I've been trying to see which works better in PvE, I like the damage on eviscerate and deep wound.. But cleave is only 4 adrenaline! Can anyone tell me which I should use?
Also, I'm a w/mo (I made this after my mesmer and necromancer) and I was wondering what healing skills I should bring for tanking, healing skills from monk side or just a healing signet ?
Eviscerate or Cleave for PvE?
Ri3tN
Mr_eX
Eviscerate is quintessential for a damage-oriented axe warrior build because of the Deep Wound. Cleave is nice, but not really worth the elite slot compared to eviscerate.
Bring Healing Signet and chance your secondary class, unless you want to get creative with Smiting Prayers to supplement your damge-dealing abilities. Leave healing to your monks.
Bring Healing Signet and chance your secondary class, unless you want to get creative with Smiting Prayers to supplement your damge-dealing abilities. Leave healing to your monks.
Pick Me
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Originally Posted by Mr_eX
Eviscerate is quintessential for a damage-oriented axe warrior build because of the Deep Wound. Cleave is nice, but not really worth the elite slot compared to eviscerate.
Bring Healing Signet and chance your secondary class, unless you want to get creative with Smiting Prayers to supplement your damge-dealing abilities. Leave healing to your monks. I agree.
Eviscerate is better. Your tactics should be high enough that the signet can be used. Use defensive stances to allow you to use healing signet. The only monk skill you need is Rebirth (okay, maybe mend ailment).
Bring Healing Signet and chance your secondary class, unless you want to get creative with Smiting Prayers to supplement your damge-dealing abilities. Leave healing to your monks. I agree.
Eviscerate is better. Your tactics should be high enough that the signet can be used. Use defensive stances to allow you to use healing signet. The only monk skill you need is Rebirth (okay, maybe mend ailment).
Katari
The more you spam low-cost adrenal skills, the less effective your high cost adrenal skills become. Also, the Evicerate is an effective damage skill, and causes deep wound. With Cleave you're forced to take Dismember along for your deep wound.
As far as PvE goes, Triple Chop is another exelent option. While yet again you're stuck with dismember, mobs are frequent enough in PvE that you can get great milage out of Triple Chop's AoE. Just make sure you use a zealous mod if you plan to spam Triple Chop+Cyclone Axe.
As far as PvE goes, Triple Chop is another exelent option. While yet again you're stuck with dismember, mobs are frequent enough in PvE that you can get great milage out of Triple Chop's AoE. Just make sure you use a zealous mod if you plan to spam Triple Chop+Cyclone Axe.
Ole Man Bourbon
If you have 2 W's attacking the same target with axes, it's kinda dumb for BOTH to have Eviscerate. Something to remember.
tuperwho
I think of deep wound as being an extra 90-100 damage. Thus, even though you can use cleave approximately twice as often as eviscerate (yes, I know it's more complicated than 8 adrenaline is twice 4 adrenaline), it's 26 damage at 12 axe mastery (but doubled b/c you can use it ~twice as often, so 52) simply cannot compare to eviscerate's 34 damage plus the deep wound.
As far as tanking goes: My strategy is sentinel armor, plus a shield (exalted aegis with strength req.) plus defensive upgrade on my weapon. 121 armor at all times without using any skills ought to get you pretty far. Personally, I use troll ungent when I need it, but for a w/mo, maybe healing touch or vig. spirit. I'm just personally not a big fan of heal sig, especially in a setup where you're trying to max your defense.
As far as tanking goes: My strategy is sentinel armor, plus a shield (exalted aegis with strength req.) plus defensive upgrade on my weapon. 121 armor at all times without using any skills ought to get you pretty far. Personally, I use troll ungent when I need it, but for a w/mo, maybe healing touch or vig. spirit. I'm just personally not a big fan of heal sig, especially in a setup where you're trying to max your defense.
