mesmer, supportive?????

I had an argue with a friend of mine about supportive classes. He said supportive means that you help your allies so only the classes who gave direct help to allies are allies. I said that mesmer is supportive too. Could you please help us? tnx a lot

P.s. sorry for the bad english, my notes aren't that good , tnx for helping

Quote: He said supportive means that you help your allies so only the classes who gave direct help to allies are allies. In this context alone, the only classes that would give direct help to their allies are Warriors (shouts), Monks (heal), Necromancers (energy), Ritualists (heal + spirits), Elementalists (wards) and Rangers (spirits... depending). The only spell that a mesmer has that would be supportive is "Ancestors Visage" (and its 'Factions' relative)...

You know... this is why I have tried to make Inspiration Magic so that it fits its definition more... How is this attribute supposed to be 'inspirational' when it does NOTHING for its allies??.

And let's not get started with assassins... they're greedy little things...

Mesmers... arent really that much of a direct support class unless they are playing their secondaries...

Terra Xin is correct by the definition given.

Support characters give support to others, but it doesn't have to be direct. Support characters can also give parties indirect support as well.

Necromancers can cast Weakness, Enfeeblement, Enfeebling Touch, Price of Failure, Well of Blood, Blood Ritual, Animate Undead, etc. These are examples of indirect support (Blood Ritual actually is direct support). These are to soften up the enemy (animate undead spells are to add offensive damage and to lessen the damage given to your allies).

Monks can cast protection spells as direct support, healing as direct support, and even some smite spells will give indirect support.

Mesmers can also give lots of indirect support, such as Backfire, Empathy, Phantom Pain, etc. Some are conditional (must attack, must cast a spell, etc.) so the spell will do damage (thanks to conditions that are met) and will weaken the enemy (Phantom Pain will cause deep wounds when it ends).

Ritualists have about as many indirect support spells as Monks have direct spells.

Hope this helps.

Mesmers support by disabling the offensive of the enemy, allowing less damage and harm in general to be dealt to yours.

I'd say it's supportive.

My Mesmer is very supportive. He's always saying things like "You can do it", or "Good job Whammo"

I would consider a support role to be one in which the character is not actively seeking to damage the opposition.

I thinking labeling any class as purely supportive is a mistake. Most people would consider Monks to be a support class, but if a Monk configures for Smiting, he's not a support class. Elementalists are normally considered damage dealers, but an Ele would specializes in Wards would be a support character.

Likewise with a Mesmer. A Mesmer could be configured for a support role, but it is also possible to configure a Mesmer as a damage dealer, maybe not as effective of one as other classes, but still a damage dealer. Illusionary Weapon Mesmers don't provide much support, Interrupters and Hex/Enchantment removers do.

Almost any profession can be configured for support.

Quote: Originally Posted by DoctorEvil

Mesmers are (probably) the best hex removers. Isn't this a support ?
Mesmers can prevent casters' damage, exactly like a protect Monk : they counter enemies' spells through interruption, energy denial and/or shutdown. If protect Monks are considered supportive then Mesmers are equally supportive.
I think that Mesmers are more of a support class than a damage deal one.

Yea... But mesmers can deal spikes as well. They are situational spikes, like any other... And they are most effective when they are in the hands of a smart player.

Overall I think Mesmers are the most used (aside from /mo ) secondary simply for their benneficial skills towards other classes. That in itself speaks about their supportive ability.

Each class can play a primarily offensive or defensive (supporting) role, it all depends on the build he's running. An ele that focuses on spiking would be totally offensive, while one that focuses on dropping wards is more support. This is the same as a mesmer, the Inspiration line has many supporting skills (largely hex-removal based,) not to mention defensive by disabling the opposing offense.

Shatter hex; the best "supportive" spell of all time.

Quote: Originally Posted by LightningHell

Quote: Originally Posted by Evilsod

I'd say I'm supportive. In an ass-kicking kind of way!

tnx for the reactions guys,
I thought about the atributes, what atributes do you think are supportive, I thought of domination, and inspiration.

Quote: Originally Posted by hoppythebunny

Mesmer do interrupts + blackout to be supportive

The last mission in Prophacies is impossible without a blackout mesmer.

Quote: Originally Posted by lightblade

skimmed through this thread but mesmers are supportive, by both defintions given.

lets break direct support into 2 catagories

cast on ur ally support support:
Ancestors Visage-carbon copy of SV 55necro any1
Hex eater signet
Ihex-releaved hex
Shatter hex
expel hexes
Arcaine Mimicry(2 elites is fun)

cast on ur enemy direct support for your allies:
GUILT
anything that interupts a foe's offensive spell(what happend to that, your fav spike, I CoF'ed it).

you get the idea of course memsers are support chars.

There is not a single class that doesn't have a very broad 'support' role available, aside from possibly Assassin which is forced into a bit of a niche. The question is what you actually consider support, and how seriously you would consider taking it.

For example I consider the Ele a strong support class in GvG, but not Warriors. The support skills available to Warriors just do not really merit that title; aside from occasionally seeing a "Shields Up!" or "Charge!", what else is there?

Mesmer is an interesting one, the standard Dom Mesmer does have a bit of utility through enchantment removal mostly; without which Warriors would have more trouble killing. I don't think that is enough to call them a support class like the Elementalist though, who may have four or five support skills on their bar.

I think mostly classes are what you build them for, you can't really just throw a whole class into a certain catagory that easily. I could kit out a Warrior with six shouts to spam, or make a Mesmer entirely dedicated to hex removal... They would then be support characters, fairly bad ones but support none the less.

Elementalist is about the only class that I would be off the cuff with in saying they were a 'support class', as they do that so well and are so bad at everything else.

Mesmers can easily be supportive.

Me/N
Spirit of Failure, Reckless, Para, Distortion, Wither, Malaise, Drain En, Res

Is a pretty nice support char, although sometimes you get a self-inflicted 10degen =P