Hi all, there have recently been 2 schools of thought on the value of used mods. One school seems to think that mods don't add any value to an item; while the other school seems to think that mods do add some value to an item. Personally, I tend to agree with the latter. I think the first school is from the buyer's point of view; whereas the second one is from the seller's point of view. Personally I'm of the opinion that once mods have been used, they lose roughly half their value, provided of course that the base item is of decent quality, i.e. worth modding.
My thinking is that buyers will sometimes (not always) want to replace existing mods, hence they do not place any value on those existing mods. To the seller, however, who has paid for those mods, whether directly or indrectly, will want 100% of the mod prices figured into the item price.
So personally, I think the 50% midpoint/compromise is a good one, although it is certainly up for discussion. Any comments/input are certainly welcome.
Value of used mods
milias
big papi
as a buyer i dont want perfect mods(20/20,+30) as i usually just stick zealous/vampiric and a defense upgrade's on just about everything i own and therefore would never pay extra for them
in all cases with selling i dont think you ever increase the value of the item more the mods cost, so why actually bother adding them in the first place
just what i think
in all cases with selling i dont think you ever increase the value of the item more the mods cost, so why actually bother adding them in the first place
just what i think
Rain Knight
PCing is bout buyers and sellers...sellers decide the supply factor, and buyers decide the demand factor....so BOTH work mutually together
like i mention before, it is technically wrong to say that adding mods do not increases its value...THE FACT is for a seller, the amount you invest in the mods do not increase proportionately with the value of the weapon you're going to get...thus making it unprofitable...
as for a buyers point of view, on average, they prefer perfect mods as they buying a perfect one would cost less if they were to buy a clean one and mod it themselves..
i'll illustrate this concept...
Im interested in buying a req8 Brute 15%always -10ar... i value the item [email protected]
Bacon has a req8 15%always -10ar 20/20 +30hp..he wants them for 580k
Stu has a req8 15%always -10ar +20hp +1armor..he wants them for 550k
a 20/20sundering hilt cost 80k, a +30hp pommel cost 60k (market value)
if you were me...which would you buy...
if you were Stu would you mod the item perfect and sell it to me for 600k, which is the max i value the item at..
one thing to note is that, on average, buyers prefer modded items..
of course they're different buyers out there which prefer to mod them to their own liking for other purposes...these group of buyers are the ones who are not willing to pay extra for the mods..thus to this group, modding the weapon will not increase the value of the item..
like i mention before, it is technically wrong to say that adding mods do not increases its value...THE FACT is for a seller, the amount you invest in the mods do not increase proportionately with the value of the weapon you're going to get...thus making it unprofitable...
as for a buyers point of view, on average, they prefer perfect mods as they buying a perfect one would cost less if they were to buy a clean one and mod it themselves..
i'll illustrate this concept...
Im interested in buying a req8 Brute 15%always -10ar... i value the item [email protected]
Bacon has a req8 15%always -10ar 20/20 +30hp..he wants them for 580k
Stu has a req8 15%always -10ar +20hp +1armor..he wants them for 550k
a 20/20sundering hilt cost 80k, a +30hp pommel cost 60k (market value)
if you were me...which would you buy...
if you were Stu would you mod the item perfect and sell it to me for 600k, which is the max i value the item at..
one thing to note is that, on average, buyers prefer modded items..
of course they're different buyers out there which prefer to mod them to their own liking for other purposes...these group of buyers are the ones who are not willing to pay extra for the mods..thus to this group, modding the weapon will not increase the value of the item..
extra bacon
pfft i wouldn't sell you my req8 Brute 15%always -10ar 20/20 +30hp for 580k anyway 
Rain Knight
oh noes...you will! 
StueyG
I have sold plenty of items that were clean that sold for the same price as fully moded.... other times it seems easier to sell with mods.. as I've had items that I just had mods sittin around and added them and the buyer was like "just what I wanted!!!" and was about to get more outta the sell... depends, but most of the time it's not worth it unless high end items. I think it can be said for certain that if you get an item pc'd for below 100k you DON"T wanna put 100k worth of mods on it...