Marty Silverblade
I have recently discovered the wonders of triple chop. It's like cyclone axe and executioners strike put together. And it's really easy to cap. But if you don't want to go to Factions{although you only need to be there about 10 mins if you start from the lions arch boat trip} then i'd go for eviscerate.
Francis Demeules
The thing with cleave is you dont really need many attacks skills. With it, you can brings some more supports for you.
Lando Griffen
I think most everyone will tell you that Eviscerate is the way to go. Infact, that's why axe warriors seem to be flamed so much, because it's an incredibly powerful attack. It's essential for coordinated adrenaline spikes because of the deep wound it adds. Cleave is nice, however, for it's spammability, but if just wanted to go for damage per second and spammability, I'd consider a sword ( <3 dragon slash + sun and moon slash + galrath slash)
Hope that helps
Hope that helps
Despondency
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Originally Posted by Francis Demeules
The thing with cleave is you dont really need many attacks skills. With it, you can brings some more supports for you.
See, if you do that, you're becoming more of a monk, and doing less damage. In PvP, you already have monks of some kind that can already heal you. You aren't being what a warrior was made for if you add THAT many healing skills. Bah, may as well go play a monk.
Farin
None, Triple Chop. It owns face.
Yichi
there is actually a thread debating the use of eaither skill in pve? wow i need to get out more...
Valkyries
Eviserate is better than cleave hands down. IMO it isn't even debatable.
HOWEVER, I agree with the few who says Triple Chop. Im sorry this is the shiznit... You wanna smash people, and lots of them, all at once?? Use Triple Chop. In Addition, since you are W/Mo, you can take, take the damage, and really dish out the punishment. You are a power leveling character new best friend I can assure you.
HOWEVER, I agree with the few who says Triple Chop. Im sorry this is the shiznit... You wanna smash people, and lots of them, all at once?? Use Triple Chop. In Addition, since you are W/Mo, you can take, take the damage, and really dish out the punishment. You are a power leveling character new best friend I can assure you.
Hemophiliac
Triple Chop mainly and I toss in Evis' for certain mission.....
jummeth
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Originally Posted by Valkyries
Eviserate is better than cleave hands down. IMO it isn't even debatable.
HOWEVER, I agree with the few who says Triple Chop. Im sorry this is the shiznit... You wanna smash people, and lots of them, all at once?? Use Triple Chop. In Addition, since you are W/Mo, you can take, take the damage, and really dish out the punishment. You are a power leveling character new best friend I can assure you.
Since when did W/Mo = durable?
All high level War solo farming does not involve monk secondary skills. Typically they use W/Me or W/N
But anyway, for PvE Triple Chop is nice to power your adreno skills, however Eviserate is just so much more satisfying. If you have many difficult bosses in an area, you should use Evis since that will be much more useful in that sense.
HOWEVER, I agree with the few who says Triple Chop. Im sorry this is the shiznit... You wanna smash people, and lots of them, all at once?? Use Triple Chop. In Addition, since you are W/Mo, you can take, take the damage, and really dish out the punishment. You are a power leveling character new best friend I can assure you.
Since when did W/Mo = durable?All high level War solo farming does not involve monk secondary skills. Typically they use W/Me or W/N
But anyway, for PvE Triple Chop is nice to power your adreno skills, however Eviserate is just so much more satisfying. If you have many difficult bosses in an area, you should use Evis since that will be much more useful in that sense.
Lets Get to Healing
Eviscarate > Cleave. Take Executioners.
fb2000
ehm why use eviscerate on pve?? true, i suppose it might be useful sometimes, but its not like you have a target which needs to be spiked within 2-3 secs tops to death like in pvp..
if u are sure u wont run in blocking monsters, Whirling axe, Penetrating blow and chop work nice on single monsters or a energy low build.
triple chop for chopping many enemies
thats what i use myself, tho im limited to fow spiders if i go farm
if u are sure u wont run in blocking monsters, Whirling axe, Penetrating blow and chop work nice on single monsters or a energy low build.
triple chop for chopping many enemies
thats what i use myself, tho im limited to fow spiders if i go farm
Legendary Shiz
The only thing IMO that makes Eviscerate anything is the addition of deep wound.
