Lvl 20 Req For PvP
Arkantos
I think that a player should be lvl 20 to be able to PvP in RA/TA and AB's. Many times ive been teamed up with lvl 16 and unders, and they just sucked. Sure, you may say even a lvl 19 can play better then a lvl 20, but chances are no. First off, theres a possible 45 attribute difference, and about 30hp (I think) The 45 attrib points is a major difference, and a problem. Theres PvP Only chars for a reason. Theres no reason someone under lvl 20 should be doing PvP. Barely any exp, which they need.
shadowfawx
On the contrary. I'd like to see Arenas limited to lvl 1-10 and 11-19 then the grand arena for 20s.
Would make for some interesting matches.
Considering the resources available to the lower levels... could see some very non standardized builds and strategys.
Would make for some interesting matches.
Considering the resources available to the lower levels... could see some very non standardized builds and strategys.
Maria The Princess
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9th Requiem
I've seen a level 6 in Alliance battle lobby, doing nothing. Not a problem in itself. But, I've seen a level 16, same place, shouting "Who wants a monk? I can heal real good!", and refusing to admit that a level 16 just isn't as good as a level 20. But the most hilarious thing was seeing a guild group of under level 20's in the battle itself. Needless to say, they became a target.
In TA, it's no bit of a bother, as you don't have to team with them, and most don't. RA, however, can prove rather annoying to have them - they make themselves a perfect target (not sure why though, as I'd prefer to leave them till last), they're woefully sub-standard in play because they more than likely don't have the skills or the practice for a good build, and having one can often make other team members rage quit. In short, they weaken the entire team before the gates even open. Maybe if Shiverpeak was open until level 19? Bear in mind Ascalon has 1-10, so it would kind of balance the issue.
In TA, it's no bit of a bother, as you don't have to team with them, and most don't. RA, however, can prove rather annoying to have them - they make themselves a perfect target (not sure why though, as I'd prefer to leave them till last), they're woefully sub-standard in play because they more than likely don't have the skills or the practice for a good build, and having one can often make other team members rage quit. In short, they weaken the entire team before the gates even open. Maybe if Shiverpeak was open until level 19? Bear in mind Ascalon has 1-10, so it would kind of balance the issue.
bilateralrope
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Make it a requriment that to enter PvP in the arenas that take PvP-only characters your PVE character needs to be level 20 with all 200 attribute points.
I would also suggest that if charm animal is on your skillbar, you won't be able to enter PvP in those arenas unless you have a pet that is level 20. Though I do enjoy killing a low level pet just for the blackout on its owner.. Especially if they then res it
Make it a requriment that to enter PvP in the arenas that take PvP-only characters your PVE character needs to be level 20 with all 200 attribute points.
I would also suggest that if charm animal is on your skillbar, you won't be able to enter PvP in those arenas unless you have a pet that is level 20. Though I do enjoy killing a low level pet just for the blackout on its owner.. Especially if they then res it
Taigech
Actually, I'd like to say I DID see a very, very interesting lv.17 or 18 once.
He made himself lower level so the other team would attack him first, and pumped himself to be a tank and reduce damage to himself. Thats ALL HE DID.
It was pretty funny, because it would work for the first few minutes. We got about 5 consecutive wins in that group.
But other than the rare occasion, yes. I'd really like ONLY lv.20s in my group, please.
He made himself lower level so the other team would attack him first, and pumped himself to be a tank and reduce damage to himself. Thats ALL HE DID.
It was pretty funny, because it would work for the first few minutes. We got about 5 consecutive wins in that group.
But other than the rare occasion, yes. I'd really like ONLY lv.20s in my group, please.
Peewee
Hehe, i think arenas for different level players would be cool, and the ability to choose level when making a pvp character. I am sure lvl 10 only random arena is a very different game from lvl 20 random.
On the subject of banning all under lvl 20s from RA its not a bad idea but not a great one. A lvl 20 may still have a substantial 30 point deficit, and to be honesy what is really needed in RA is a wammo filter. No leeroys beyond this point kinda thing.
