin

Went to the Underworld for the first time using my assassin. I went with my brother, also using his assassin.

He got 10 ectos. I got 3. We both fought the same mobs together. We went again. He got 3, I got 1.

I guess ectos don't like me.

You should always agree on sharing the end results before entering.
Avoid the risk of being the poor bastard run after run. And it's also much more fair.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

29 Jun 2008 at 16:38 - 140

Quote:

Originally Posted by mega_jamie

I was in FoW the other day doin some farming with a party.

The first shard to drop was for our AFK man, who needless to say came straight out of AFK, apologising profusely.

That sounds strangely like me!
Was doing FoW - but got kicked off the PC (had to minimize the game for a few mins) because SOMEBODY needed to check their e-mail or something.
So I afk for a few mins - come back - apologize - run towards the team - and as soon as I aggro the foes - the guys kill off the warrior who drops the shard for me.

And that was the pinnacle of my GW luck!

Zorgy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

Paris, France

[any]

W/Me

29 Jun 2008 at 16:39 - 141

Based on my character's experience (37 months):

On a regular basis, I never make chest run....

treasure hunter title & wisdom title were rising up at same level, then one year ago "rare" items dropped less frequently ====> Today THT = 1349 & Wt = 1077.

As it has already been said Anet tweaks patterns.

All in all I don't mind its a game.

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

29 Jun 2008 at 16:51 - 142

Noobs get a good 'special' drop bonus of about 2x other players but it dies after running the map anywhere from a couple to a dozen times. Special is like gems, ecto, or item that's rare but is really a far less frequent drop than other golds.

I've seen this everywhere. Farming elemental swords, got 2 the first weekend, then it went to hell. Farming DoA full runs, I would get gem drops everywhere when I started, then I would get nothing besides the chests over time. Doing UW runs, the noobs get biggest ecto share.

I think this is what confuses people about "how did that person get so incredibly lucky?" In many cases they did because the game is designed for that, for just a small burst anyway. Just ask them how much they've played the area and the lucky person usually says first time or barely ever. Then you have ACTUAL instances of lucky which makes it confusing, but from all I've ever observed the only rigging is that noobs have a short window of boosted chances, then they level out like everyone else.

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

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29 Jun 2008 at 23:04 - 143

I have to say, and I've been playing for 3+ years, that some people do have far more than "average" good luck.

I know of one player that seams to have extreme luck when it comes to everything in GW.

I have gone on chest runs with him and he got perfect golds 3 chests in a row + retained his lockpicks...I broke mine and got purples..

He got a white rabbit for 3rd year Bday, I got the simian...

He's far from a newb as he has God Amongst Mortals title and is very rich...

Though I can't complain about my luck being all bad, I've had my share of great drops, but he just never seams to have a bad day. If he went into UW with an empty skill bar I could imagine him wanding the Dying Nightmare and getting an Ecto to drop from it!

enter_the_zone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2007

R/

29 Jun 2008 at 23:18 - 144

Yeah, I've noticed the drop rate is really weird. It seems to have a separate "luck" factor built in for each account on a per area basis. UW blows the big one for me, even before perma-SF. I'd do 3-4 runs as 600/smite (2 people, not heroes) about once a week. I stopped after I got no ectos or golds for 3 weeks running. HFFF is the most reliable way of making money. Boring as all hell though.

CoF seems alright for me, usually get 1 or 2 golds and a boat load of junk to salvage for materials.

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

30 Jun 2008 at 04:56 - 145

Quote:

Originally Posted by logan90

I think it is somehow biased. A variable linked to an account when it is made known as "luck". The lucky ones who get all the drops have a high number and those who don't have a low number. Thats the only way i can explain it. I found it to be like this months ago. I know some people with very high drop rates while mine and many other peoples drop rates are low. I even noticed it with chests. I went solo chest running(to get lvl 1 treasure hunter title) and out of 100 chests i got about 7 golds(most were jade wands). A friend of mine did the same and out of about 30 he got 20 golds(most were bows/swords/shields).

right, because the random nature of drop assignment alone could not possibly account for some people getting more drops than others.
really, your bad luck is just that: bad luck.
if you were to play for >9000 time, your drop rate would be much more consistent

vaxmor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ascalon

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30 Jun 2008 at 05:35 - 146

welcome to the concept of 'sample size'

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

30 Jun 2008 at 05:49 - 147

Old thread is old. Unfortunately, the drop assignment mystery is not.