The Herbalizer
i have never and wil never mod a weapon to sell. even if it is the most expenisve weapon imaginable i wont. waste of my time tbh. i love it when idiots wisper you wanting to see xxxxxxx weapon but say they dont want it as it has not got a perfect fortitude upgrade, im like dude its a 500k weapon a perfect fortitude upgrade is a fraction of the weapons value.
extra bacon
a couple weeks ago, i had a guy ingame ask about a sword i was selling. the sword had 10% furious and +30hp on it cause i had modded it for self use. but as with everything i get my hands on that i don't customise, it gets resold eventually.
he argued that the 10% furious did not add any value to the sword and that i should lower my asking price. he then recommended i put a 20/20 sundering on it which would allow me to raise my asking price even more.
my response:
- my asking price was for the skin, req and inherent 15^50. the mods are a free bonus
- not everyone thinks that highly of sundering
- suck my b@||$
(ok ok, so i didn't really say suck my b@||$, but it made the story funnier)
he argued that the 10% furious did not add any value to the sword and that i should lower my asking price. he then recommended i put a 20/20 sundering on it which would allow me to raise my asking price even more.
my response:
- my asking price was for the skin, req and inherent 15^50. the mods are a free bonus
- not everyone thinks that highly of sundering
- suck my b@||$
(ok ok, so i didn't really say suck my b@||$, but it made the story funnier
Rain Knight
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StueyG
lol, yeah, I think I found the exact same guy ... as I had an item listed on guru auction page and he took time to e-mail me telling me my starting bid was too high since it didn't have 20/20 sundering and 30hp, and that I should be asking half of what I listed it at... I told him I know my prices, sundering sucks, and never e-mail me again.
Rain Knight
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lol, yeah, I think I found the exact same guy ... as I had an item listed on guru auction page and he took time to e-mail me telling me my starting bid was too high since it didn't have 20/20 sundering and 30hp, and that I should be asking half of what I listed it at... I told him I know my prices, sundering sucks, and never e-mail me again.
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extra bacon
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did you forget to say suck my b@||$ ?
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Poison Ivy
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- my asking price was for the skin, req and inherent 15^50. the mods are a free bonus
- not everyone thinks that highly of sundering - suck my b@||$ |
King Abadon
i dont know why players are so crazy for ugly skins: zodiac,celestial,crenelated.
In my opinion all these skins sucks.I've noticed people lice 20/20 sundering too,and my in my opinion it sucks too. i prefer to mod my weapons with fortitude and armor +5(bonus all the time).
I totally agree with extra(mods are a free bonus) but we do not make the prices and the market. Noobs make the market.I will never pay extra for a modded weapon.
The sticky made a top of more desirable skins with zodiac and celestial on top.
if you ask me,oni and fellblade should be first and zodiac just above falchion.
In my opinion all these skins sucks.I've noticed people lice 20/20 sundering too,and my in my opinion it sucks too. i prefer to mod my weapons with fortitude and armor +5(bonus all the time).
I totally agree with extra(mods are a free bonus) but we do not make the prices and the market. Noobs make the market.I will never pay extra for a modded weapon.
The sticky made a top of more desirable skins with zodiac and celestial on top.
if you ask me,oni and fellblade should be first and zodiac just above falchion.
Rain Knight
=) peoples taste are pretty subjective....so is yours..
and its those people who's the main driver of the market...=)
and its those people who's the main driver of the market...=)
King Abadon
yes,what i like you might dislike.But we influenced the market a little. Not me,papi did.Its all about the taste
If i were to start a thread with most desirable skins and i were to put katana on top of the list in 1 month this sword would be the most wanted .
If i were to start a thread with most desirable skins and i were to put katana on top of the list in 1 month this sword would be the most wanted .
Rain Knight
heeeeeyy, lets do that shall we
gladius, i love gladius!
gladius, i love gladius!
King Abadon
well,i wont to do it until the end of next week.Big exams on next thuesday and thursday next week. So buy 5 katanas for me too
milias
Thanks for the replies guys! Some very good points so far, but let's do try to keep it on topic, shall we? Anyway, just one quick clarification. I wasn't talking about modding an item with perfect mods just to sell it, I was referring to the situation where you somehow come into possession of a fully/perfectly-modded item. The buyer and seller could potentially disagree on the value the mods add to the item, and this thread aims to clear up some of that confusion that sometimes results.