So, /signed basically, but i doubt it would solve much.
On the subject of banning all under lvl 20s from RA its not a bad idea but not a great one. A lvl 20 may still have a substantial 30 point deficit, and to be honesy what is really needed in RA is a wammo filter. No leeroys beyond this point kinda thing.
So, /signed basically, but i doubt it would solve much.
Tarun
/not signed - they'll learn fast enough getting killed quickly.
HawkofStorms
/not signed
It is sort of unfair to leave them out. Besides, they will learn better.
The thing is, people who don't know any better and go into arenas at level 16-19 probably aren't that experienced. When they hit level 20, they still won't be experienced. A level 19 isn't really that subpar in RA (which is a joke) as much as the fact that the guy playing him is obviously new and will have a bad PvP build (thus why it always seems like those level 19s are aweful). It is sort of like a newbie alert title displayed while PvPing. Now if only we could get something like that for all the n00bs (echo mending ftw!).
It is sort of unfair to leave them out. Besides, they will learn better.
The thing is, people who don't know any better and go into arenas at level 16-19 probably aren't that experienced. When they hit level 20, they still won't be experienced. A level 19 isn't really that subpar in RA (which is a joke) as much as the fact that the guy playing him is obviously new and will have a bad PvP build (thus why it always seems like those level 19s are aweful). It is sort of like a newbie alert title displayed while PvPing. Now if only we could get something like that for all the n00bs (echo mending ftw!).
Tseng Shinra
Lets look for the 5hp monk 
shane william
lol vamp bow string ftw!
Rhunex
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Arena is arena. If you're going to play RA, then don't complain about sucky teammates. It happens. ITS RANDOM. If you don't want a level 1 on your team in an arena then DON'T PLAY THE RANDOM ARENA. Use common sense on that. Just because someone isn't lvl 20 and trying to rawk the RA like a hurricane doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to play arena. For all you know, it's their first char, and they want to check to see how they fit up with other people on a team.
If you don't like a lvl 19 or under on your team, go to TA. You can make sure all of your teammates are level 20 or above there. Trust me, I do not lie about this. There's a party window that allows you to view all party member information in regards to level, primary/secondary professions and names. Don't complain that your party leader let anyone in and went into the arena either, because you can start your own party, it's not difficult.
If you don't like a teammate being a lower level than 20 in an alliance battle, then I suggest you get into a pvp alliance group. They don't allow people under level 20 in. If your alliance doesn't, too bad, so sad, get into a new group. Don't play a competitive game and complain that your team sucks, because you're the one to choose what team your on(unless, of course, you suck, they hate you, and won't let you in).
Arena is arena. If you're going to play RA, then don't complain about sucky teammates. It happens. ITS RANDOM. If you don't want a level 1 on your team in an arena then DON'T PLAY THE RANDOM ARENA. Use common sense on that. Just because someone isn't lvl 20 and trying to rawk the RA like a hurricane doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to play arena. For all you know, it's their first char, and they want to check to see how they fit up with other people on a team.
If you don't like a lvl 19 or under on your team, go to TA. You can make sure all of your teammates are level 20 or above there. Trust me, I do not lie about this. There's a party window that allows you to view all party member information in regards to level, primary/secondary professions and names. Don't complain that your party leader let anyone in and went into the arena either, because you can start your own party, it's not difficult.
If you don't like a teammate being a lower level than 20 in an alliance battle, then I suggest you get into a pvp alliance group. They don't allow people under level 20 in. If your alliance doesn't, too bad, so sad, get into a new group. Don't play a competitive game and complain that your team sucks, because you're the one to choose what team your on(unless, of course, you suck, they hate you, and won't let you in).
Arkantos
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they'll learn fast enough getting killed quickly.
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Originally Posted by shadowfawx
On the contrary. I'd like to see Arenas limited to lvl 1-10 and 11-19 then the grand arena for 20s.