Cleave is easier to find, and it does MUCH more damage. You can get off two cleaves in the time it takes to get the adrenaline for one eviscerate. Granted cleave doesnt add a condition, but it all depends on what you want to do.
I personally use cleave.
Cleave is easier to find, and it does MUCH more damage. You can get off two cleaves in the time it takes to get the adrenaline for one eviscerate. Granted cleave doesnt add a condition, but it all depends on what you want to do.
I personally use cleave.
SnipiousMax
Why deep wound something that is going to die seconds later, only to build up adrenaline again to deep wound something that is also going to die seconds later. Things don't live long enough, and mob monks are not nearly talented enough to make deep wound neccesary to kill something. Triple Chop is the best option IMHO for a PvE Axer.
Now, Deep wound is invaluble in PvP, and a warrior without it is subpar. Thus Eviscearte is king to the PvP Axe build.
Now, Deep wound is invaluble in PvP, and a warrior without it is subpar. Thus Eviscearte is king to the PvP Axe build.
Katari
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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax
Why deep wound something that is going to die seconds later, only to build up adrenaline again to deep wound something that is also going to die seconds later. Things don't live long enough, and mob monks are not nearly talented enough to make deep wound neccesary to kill something. Triple Chop is the best option IMHO for a PvE Axer.
Now, Deep wound is invaluble in PvP, and a warrior without it is subpar. Thus Eviscearte is king to the PvP Axe build. The use of deep wound in PvP is to kill things. end of Story. Nobody really hits a target with deep wound with the intent of reducing incomming healing, they use it to subtract 20% of max health from current health.
Why would deep wound be any less effective in PvE? Use Trip Chop + Dismember.
Now, Deep wound is invaluble in PvP, and a warrior without it is subpar. Thus Eviscearte is king to the PvP Axe build. The use of deep wound in PvP is to kill things. end of Story. Nobody really hits a target with deep wound with the intent of reducing incomming healing, they use it to subtract 20% of max health from current health.
Why would deep wound be any less effective in PvE? Use Trip Chop + Dismember.
Bloodied Blade
I would say bring triple chop simply because as @SnipiousMax stated, things just don't live long enough for the deep wound to matter.
As for bringing skills to support yourself...If you must, try using prot skills (Shielding Hands my friend loves) ?
I'm actually considering making a warrior pretty soon too... Good luck with yours.
As for bringing skills to support yourself...If you must, try using prot skills (Shielding Hands my friend loves) ?
I'm actually considering making a warrior pretty soon too... Good luck with yours.
Katari
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Originally Posted by Bloodied Blade
I would say bring triple chop simply because as @SnipiousMax stated, things just don't live long enough for the deep wound to matter.
Deep Wound *is* damage. It is a *lot* of damage, Things that take a deep wound to the face don't live long because deep wound hurts.
I don't see why that's a reason not to take it in PvE. Just run triple chop+dismember.
I don't see why that's a reason not to take it in PvE. Just run triple chop+dismember.
Kool Pajamas
Enemies die so fast in pve that deep wound really does not matter. You need to go more aoe. Deep wound only reduces the max health. If your enemy is already below max health then the deep wound matters even less.
Katari
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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas
Enemies die so fast in pve that deep wound really does not matter. You need to go more aoe. Deep wound only reduces the max health. If your enemy is already below max health then the deep wound matters even less.
Not true, not true at all.
Anything that effects max health will effect current health. If you take off a fortitude mod, you'll loose 30 currrent HP, reguardless. If a mob is hit by a deep wound they loose 20% max hp, as well as current hp equal to 20% max hp.
