Buddhism vs Christianity in GW
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Aerian_Skybane
Agreed, although I am not an advocate of censureship of stupid things like that (sorry if I offend anyone), I believe there should be absolutely no preferential treatment of one religion over another. Either allow all of them or allow none of them. Ideally I wish they were all allowed because where does the line stop? Someone not being able to name their cat Joseph because hes a name in the bible, the father of Jesus?
If respect is the issue, then all religions deserve it. Especially for Pastafarianism
If respect is the issue, then all religions deserve it. Especially for Pastafarianism
.neuronster.
Freedom of speech, Anet! Get with it. -_-
Dauntless
As a Christian myself I honestly don't find naming a pet Jesus Christ all that offensive at all. Because for me, if it's not something I'm doing, I simply won't worry about it as that sort of thing goes on all the time. It really wouldn't bother me if that name were allowed on a pet. Now I do think that it needs to be equal for everyone. As a Christian I would love to see as many people as possible 'saved' as it were, of course but I am not gonna hastle you for what you believe in. I also think that there should be a common respect amongst all believers in any religion. Anet needs to ban a few more names such as the budhist ones the OP mentioned. I also found that a pet can be named Muhammad, now I know that most if not all Muslims would take offence to that and I think that we should respect them and their beliefs.
Shepherd Book said it best in Serenity when he said: "I don't care what you believe in, just believe in it."
I agree with that, I personally have no qualms with what one believes in and I think we should respect them for whatever they believe whether it be Christianity, Budhism, Islam, Scientology, or whatever. It is up to the individual to believe what they want and I think we should respect their beliefs.
Now I am also not a big fan of Censorship as it tends to become rather subjective and doesn't tend to be equal. So I think that Anet should either catalog all the religious names that could be offensive and ban them, or just not censor at all, either way something needs to be changed.
Shepherd Book said it best in Serenity when he said: "I don't care what you believe in, just believe in it."
I agree with that, I personally have no qualms with what one believes in and I think we should respect them for whatever they believe whether it be Christianity, Budhism, Islam, Scientology, or whatever. It is up to the individual to believe what they want and I think we should respect their beliefs.
Now I am also not a big fan of Censorship as it tends to become rather subjective and doesn't tend to be equal. So I think that Anet should either catalog all the religious names that could be offensive and ban them, or just not censor at all, either way something needs to be changed.
ender6
With the self righteous / evagenlistic attitude that a good percentage of Christians aspire to, ANet wisely made certain that such names as Jesus Christ could not be used. Who needs an unnecessary backlash from a community after all?
Meanwhile they realized the passive ways of the Buddhists would allow for little to no turmoil if their sacred names were used in a game context.
Of course there are loopholes for getting Jesus Christ in to the game. I have a character names Tsirch Susej -- and i always play while looking at my monitor via a mirror. Does cause a degree of akwardness when my party goes one way and I tend to go the other.
Meanwhile they realized the passive ways of the Buddhists would allow for little to no turmoil if their sacred names were used in a game context.
Of course there are loopholes for getting Jesus Christ in to the game. I have a character names Tsirch Susej -- and i always play while looking at my monitor via a mirror. Does cause a degree of akwardness when my party goes one way and I tend to go the other.
Astraea Zopyros
I agree with the above posts wholeheartedly, but I will say that I'm not so sure it was a matter of respect for Christianity that caused Anet to restrict the use of "Jesus Christ" as a pet name.
From my observations, it may very well have been equally founded by a fear of anti-religious (those people out there that just seem to despise religion, you know what I'm talking about) lawsuits. In this day and age, it's possible to sue for almost anything, and I'm sure Anet at one point visualized a scenario with a little kid happening to meet someone with a pet named, "Jesus Christ" and an overzealous parent catching wind and suing. I know it sounds a little far-fetched, but I wouldn't never thought it possible to win a lawsuit against McDonalds for making someone obese, either.
Myself, I could care less what people name their pets. The name they choose is a direct reflection of their character and life. I respect that. However, you are right, if they are going to restrict it in one case, they should restrict it in the others, as well, or drop the restriction altogether.
Just my 2 cents!
From my observations, it may very well have been equally founded by a fear of anti-religious (those people out there that just seem to despise religion, you know what I'm talking about) lawsuits. In this day and age, it's possible to sue for almost anything, and I'm sure Anet at one point visualized a scenario with a little kid happening to meet someone with a pet named, "Jesus Christ" and an overzealous parent catching wind and suing. I know it sounds a little far-fetched, but I wouldn't never thought it possible to win a lawsuit against McDonalds for making someone obese, either.
Myself, I could care less what people name their pets. The name they choose is a direct reflection of their character and life. I respect that. However, you are right, if they are going to restrict it in one case, they should restrict it in the others, as well, or drop the restriction altogether.
Just my 2 cents!
Goats17
I am a Christian alsp, and I don't find anything wrong with naming a pet or character "Jesus Christ" or "Mother Mary" Insulting at all. The only thing is when the person insults my religion by being a total asshole and disrespectin the name of Christ. I don't care if it's just a name to you, or if it isn't your religion, but don't make fun of it. Christian never make fun of other religion, that's not the way we are brought up. We are told our entire lives to respect and honour other cultures and people. We are taught to help ramdom peole on the street, and to be kind to those who hate us. People may not be Christian or Catholic, but don't make fun of our religion and beliefs, we almost never do it to you.
