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Lawnmower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/R

20 Jun 2006 at 21:11 - 1

a guildmate of mine who is a total newbie, started a few days ago(lvl 8) had already got burned out. he thought the game was very hard and complex. I think many felt like him.

then another guild mate gave him a nice axe and a nice shield. now the little dude who got owned by mobs lower levels than him, pwned hard and it gave him new motivation.

it sort of made me remember how much long time playing gamers can help new people out.

GW is a very hard game to understand and I think 80% of everyone who plays it never really takes the time to really learn it. its probably only a small fraction of people who actually use forums and learn about damage calculations and advanced builds.

It was just great seeing a new person who only meet defeats and got frustrated by his trial and errors, and managed to find a lighter path when he just got some help. I reallly hope that someday ArenaNet will implant more ways for advanced players to help beginners, in many ways.

maybe create an master - apprentice system were an advanced player would be able to take a newbie under his wing to train in certain dangerous places. that would be fun...

Cracko

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

20 Jun 2006 at 21:33 - 2

Thats great, but out of my experience

e.g:

I ran this guy to droks, he was unkown what was up there.
So when he asked questions about i thought like wtf?
but i thought, when i first played the game i had a run to droks too unkowing what was over there at droks.

Offcourse, he couldn't afford his armor, so i gave him all the stuff he needed to buy his thing
a little victos blade here and a nice gold shield, and i really thought, wow, ive done something real good

But now, he keeps asking me for more..

=/

Esprit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dvd Forums [DVDF]

E/

20 Jun 2006 at 21:42 - 3

Quote:

then another guild mate gave him a nice axe and a nice shield. now the little dude who got owned by mobs lower levels than him, pwned hard and it gave him new motivation.

Because killing enemies, when you first start, without a nice axe and shield, is terribly difficult and only the most elite players have accomplished this feat.

Do new players expect their levels to be handed to them on a silver platter, along with shiny max stat items? Because, the game, especially beginning Tyria, is not hard at all.

Rather than give him good items, give him a few lessons on how to play the game, and using henchmen and skills correctly.

Lawnmower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/R

20 Jun 2006 at 21:51 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esprit

Because killing enemies, when you first start, without a nice axe and shield, is terribly difficult and only the most elite players have accomplished this feat.

Do new players expect their levels to be handed to them on a silver platter, along with shiny max stat items? Because, the game, especially beginning Tyria, is not hard at all.

Rather than give him good items, give him a few lessons on how to play the game, and using henchmen and skills correctly.

I guess many casual gamers dont really care about all that. they just wanna have fun, killing stuff, finding cool loot and following a cool story. gaming is about having fun, and reading a ton of complex rules and strange skills is just not fun to everyone I guess.

I think many people dont have the patience to sit down and read what the npcs and torturials say. people are to busy just wanting to play.. and as a result they get owned early one.

Blackest Rose

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

20 Jun 2006 at 22:04 - 5

I completely agree with Lawnmower here - you have to remember that GW caters to all types of players.

It's a game - everyone should be entitled to have fun at every level....

Everyone from the Teenagers who have tons of time (over ~25 hrs a week) - to a Mum/Dad holding down 1 (or even 2) jobs with a family (under ~6 hrs a week).

Those who want to be leet - can be.
Those who want to play 30mins, meet/make online friends, have a laugh etc - can be.

That's why this game is so great - you can get your head to toe 15K armor or just make do with collectors stuff. No big deal.

It's because you choose whether to invest heavily in the game or not - the game doesn't really say - sorry must have 100K to enter this area etc. (yeah UW/FOW is 1k but that's doable

)

Sagius Truthbarron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Animal Factory [ZoO]

A/

20 Jun 2006 at 22:08 - 6

Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish, and he will eat for a life-time.

Naxohs Seralna

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Norway

House of the Silver Phoenix (HSP)

E/R

20 Jun 2006 at 22:35 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cracko

Thats great, but out of my experience

e.g:

I ran this guy to droks, he was unkown what was up there.
So when he asked questions about i thought like wtf?
but i thought, when i first played the game i had a run to droks too unkowing what was over there at droks.