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
It is sort of unfair to leave them out. Besides, they will learn better.
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Originally Posted by Rhunex
Arena is arena. If you're going to play RA, then don't complain about sucky teammates. It happens. ITS RANDOM. If you don't want a level 1 on your team in an arena then DON'T PLAY THE RANDOM ARENA. Use common sense on that. Just because someone isn't lvl 20 and trying to rawk the RA like a hurricane doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to play arena. For all you know, it's their first char, and they want to check to see how they fit up with other people on a team.
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If you don't like a lvl 19 or under on your team, go to TA
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Maria The Princess
i donno wif anyon enoticed but in ascalon and yaks theres arenas for low levels... leave RA for lvl 20s
RTSFirebat
/signed
Random Arena, Team Arena, Alliance Battles should be for Level 20s only.
Random Arena, Team Arena, Alliance Battles should be for Level 20s only.
Ken Dei
"Signet of Dissapproval"
While I agree most under lvl 20s in PvP bite, I have found many that don't. I even met a lvl 13 Warrior in RA that tanked as well as I did and killed two of the enemy...it was scary. Granted we had a monk for back up but I watched his health, it rarely needed healing...
While I agree most under lvl 20s in PvP bite, I have found many that don't. I even met a lvl 13 Warrior in RA that tanked as well as I did and killed two of the enemy...it was scary. Granted we had a monk for back up but I watched his health, it rarely needed healing...
prism2525
lower lvls are underpowered. That is true and undenyable, but keeping them out is unfair. I have lvl 20 chars but i admit i don't shine that much in pvp. However there ARE low level chars which give a good show in RA (few, but they exist). If this is implemented I'm sorry to think ppl are scared of being beaten by a 'low-lvl) char. now with the update that you can buy any skill you've unlocked it's easier to make good build at lower lvls.
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kimahri
/signed, especially level 17-19 Canthans can do just a couple of quests, become level 20 then come back.
Nightwish
I see no practical reason why anyone would bring a <lvl20 char into RA where98% of the characters there are lvl20.
Its like handicapping yourself and your team consciously and unnecessarily.
Yes, teamates with sucky skills are terrible, but those that bring lower lvl chars into pvp are much worse (lack of common sense if i may be bold).
/signed
Its like handicapping yourself and your team consciously and unnecessarily.
Yes, teamates with sucky skills are terrible, but those that bring lower lvl chars into pvp are much worse (lack of common sense if i may be bold).
/signed
Grasping Darkness
i think its funny to go in ra at lvl 10 when you know what youre doing. i made a mes a few months ago for kicks and took many ss of me(lvl 10 mes) chasing people without enchant removers around running for their e-lives while yelling at me calling me an iw noob. there is a counter for everything. there is a build for everything. START/all progarms/accessories/calculator
fallot
/signed for level 20 with 200 attribute points. At the very least a message when an incomplete PvE character attempts to enter any forum of random PvP.
Zui
/signed
There's absolutly no reason for PvPing with a sub-level 20, or PvPing when you don't have all 200 attribute points, or max armor.
To be quite honest, it is not unfair to exclude them. If you haven't even reached level 20 yet, in Tyria or Cantha, there's a 99% chance you're going to have a free slot for a PvP charactar.
It is however unfair to include them. Yes, that's right, it's unfair, atleast where you can't pick your own team(RA) or the other teams on your side(ABs). If nothing more, exclude them from those types of combat. Excluding them from GvG, HA, and TA would be nice too, because it would frankly be doing theese players a favor, and it wouldn't waste someone else's time.
Add a 15-19 arena in both Tyria and Cantha. Restrict them from playing other PvP. Problem solved, everyone's happy.
There's absolutly no reason for PvPing with a sub-level 20, or PvPing when you don't have all 200 attribute points, or max armor.
To be quite honest, it is not unfair to exclude them. If you haven't even reached level 20 yet, in Tyria or Cantha, there's a 99% chance you're going to have a free slot for a PvP charactar.