Malice Black
never work..half the ppl if not more have no idea what an item or the mods on it are worth..
this little debate will never be settled..
this little debate will never be settled..
derrtyboy69
Adding mods adds value to the weapon, but it doesnt add up to what you spend on the mdos, thats why i never mod my weapons.
Yesterday, was sellin a 15>50 req 10 eternal bow, and some prick told me it was worth 10k because it didnt have sundering and 30 health. Dumbasses like this are what fuel the modding craze of the economy ATM.
Yesterday, was sellin a 15>50 req 10 eternal bow, and some prick told me it was worth 10k because it didnt have sundering and 30 health. Dumbasses like this are what fuel the modding craze of the economy ATM.
Malice Black
noobs..kinda rule the game now
milias
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this little debate will never be settled..
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*sigh*
Rain Knight
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noobs..kinda rule the game now
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Survival Rule nO.1
- play the way of the noobs.......
and you'll end up just fine
so derrtyboy, remember to mod it 20/20 +30hp and sell it for 450k-600k
trust me it works
The Herbalizer
clean white non max sword from ascalon + 30hp + 20/20 sunder = 100k at least
capitalist
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noobs..kinda rule the game now
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On topic: Nevaevaevaevaeva eva mod a weapon with the intent to raise the price. What acutally ends up happening is your decrease the size of your market, and thus decrease the number of bids, subsequently lowering the posibility of someone paying an outrageous price for your item.
Hemophiliac
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clean white non max sword from ascalon + 30hp + 20/20 sunder = 100k at least
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kidding
I prefer to buy an unmodded item as most the time the mods are not what I prefer and the seller tends to jack the price up due to 'leet' mods which I and many could care less about. For that reason I sell items as is and do not mod them myself.
Rain Knight
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clean white non max sword from ascalon + 30hp + 20/20 sunder = 100k at least
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shadowfell
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PCing is bout buyers and sellers...sellers decide the supply factor, and buyers decide the demand factor....so BOTH work mutually together
like i mention before, it is technically wrong to say that adding mods do not increases its value...THE FACT is for a seller, the amount you invest in the mods do not increase proportionately with the value of the weapon you're going to get...thus making it unprofitable... as for a buyers point of view, on average, they prefer perfect mods as they buying a perfect one would cost less if they were to buy a clean one and mod it themselves.. i'll illustrate this concept... Im interested in buying a req8 Brute 15%always -10ar... i value the item [email protected] Bacon has a req8 15%always -10ar 20/20 +30hp..he wants them for 580k Stu has a req8 15%always -10ar +20hp +1armor..he wants them for 550k a 20/20sundering hilt cost 80k, a +30hp pommel cost 60k (market value) if you were me...which would you buy... if you were Stu would you mod the item perfect and sell it to me for 600k, which is the max i value the item at.. one thing to note is that, on average, buyers prefer modded items.. of course they're different buyers out there which prefer to mod them to their own liking for other purposes...these group of buyers are the ones who are not willing to pay extra for the mods..thus to this group, modding the weapon will not increase the value of the item.. |
The general idea of the old guide before this discussion, was that it was accceptable to tack on half the value of a mod to a weapon when selling. But clearly, this wouldn't work for someone like me, who would already be paying less than the reported 'half-value' on my own.
P.S. Doesn't this belong in questions and answers?
milias
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P.S. Doesn't this belong in questions and answers?
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The Herbalizer
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I'm of the inclination that it belongs here since it pertains to price checking specifically. But if more people think it belongs elsewhere, I'll certainly look into it.
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i always sell mine under normal value as everyone seems to be spamming perf mods now. i remember when a +29 sword would sell for 30k, those were the days
StueyG
well as for not adding mods, I don't agree that it's best to never add them honestly, as for in the cases of hornbows... with built in sundering most people were wanting vamp on them, and it seriously helped me sell (added perfect vamp to a 14>50 mursaat, no one looked at before at like 60k, then after adding first offer for 100k was taken... and yes, I did go all over Tyria spamming it) This happened with another bow as it had the exact mods he wanted and got twice as much as they were selling for with 10k worth of mods... I know sometimes it's just finding that right player, but as Malice said it's a bunch of nubs (otherwise they wouldn't offer way more just cuz it has 30hp and 20/20 on it as happened to DB) ...
don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying to go throwing down 100k worth of mods on anything, but when ya spam something for awhile, then add a 5k mod and sell for considerably more than before.....
don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying to go throwing down 100k worth of mods on anything, but when ya spam something for awhile, then add a 5k mod and sell for considerably more than before.....