Offcourse, he couldn't afford his armor, so i gave him all the stuff he needed to buy his thing
a little victos blade here and a nice gold shield, and i really thought, wow, ive done something real good

But now, he keeps asking me for more..

=/

Almost the exact same thing happened to me in Star Wars Galaxies! I was a master doctor, so I had no problem making LOTS of money fast. Either way: one time, I gave this new guy I had been playing with a pretty decent bunch of cash. It didn't take long before the PMs started coming in. This guy just didn't stop begging for more. He even got REALLY impolite, saying stuff like "zomg ur a master doc u can maek it back rly fast!!! so giev me sum more!!!"...

What did I learn from this little experience? Don't EVER give newbies big $$$.

Mr_T_bot

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2006

20 Jun 2006 at 22:36 - 8

Ever sicne drop rates have gone to hell, yes, they have notably changed sicne I started playing, it just isn't worth it.
You practically have to be an abusing farmer to get anything half worthwhile.

Lawnmower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/R

20 Jun 2006 at 23:12 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_T_bot

Ever sicne drop rates have gone to hell, yes, they have notably changed sicne I started playing, it just isn't worth it.
You practically have to be an abusing farmer to get anything half worthwhile.

i belive the true problem is in the lack of items and loot to find.

it would be great that to get a maxed out weapon you would need to find all kinds of little hilts for certain weapons.. certain fragments and rare drop-only materials. with rare attributes connected to each the possible outcome and possibilities for different weapons, effects and looks could be incredible

Jeremy Untouchable

Wow Stole my freetime

Join Date: Mar 2006

Arkansas

None

W/E

20 Jun 2006 at 23:29 - 10

i bought a guildy some 15k armor, he never stopped begging after that"you have a supermonk you can just farm more" "i dont have time to farm"grr i hated to have him begging, really messed up a good group of guildys when we kicked him out.lol
i now only give out materials at cost and loans of 8k or less. and i dont even have a set of 15k myself, so i am saving like a madman

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

20 Jun 2006 at 23:32 - 11

In Chapter 1 there was always a problem with new players (not new characters, players that never played the game) not being equipped well enough.

When I started out (as a ranger), I didn't have a max bow til Loin's Arch, and thats just because a friend I met in another game gave it to me. I had beat all the Kryta missions before I put any mods on the bow (that was max req9 white clean)

Don't yell collectors, because the collectors in chapter 1 before the desert give weapons and equipment thats WORSE core stated than what you get on the ground in the same areas (especially melee and bow weapon wise, now offhands and stuff come with 20/20 and such you wont find everyday on the ground)

Thats why I suggest so much that people get friends, or a guild, atleast a temp one, because you can ask these questions and such in that chat and not feel like a noob screaming it in all chat.

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

20 Jun 2006 at 23:34 - 12

This is a textbook example of equipment substitution for skill. It reminds me of people that "NEED" Droknar's armor just to get through the Tyrian missions...
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You don't need any equipment other than the collector's armor to go through the entire campaign. Hell, you don't even need a weapon or focus on a caster.

A warrior can get by with a clean white sword and a clean white shield gotten while playing if they were so inclined. I did it and I'm sure many other people have too.

If anything, the newer player will just think everything will be handed to them if they have the "best weapons and items". That's not a "great" thing.
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To say that it is hard to learn the dynamics of GW is kind of laughable. You don't need to know the calculations, just what things do. And everything is in the manual that comes with the game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Former Ruling

Don't yell collectors, because the collectors in chapter 1 before the desert give weapons and equipment thats WORSE core stated than what you get on the ground in the same areas (especially melee and bow weapon wise, now offhands and stuff come with 20/20 and such you wont find everyday on the ground)

You don't need max weapons for any area. Sure it increases your effectiveness, but you don't need anything other than collector armor/shields/weapons...

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

20 Jun 2006 at 23:52 - 13

The reason I don't help out people like that, is because most of the time, I think they're lying. If i know the person personally, then sure i will help them...and I'll help out 'friends' ive made in the game, but I'm sure that a lot of the time that 'noobs' ask for money or weapons, theyre really not who they say they are

The Real Roy Keane

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Dublin, Ireland

21 Jun 2006 at 00:02 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackest Rose

I
Everyone from the Teenagers who have tons of time (over ~25 hrs a week) - to a Mum/Dad holding down 1 (or even 2) jobs with a family (under ~6 hrs a week).