A target with 500 max hp will be reduced to 400 max hp, and will loose 100 current hp. Use Disember or Evicerate on axe warriors. Deep wound is good.
Anything that effects max health will effect current health. If you take off a fortitude mod, you'll loose 30 currrent HP, reguardless. If a mob is hit by a deep wound they loose 20% max hp, as well as current hp equal to 20% max hp.
A target with 500 max hp will be reduced to 400 max hp, and will loose 100 current hp. Use Disember or Evicerate on axe warriors. Deep wound is good.
Pupu
cleave is like quivering blade, highly spammable and you can dish out some serious damage with a +adrenline shout or stance e.g bezerkers, id take dismember+cleave
best of both worlds
best of both worlds
tryptamine_xxp
usually when i go to fow i take cleave-executioner-penetrating-dismember. that gives alot of damage if using a furious axe. unfortunantly i cant talk about triple chop cause i dont have factions 
. but since its eviscerate vs cleave id say : ask the other warriors if they got eviscerate and if they do take cleave and dismember or interupt :P i prefer extra deep wound for dual monk groups. but i guess its matter of your build and personal choice > eviscerate is executioner and dismember in one skill. cleave is a spammable attack witch can make long and effective combos cause its 4 adrenaline charge --- im with the cleave school :P
. but since its eviscerate vs cleave id say : ask the other warriors if they got eviscerate and if they do take cleave and dismember or interupt :P i prefer extra deep wound for dual monk groups. but i guess its matter of your build and personal choice > eviscerate is executioner and dismember in one skill. cleave is a spammable attack witch can make long and effective combos cause its 4 adrenaline charge --- im with the cleave school :P
Don Zardeone
Cleave vs eviscerate in pve?
I don't know which game you guys are playing but Eviscerate isn't spammable enough and once a target is already deep wounded, hitting it again (if it still lives) will be a waste of a perfectly good deep wound.
I changed to triple chop the first day I got it and never changed back for PvE.. except for one time when my team told me to for Urgoz's Warren. During the entire mission I wished I had picked triple chop because the eviscerate did like no damage at all.
Sure, it cuts off 100+hp aswell as doing 42 damage at 16 axe.. But by the time your skill is halfway charged, the target will already be dead.
And if you try to save your adrenaline by moving to the next mob, everybody leaves because you're "rushing".
Order of importance for PvEEE:
1. Triple chop
2. Whirling axe (if you really really need a massive DPS improvement. If you don't have triple chop, this is an ok alternative... seriously it is.. don't give me that look -_-)
2. Cleave (intentionally sharing second position)
3. Eviscerate (doesn't get used enough to be good)
He asked for PvE, PvP on the other hand, if you bring triple chop there.. it better be a joke build.
I don't know which game you guys are playing but Eviscerate isn't spammable enough and once a target is already deep wounded, hitting it again (if it still lives) will be a waste of a perfectly good deep wound.
I changed to triple chop the first day I got it and never changed back for PvE.. except for one time when my team told me to for Urgoz's Warren. During the entire mission I wished I had picked triple chop because the eviscerate did like no damage at all.
Sure, it cuts off 100+hp aswell as doing 42 damage at 16 axe.. But by the time your skill is halfway charged, the target will already be dead.
And if you try to save your adrenaline by moving to the next mob, everybody leaves because you're "rushing".
Order of importance for PvEEE:
1. Triple chop
2. Whirling axe (if you really really need a massive DPS improvement. If you don't have triple chop, this is an ok alternative... seriously it is.. don't give me that look -_-)
2. Cleave (intentionally sharing second position)
3. Eviscerate (doesn't get used enough to be good)
He asked for PvE, PvP on the other hand, if you bring triple chop there.. it better be a joke build.
ubermancer
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Originally Posted by jummeth
Since when did W/Mo = durable?