It is however unfair to include them. Yes, that's right, it's unfair, atleast where you can't pick your own team(RA) or the other teams on your side(ABs). If nothing more, exclude them from those types of combat. Excluding them from GvG, HA, and TA would be nice too, because it would frankly be doing theese players a favor, and it wouldn't waste someone else's time.
Add a 15-19 arena in both Tyria and Cantha. Restrict them from playing other PvP. Problem solved, everyone's happy.
Lady Kalvam
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Keep them out of the Level 20 Arenas. They just shouldn't be there with such a low character. And now, this is in no way unfair towards them. They can make a PVP Character anytime - with max Level and max Equipment so they're even with everyone else.
Whenever i see a low level on my team i just leave, even if it breaks a 10 win chain on the 10th win. Chances are, he either totally has no clue wtf he is doing there - match is lost anyways. Or he is someone who twinked his character for the low level arenas. Absolutely a person i don't want to play with. Both situations, it's a lose/lose situation. Why waste time?
Keep them out of the Level 20 Arenas. They just shouldn't be there with such a low character. And now, this is in no way unfair towards them. They can make a PVP Character anytime - with max Level and max Equipment so they're even with everyone else.
Whenever i see a low level on my team i just leave, even if it breaks a 10 win chain on the 10th win. Chances are, he either totally has no clue wtf he is doing there - match is lost anyways. Or he is someone who twinked his character for the low level arenas. Absolutely a person i don't want to play with. Both situations, it's a lose/lose situation. Why waste time?
nugzta
How about max armor and max weapons?
prism2525
all of this thread is ridiculous. Just because you guys don't know how to play unless you got a lvl 20 char it doesn't mean no on can. Also if under lvl 20 are bad they will soon get fed up and leave.
audioaxes
i agree, if I see anything less than lvl20 in RA I will leave instantly
theres also a HUGE correlation between lower levels and if they are very bad in pvp
but for TA I dont think its much a problem, if someone wants to join or invite a group with lower levels thats their problem not mine
theres also a HUGE correlation between lower levels and if they are very bad in pvp
but for TA I dont think its much a problem, if someone wants to join or invite a group with lower levels thats their problem not mine
master_of_puppets
/signed
Its not about how experienced you are but that you have less health/ attributes etc.
And how hard is it to get to level 20 or make a pvp-only char?
Its not about how experienced you are but that you have less health/ attributes etc.
And how hard is it to get to level 20 or make a pvp-only char?
Kool Pajamas
/signed
Its not hard to get to lvl 20.
Its not hard to get to lvl 20.
Tien ak
/Signed
I can't go in asclaon or Yak's bend arenas so why can they come into mine a ruin my matches
I can't go in asclaon or Yak's bend arenas so why can they come into mine a ruin my matches
Skuld
Yes, its sooo easy to duplicate your char's skills but with max gear in a PvP char.
Tarun
I can see people under level 20 PvPing for an added challenge; especially since this game lacks a higher level cap.
master_of_puppets
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I can see people under level 20 PvPing for an added challenge; especially since this game lacks a higher level cap.
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Tarun
It's not that big of a deal, just accept it and move on. Let people play and have fun. Maybe they can't level up any more than what they are because they have a life. 
Arkantos
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It's not that big of a deal, just accept it and move on. Let people play and have fun. Maybe they can't level up any more than what they are because they have a life.
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anonymous
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all of this thread is ridiculous. Just because you guys don't know how to play unless you got a lvl 20 char it doesn't mean no on can. Also if under lvl 20 are bad they will soon get fed up and leave.
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It's not that big of a deal, just accept it and move on. Let people play and have fun. Maybe they can't level up any more than what they are because they have a life.
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I can see people under level 20 PvPing for an added challenge; especially since this game lacks a higher level cap.
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samifly
Add a 15-19 area in, say the desert, and another one at seitung harbor or marketplace, and block all non-20s (and people with non-max attributes too) from high level PvP, i think is a good idea.