What about the teenagers who work ten hours a day?

eternal pho

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

The Licious Fame Farmers {TLG}

W/E

21 Jun 2006 at 00:28 - 15

Yeah I'll admit that it was kinda confusing for the first couple weeks. I finished the game pretty slow..=)

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

21 Jun 2006 at 00:42 - 16

I only truely go out of my way to help Guildies and the three friends I have that play GW. When it comes to cash if it's under 3k, I normally have no trouble just giving it to them, I have never had an issue with people wanting more, in fact they most times pester me to accept repayment. If it's over 3k then I loan the cash to them and so far I have always gotten it back in a timely manner. When it comes to stuff like basic materials, which I normally have unecessarily large amounts of, I will usually just give it to guildies or give them a steap discount depending on the quantity. Same goes with rare materials.

I don't really help newbies too much, for the same reason most people have stated here; begging. I will gladly answer any questions they may have and sometimes run them to a nearby town, but I almost never give them cash or items.

Mimi Miyagi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Port Orchard, WA

The Second Foundation: [TSF]

21 Jun 2006 at 02:17 - 17

Much like bums on the street - don't give them anything, as you're simply enabling their lifestyle and doing more harm than good.

Nivryx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Kenya

Mo/

21 Jun 2006 at 02:35 - 18

only thing that discouraged me was not knowing that you could open your map and just port to places instead of walking everywhere...dang pre-searing....slowest 2 hours of my life.....

but i have to say, thats the only thing thats ever stumped me, i find guildwars rather simple. seems like FPS games are more complex

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

21 Jun 2006 at 05:17 - 19

idk about a master/apprenticeship. I know too many people with big egos who would love to be seen as some know-it-all guru by others and may take the role too far.

I do however think you bring up some very good points. I think this is a good reminder that the next time you're about to throw some max purple/gold item to the merchant, maybe you should see if anyone wants it in Ascalon or Shing Jea Monastery (just don't go charging ridiculous prices or scamming people of course). You never know, you just might make someone's day.

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

21 Jun 2006 at 06:07 - 20

well i help n00bs alot, maby more then i should

but now when i think of it, when i started in the game nobody gave me any weapons, i got to droks by doing every single mission in deser, jungle, ascalon etc, and got my first max dmg bow in the desert

and look at me im ok

the game is more fun when you struggle for abit, and when you do you also learn the game better

Bale_Shadowscar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

New Dragons [NDR]

21 Jun 2006 at 08:17 - 21

Yeah, I don't understand why Vets laugh at new players when they ask questions. I remember when I first got to ToA, and everyone was talking about FoW, and so I asked what it is. Although a lot of people just said 'Lol nub' etc I did get one person who told me all about it, favor etc. If people ask questions in general chat I always try to answer them.

As for giving away wepaons to n00bs, I wouldn't do it if they just came into the agme and were aksing for max weapons, but I have a Vokur's Chakram at the momenmt for example, and It's a shame to merch it...

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

21 Jun 2006 at 08:36 - 22

The only people I help are people in my old guild. All of us were pretty tight, always helping eachother. Helping newbs out is fine, but sadly most of them are beggars. I remember in yaks some warrior needed armor/weps, but couldnt afford it, so I lent him 2k. He never begged. He just said thank you and never bothered me again. I gave someone a worthless purple item and they never shutup. Since theres so many beggars, I dont take a chance anymore.

fb2000

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

21 Jun 2006 at 08:46 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

A warrior can get by with a clean white sword and a clean white shield gotten while playing if they were so inclined. I did it and I'm sure many other people have too.

You don't need max weapons for any area. Sure it increases your effectiveness, but you don't need anything other than collector armor/shields/weapons...

I have a girl friend on my friendlist, met her on some mission and whisped with her a while after, and now we pretty much luuv each other

. thing is, she had beaten prophecies on 3 characters, actually plays pve quite good, and didnt even know upgrades exist.

psion

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Singapore

W/

21 Jun 2006 at 09:30 - 24

The general problem in new players are the sheer amount of beggars that are among them. People who can't be bothered to spend time to read up, so they can help themselves, are expecting people to help them for free?