MasterPatricko
THE FIRST POINT
would you REALLY pay the same price for:
Clean Storm Bow 15^50%
and
Sundering Storm Bow of Fortitude
15^50% AP20% Health +30
the truth is, i would not buy/sell them for the same price. mods add value.
THE SECOND POINT
adding extra mods to a weapon is uneconomical. It adds value, but not the whole value of the mod.
for example of i added a fortitude mod to the clean storm bow, its value might only go up by like, i dunno, 15k, not the 30k value of the mod.
EXCEPTION: like StueyG mentioned above, if you add a mod to a weapon, you might be able to interest more nubs. If your item isnt selling, think about adding some mod you have lying about in your storage.
Summary
Mods add value to the weapon. However adding extra mods is not worth it.
As an semi-outsider i felt obligated to explain what I think to all you veterans.
would you REALLY pay the same price for:
Clean Storm Bow 15^50%
and
Sundering Storm Bow of Fortitude
15^50% AP20% Health +30
the truth is, i would not buy/sell them for the same price. mods add value.
THE SECOND POINT
adding extra mods to a weapon is uneconomical. It adds value, but not the whole value of the mod.
for example of i added a fortitude mod to the clean storm bow, its value might only go up by like, i dunno, 15k, not the 30k value of the mod.
EXCEPTION: like StueyG mentioned above, if you add a mod to a weapon, you might be able to interest more nubs. If your item isnt selling, think about adding some mod you have lying about in your storage.
Summary
Mods add value to the weapon. However adding extra mods is not worth it.
As an semi-outsider i felt obligated to explain what I think to all you veterans.
wilderness
Modding a desired weapon for sale is fine, as long as you're not adding a 20/20 or +30. A combination of anything under that won't come to more than 30k, (If you're paying sensible prices) you'll make your money back on those fine.
With 20/20 and +30s, I'd agree that they loose about 50% of their value once attached.
With 20/20 and +30s, I'd agree that they loose about 50% of their value once attached.
milias
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With 20/20 and +30s, I'd agree that they loose about 50% of their value once attached.
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wilderness
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LoL, those are the only ones I ever put on mine, well, those and Vampiric
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EDIT by milias: Flaming is not allowed here.
lishi
about +5 armor is better then +30 , that is a opinion , i know against armor affected damage the +5 is better. but simple in pvp there is enough armor ignoring damage to make the +30 usefull as the +5 armor.
the best will be the switch but im lazy guy
anyway on most of item i buy i replace the sundering mod with a better one...
the best will be the switch but im lazy guy
anyway on most of item i buy i replace the sundering mod with a better one...
wilderness
A common misconception is that +health isn't as valuable as it's gone in one hit whereas a armor bonus stays with you. People don't realise the +health is added to the bottom of your health, not the top. I know this seems obvious, but you wouldn't believe how many people have told me the +health mod I'm selling is worthless because it's taken in one hit.
That final +health could be the only thing between a last second heal and eating dirt. But then of course, a +armor mod could have save you more than that
Also, +health is better against degens.
Idk, there are merits for both.
That final +health could be the only thing between a last second heal and eating dirt. But then of course, a +armor mod could have save you more than that
Also, +health is better against degens.
Idk, there are merits for both.
milias
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What about zealous, furious?? What about function over form?
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There's more to life than waving your d**k in the air, apparently.
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wilderness
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Yes, I do use those also. But I'm a collector, so most of my weapons have Sundering/Fortitude because I don't ever plan on using them, I only collect them. The ones I actually use have Zealous/Vampirice/Defense or whatever on them.
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Heh, I'm just the same, I put 20/20 and +30 on the swords I collect just because it looks badass ;p