All high level War solo farming does not involve monk secondary skills. Typically they use W/Me or W/N
But anyway, for PvE Triple Chop is nice to power your adreno skills, however Eviserate is just so much more satisfying. If you have many difficult bosses in an area, you should use Evis since that will be much more useful in that sense. Pity, I must be a noob for solo farming Fissure with my whammo.
All high level War solo farming does not involve monk secondary skills. Typically they use W/Me or W/N
But anyway, for PvE Triple Chop is nice to power your adreno skills, however Eviserate is just so much more satisfying. If you have many difficult bosses in an area, you should use Evis since that will be much more useful in that sense. Pity, I must be a noob for solo farming Fissure with my whammo.
Green Dragonhunter
I would say that axe elites are good depending on the situation
Niosisw
You really need to just ask yourself if it's right for you.
Everyone here says EVISCERATE!!! TEH UBAR DMG!!! DEEP WOUND FTW!!!
That's great, one target, 8 adrenaline, elite. To me, when I use eviscerate on a nearly dead target, I feel like I just lost my first born child.
For me, I like spammable elites.
Ex: I love hundred blades, I love SS, I love cleave(pve), BUT THATS ME.
You really just have to ask yourself.
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Everyone here says EVISCERATE!!! TEH UBAR DMG!!! DEEP WOUND FTW!!!
That's great, one target, 8 adrenaline, elite. To me, when I use eviscerate on a nearly dead target, I feel like I just lost my first born child.
For me, I like spammable elites.
Ex: I love hundred blades, I love SS, I love cleave(pve), BUT THATS ME.
You really just have to ask yourself.
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Originally Posted by Don Zardeone
Sure, it cuts off 100+hp aswell as doing 42 damage at 16 axe.. But by the time your skill is halfway charged, the target will already be dead. Order of importance for PvEEE: 1. Triple chop 2. Whirling axe (if you really really need a massive DPS improvement. If you don't have triple chop, this is an ok alternative... seriously it is.. don't give me that look -_-) 2. Cleave (intentionally sharing second position) 3. Eviscerate (doesn't get used enough to be good) Again, he agrees, Spammability FTW Stovaa
Triple Chop. Damage wise, it's the same as Eviscerate. Only against EVERYONE around you. Also, it does not require adrenaline. 10 second recharge means it's about as frequent as Eviscerate without any attack speed boosts or a furious axe grip. Chances are, you're gonna hit 2 people with it. Which means it's twice as good as Eviscerate for damage, which means it's twice as good as Cleave.
May SEEM like spahetti logic, but it's the truth. But in PVP, bring something else. I never use axes in PVP, so I can't reccomend anything.
mrlopes
Until a few days ago i use the normal Eviscerate+.... combo, already got Tripple chop, but i still go with eviscerate, till i decide to give a try to Tripple chop+dismember and cyclone axe and...
Hum nothing more to say my build now is Tripple chop+dismember+cyclone axe+... with a zealous mod axe. This combo is much better for Factions area (a lot of foe groups) then the eviscerate combo, and i play with eviscerate for around 9 to 10 months, so i know what i'm talking about! This is my opinion! Ri3tN
So, other then shielding hands , what other skills should use for protecting myself.. or being self-sufficient or whatever ? Should I even use any skills on the monk side?
Effigy
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So, other then shielding hands , what other skills should use for protecting myself.. or being self-sufficient or whatever ? Should I even use any skills on the monk side?
PvE W/Mo don't need any monk skills other than Rebirth and maybe Mend Ailment, however, W/N with Plague Touch and res sig is generally better. W/Me with resistance stances is even more durable but can't get remove conditions from itself.
As far as which elite is better, I always used Evis/Exe in the past, but I agree with what people are saying here. DW is great, but mobs in PvE die so fast that it really doesn't matter that much. Even if it does do +100 dmg, that only makes the mob die 1-2 seconds faster and you can't repeat it that often anyway. I think I going to have to start using Triple Chop more often now.
buckscrib
Is there anywhere in Factions to cap Eviscerate?
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