If you cannot afford 15k armor, get collectors/1.5k armor. They are of the same AL. When i started out, it was all collectors for me. head to toe. weapons and shields. Yeah, it was not maxxed. But its enough for someone who started with 0 gold.

In Chapter 1, the collectors in the area you are in gives you armor/weapons that is just nice for that area, not too weak, not too strong. Desert onwards gives maxxed armor/weapons.

In Chapter 2, you have monastery credits to exchange weapons, high xp / gold rewards.

The thing that kills that monster is not your blade, nor your bow. It is the skills that you use.

The thing that saves your life is not the piece of metal on you, but the strategy/skills that you employ to gain every advantage you can have.

A warrior can have max armor, but he'll still die easily when he doesn't control his aggro. He can have a perfect blade, but he can't kill if he can't bring out the power of his skills. This is why GW is so fun. Having uber weapon/armor does not make you invincible, you actually have to use some brains.

However though, GW manuals lacks these information and it is hard to find it in-game, which makes it tough for new players. And most of them probably had bad experiences asking in local chat as they most probably got laughed at by other new players.

A mentor system will help, but how effective will it be? It will still be relying on the mentor instead of self, i feel. It would be the best to teach him how to learn, so he can learn the world for himself. Spoon-feeding information all the time isn't the way to go. In-game npcs should provide information that cannot be found on manuals, example, hints on locations of where certain collectors are for armor/weapons.

CorstedPirate

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Knights of the Void

Mo/

21 Jun 2006 at 10:02 - 25

I started playing in September. The game had been out long enough that I couldn't ask any questions in all chat. I quickly learned my lesson that doing so would only get me insulted in PMs and all chat. So, I figured out some of the basics myself. I used the internet and looked things up. No one gave me anything.

The only help I got was from a friend that I made after getting to Kryta. He actually answered my questions and would occasionally come help me while we chatted. When I got to the desert he was the only person I thought to ask "how do I get across that ledge, it's impassable and there's no way around" he responded by telling me how to use the teleporters.

He never gave me anything other than advice and 1 run. I told him I had made a monk and he said, ok lets get that monk to Yaks. So, since I had made it to Nolani he started there and killed everything on the way so that I could get exp. I just had to stay out of the way and keep a couple enchants on him. Shortly after that I made a mistake and went without my computer for 3 weeks! I haven't seen him online since then and it was way back in the middle of December. I worked so hard to get my monk really going so I could use it to help him. My monk became my main character even, and I still haven't been able to repay him for the help he gave me by just answering questions.

Moral of my little story is that my MIA friend helped me more by answering my questions than anything else. Giving new people items will just make them think the game is easy and they are a great player. I made a mistake with helping my bf too much, and now everytime we quest together I wish he was a better player. I feel ashamed that it is my own fault that I want to scream stupid n00b at my boy friend, lol. Of course I am working on correcting my error, but it takes so much more work than doing it right the first time.

Selket

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Grand Court of Selket/Sebelkeh

What If You Had An Outpost Named After You [slkt]

W/

21 Jun 2006 at 10:11 - 26

I remember when I used to farm things like hydras and griffons w/ a 55 monk and sometimes I'd give away free clean max damage items in Ascalon (back when max damage items still were like 500g-5k). People would litterally yell and scream at me whenever I didn't have an item for them. One person tradespammed me and insulted me repeatidly because I wasn't giving out runes and then called me a scammer. lole?

Zubie

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Ireland

W/Mo

21 Jun 2006 at 10:21 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane

What about the teenagers who work ten hours a day?

That still leaves 14 hours in the day doesnt it

BTW really sorry to hear about you retirement

Snowman

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wales, UK

Devils Scorpions

W/E

21 Jun 2006 at 10:37 - 28

There is a FINE balance!

I always remember this biblical proverb..

"You can feed a hungry man, but he will soon grow hungry again! If you teach that man how to fish, he will never grow hungry"

I dont have any problem with giving new players good items because often it does give them the needed motivation. But giving gold away.. yea, I never do that.