I couldn't care less what others get for golds/greens. I make plenty of money from IDing whites.

MrSlayer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

United Kingdom

Quit Whining And [PLAY]

Mo/

30 Jun 2008 at 10:56 - 148

Bumping a 2 year old thread ftw..?

Lady Raenef

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Oregon, USA.

Zero Mercy [zm]

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30 Jun 2008 at 11:02 - 149

Yeah, when EotN came out, I was hastily farming Superb Charr Carvings to get the mask (before every monk with FoW and Chaos Gloves had it) and my friends who helped me farmed always got the carvings. Not me. Of course, they gave them to me, but still! I barely got any! For example, after killing everything, my friend had around 11, I had 2. That's some BS.

And we were farming UW, I got 5 ectos, my friend got 0. A bit messed up, but hell, I'm not complaining for that.

Anarkii

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

-None-

R/Me

30 Jun 2008 at 11:24 - 150

Random loot is random!

enter_the_zone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2007

R/

01 Jul 2008 at 07:03 - 151

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarkii

Random loot is random!

Well, aside from the fact that GW is a computer program and hence cannot generate truly random numbers, meaning loot dropping isn't truly random, it's just a good pretense at being truly random.

Sparks Dawnbringer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Los Angeles

none

E/Mo

01 Jul 2008 at 09:09 - 152

Some characters do seem to be luckier than others. I think your character rolls a luck number when the are created just like D&D. And like it or not that's the number you get to live with. I think a fairer way would be to assign luck to each player as they logged in. That way you could have a lucky day or a bad day but it would not always be the same person having all the good luck.

I would be extremely curious to hear from the devs about luck in the game, and how it works!

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

01 Jul 2008 at 10:23 - 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by TadaceAce

drops are 100% completely random....... no more, no less, don't think too much into it.

Random huh?

Try this..
Enter an area and log all your Green Drops, Gold Drops, Purple Drops, Blue Drops. Count them all up and file that info under run #1.

Keep entering the same area and keep logging the data for 10-20 runs.

Pretty soon, you will end up with no golds, no purples, a very rare blue item, and all the chests will only drop purple items.

Time does have an effect on bad drop rates.
But this is just my observation, they say it isnt there, but you know and i know...it really is.

Do what i do.. dont get mad about it..go farm the crap out of white trash..sell it and go buy what you want.

No anti farm code... ya right.

Joe Fierce

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Disconnect the fascination

LF High End PvE Guild that's not filled with elitists.

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01 Jul 2008 at 10:34 - 154

Luck is luck, in real life and in the game, i farm everyday, open chest with my gvg and halls faction everyday, get nothing nice ever save for a crystalline every once and a while, my friend metal on he other hand goes out and opens up a chest with one z-key and gets a tran tonic everlasting. if that doesn't show how luck can screw you i don't know what does, but even with that being minorly irritating, i still congratulate the guy, as he deserves what fate throws him.

Btw: I'm Using Animate Dead Thread on Corpse of Two Year Old Thread

Chico

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

01 Jul 2008 at 16:06 - 155

The devs could really make it simple for us to see wether or not the LS is working correctly. All they have to do is show us the counters for each area as we progress or just a summary at the end (or right after you enter a new area, get the summary of the one that just ended). You could even see if you noob heroes got all the good drops and you got all the white trash.

They could kill all these LS threads all at once! It looks like they actually like these threads and enjoy watching how far they get.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

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01 Jul 2008 at 16:58 - 156

31 months playing, don't farm, i play the game so no repeated killing of any one single boss for the drop, and my green weapon drops is up to today roughly 8 pieces or less.

just want to say, i kill wing more than 20 times in those day just passing him to get to somewhere, yes i kill everything going out on a map. lol consider yourself lucky.

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

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01 Jul 2008 at 17:11 - 157

I know the feeling of lousy drops. It makes me soo mad when I'm in a group with a know-it-all, noob, or leecher and they're the ones that get the golds and good drops. The rest of us get whites and blues, purples if we're lucky. Grrr...