NoChance

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

21 Jun 2006 at 12:56 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawnmower

maybe create an master - apprentice system were an advanced player would be able to take a newbie under his wing to train in certain dangerous places. that would be fun...

When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master.

Vincaro

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/N

21 Jun 2006 at 14:09 - 30

Uh... I started a new guild yesterday with that intent. Sort of a training guild for new players Going to post info in a thread in the Guild Discussion section.

mqstout

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Pittsburgh

21 Jun 2006 at 15:12 - 31

"GW is a very hard game to understand and I think 80% of everyone who plays it never really takes the time to really learn it."

This is especially true in Factions, where you are given no time or opportunity to sit back and learn it. Your eyes are assaulted with uncountable skill icons and information quickly, without time to "get into" the game.

Viruzzz

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

21 Jun 2006 at 15:52 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawnmower

GW is a very hard game to understand and I think 80% of everyone who plays it never really takes the time to really learn it. its probably only a small fraction of people who actually use forums and learn about damage calculations and advanced builds.

wtf
those 3 letters, and what they stand for describes my feeling on the qouted text. it makes absolutely no sense.
first of all: Guildwars is a very cimple game, it is not hard to understand, and by understand i don't mean be able to look at statistics and predict the outcome of something.
more armor reduces damage
higher numbers make the red bars go down more than low numbers
loosing health is bad.
healing is good.
seriously, if you can patch the above together, you can play guild wars.

also, damage calculations?? who uses those? i don't have time to calculate what my attack is going to do in the 1.33 seconds it takes for me to swing, and i don't need to, cause i know from experience, as i have swung my weapon at enemies a few hundred thousand times before

and about the apprentice-master thing, you don't have to make an ingame system for people to help someone else, it is completely possible with whaats there now, if you need to motivate people to help, then i don't think its worth it.
the "i only help if i get something in return"-mentality is not something you want to bring forward, then people wont help because they want to

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

21 Jun 2006 at 15:53 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nivryx

i find guildwars rather simple. seems like FPS games are more complex

Wow, FPS don't even come close to the complexity of organized PvP in Guild Wars. Maybe your talking about PvE, but even the end missions and elite missions can be difficult and require team work and planning ahead. PFS do require some team work, yes, but basically you have a gun and shoot stuff. How is that complex?

I compare Guild Wars with playing a game of Chess. It requires strategy and preparation if you want to beat your opponent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viruzzz

first of all: Guildwars is a very cimple game, it is not hard to understand, and by understand i don't mean be able to look at statistics and predict the outcome of something.
more armor reduces damage
higher numbers make the red bars go down more than low numbers
loosing health is bad.
healing is good.
seriously, if you can patch the above together, you can play guild wars.

also, damage calculations?? who uses those? i don't have time to calculate what my attack is going to do in the 1.33 seconds it takes for me to swing, and i don't need to, cause i know from experience, as i have swung my weapon at enemies a few hundred thousand times before

And here is an example of separating the men from the boys. Damage calculations? I use those. I take the time to calculate what my attacks will do, and I've learned from experience that knowledge is power over others. Take the time to learn your build and the build of your opponents and you are a relentless force to recond with. Seriously your comment sounds like the mentality of a wamo. "lose health bad, heal good, I swing weapon at enemy, me kill stuff.

To the original poster.

I don't give hand outs unless I know the person. Even then I prefer to tell them or show them how to do something vs. just giving things away. There are givers and takers in life, the takers will always abuse the good intentions of the givers. If if makes you happy being a giver, thats fine, then GIVE! Just don't be a giver that expects something in return, because you will usually be disappointed.

Phrozenflame

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

21 Jun 2006 at 16:43 - 34

I didnt need any help, its all in the game, I just cared to read all the information thrown at me by NPCs and the Game.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

21 Jun 2006 at 16:57 - 35

Yesterday, something happened.

I went to Loin's Arch (coming over from Cantha), and I see someone say "Price Check on Bow Grip of Enchanting 20%" - so I PM him. He says back "THANKS! I'm been asking that all day"

Now thats pitiful...noone can slow down just to answer a simple question.

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

21 Jun 2006 at 17:00 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bale_Shadowscar

As for giving away wepaons to n00bs, I wouldn't do it if they just came into the agme and were aksing for max weapons, but I have a Vokur's Chakram at the momenmt for example, and It's a shame to merch it...

I'll be starting up a n00b mes soon does that count

mqstout

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Pittsburgh

21 Jun 2006 at 17:03 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Former Ruling

YI see someone say "Price Check on Bow Grip of Enchanting 20%" - so I PM him. He says back "THANKS! I'm been asking that all day"

Now thats pitiful...noone can slow down just to answer a simple question.

Doing a price check is the pitiful part. Just play the game. Pay/charge what you can afford and feel is right/whatever they'll pay.

Fyre Brand

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Shadowlight Order [SoR]

21 Jun 2006 at 17:14 - 38

@Former Ruling ~ Thanks for the great posts. You are one of the few people who've posted here that:
1. read the original post and responded to it.
2. had a sensible outlook.

Really some of the people who posted here have to be some of the most inconsiderate people and you didn't even read the OP. Lawnmower is talking about a friend who was discouraged because he needed some help.

@mgstout ~ i'll pay you 5k for that perfect fellblade. glad you didn't PC that first.

I just can't believe how the community greets and deals with new members coming to play. Yes there are scammers, but that doesn't have to rule the mindset of how we meet and greet new people. If I have a friend that joins the game I am going give them a few goodies to help them out. I am going to spend some time in early missions with a newbie character of my own so they can get the feel of the game and learn how to build skill sets of their own.

You know the only thing worse than a scammer is an experienced player with a snotty elitest condescending attitude towards new community members. Again I applaud Former Ruling on his insightful and genuine attitude. There is one person who hasn't forgotten where he's come from. Thanks Former! Many here could take a lesson in humanity from you.

Vincaro

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/N

21 Jun 2006 at 17:28 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bale_Shadowscar

Yeah, I don't understand why Vets laugh at new players when they ask questions. I remember when I first got to ToA, and everyone was talking about FoW, and so I asked what it is. Although a lot of people just said 'Lol nub' etc I did get one person who told me all about it, favor etc. If people ask questions in general chat I always try to answer them.

As for giving away wepaons to n00bs, I wouldn't do it if they just came into the agme and were aksing for max weapons, but I have a Vokur's Chakram at the momenmt for example, and It's a shame to merch it...

It's usually not the vets that laugh but the full of themselves slightly experienced... The vets are the ones that do answer.

I know there are some things I still don't know and I'm not a perfect player. But I play all classes but mesmer and have done just about every quest out there, most multiple times. I try to pass on what I know when I can.

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

21 Jun 2006 at 17:43 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fyre Brand

@Former Ruling ~ Thanks for the great posts. You are one of the few people who've posted here that:
1. read the original post and responded to it.
2. had a sensible outlook.

You know the only thing worse than a scammer is an experienced player with a snotty elitest condescending attitude towards new community members.

Giving stuff away for free and taking the time to answer a price check are two entirely different things. The price check that was given is an example of a person providing "INFORMATION" that actually helps the new person. Taking a newbie under your wing and helping him in mission and quests is perfectly OKAY!

I've played Guild Wars from the beginning, and I never begged for anything. My first time thru the game I basically used white/blue/purple items of what ever I could find on my own or could afford to trade with the gold that I earned on my own. The only thing worse than a scammer and a snotty elitist condescending person is a moocher that sucks off the good intentions of others.

I commented on the original post, and so did others in this thread. Not to say that there aren't good people out there worth helping, there certainly are. But 9 times out of 10 if the people are asking for free money and weapons, they aren't looking to be your friend, they're looking for a meal ticket. Now this new guy was in the same guild, and its a different sitiuation from the way the post reads, because the new guildy didn't directly ask for a hand out, it was given to him as a gift. There's a difference. I personally don't appreciate it when you imply that the other posters dont have a sensible outlook. Is that because our outlook differs from your own? That might lead me to believe that you are the one with the snotty elitest condescending attitude. But hey, I don't know you.