/endrant
/endrant
Jetdoc
I have a feeling this thread will likely degrade into some form of a flame war.
Honestly, does anyone give a hoot about this? Is anyone personally offended by censoring Jesus Christ as a name? Or is this just a "principal of it all" type argument.
It seems like A-Net would have MUCH more important things to do than to go through a massive religious research effort to satsify this request.
/notsigned
Honestly, does anyone give a hoot about this? Is anyone personally offended by censoring Jesus Christ as a name? Or is this just a "principal of it all" type argument.
It seems like A-Net would have MUCH more important things to do than to go through a massive religious research effort to satsify this request.
/notsigned
Astraea Zopyros
In my opinion, it's more of a "What kind of world we live in" discussion than a flame war. It's seeing how others feel on the topic.
Yanman.be
/namepet Figaro doesn't work either...luckily they thought of my religion then!
Former Ruling
Religious discussions are never too healthy in this kind of forum setting, because theres never a discussion, its just different people pushing their views on each other- which before long is likely to cause some quoting, then some feelings to get hurt.
Fyre Brand
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Religious discussions are never too healthy in this kind of forum setting, because theres never a discussion, its just different people pushing their views on each other- which before long is likely to cause some quoting, then some feelings to get hurt.
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@OP ~ ANet makes decisions on what they allow and don't. Live with it. No naming things Jesus. No Pandas as pets.... get it? Would I like to have a Panda pet? yes. Would I like to name him Jesus. maybe (not likely). Will I just have to deal with the fact that some things are better left alone? YES.
Robin_Anadri
I don't know what you people are going on about, my pet's a panda named Jesus Mohammed.
Malice Black
i have to agree
im not religious 1 bit but if 1 name is banned then all should be banned
im not religious 1 bit but if 1 name is banned then all should be banned
Sofonisba
Maybe "Jesus Christ" is not allowable, because it is also used as a swear? As far as I've seen, at least in this game, no one yells "Buddha!" in vain, out of frustration at others' stupidity/noobacity/jerkiness. So maybe it made the filter for a different reason.
(Not a religious person myself.)
(Not a religious person myself.)
Astraea Zopyros
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Maybe "Jesus Christ" is not allowable, because it is also used as a swear? As far as I've seen, at least in this game, no one yells "Buddha!" in vain, out of frustration at others' stupidity/noobacity/jerkiness. So maybe it made the filter for a different reason.
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I'd like to think Anet wasn't trying to discriminate against anyone or censor anyone.
lyra_song
Anet's blacklisted word list is weird.
You know you cant have "Lick" in your name? o.O
Its just Anet being cautious so they dont get sued or what not. Christianity pretty much controls the US government anyway and while im not trying to get into a political debate, i will say that if i wanted to stay in business, id try not to piss them off too much.
You know you cant have "Lick" in your name? o.O
Its just Anet being cautious so they dont get sued or what not. Christianity pretty much controls the US government anyway and while im not trying to get into a political debate, i will say that if i wanted to stay in business, id try not to piss them off too much.
Rikimaru
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Originally Posted by Astraea Zopyros
I agree with the above posts wholeheartedly, but I will say that I'm not so sure it was a matter of respect for Christianity that caused Anet to restrict the use of "Jesus Christ" as a pet name.
From my observations, it may very well have been equally founded by a fear of anti-religious (those people out there that just seem to despise religion, you know what I'm talking about) lawsuits. In this day and age, it's possible to sue for almost anything, and I'm sure Anet at one point visualized a scenario with a little kid happening to meet someone with a pet named, "Jesus Christ" and an overzealous parent catching wind and suing. I know it sounds a little far-fetched, but I wouldn't never thought it possible to win a lawsuit against McDonalds for making someone obese, either. Myself, I could care less what people name their pets. The name they choose is a direct reflection of their character and life. I respect that. However, you are right, if they are going to restrict it in one case, they should restrict it in the others, as well, or drop the restriction altogether. Just my 2 cents! |
Aerian_Skybane
The lawsuit thing is coming more to mind now that I see more agruments, doesnt make me happier, but I see where Anet might be going. Other than that though, im surprised to find a somewhat original religious theme in the game. I havent found much influence in the game that has direct application the "major" religions. I still hold to my philosophy of ban all or none though.
And yelling Buddha? I follow buddhist teaching to a point, but that would be hilarious to start catching on in Guild Wars lingo. Im def going to do that.
ex. "WTF, is that sin trying to tank AGAIN? BUDDHA!"
"ah BUDDHA, that damn touch ranger killed me AGAIN"
"BUDDHA, i lost Northern Wall AGAIN!"
And yelling Buddha? I follow buddhist teaching to a point, but that would be hilarious to start catching on in Guild Wars lingo. Im def going to do that.
ex. "WTF, is that sin trying to tank AGAIN? BUDDHA!"
"ah BUDDHA, that damn touch ranger killed me AGAIN"
"BUDDHA, i lost Northern Wall AGAIN!"
Rikimaru
Well, Christianity has far more crazed fanatics than most other religions. That's what happens when (please don't take offense to this) you have a religion based entirely on fear to get members.
So, they probably didn't care one way or the other about people doing this, except that Christians would be very likely to act against them in some horrible, possibly even violent way if they allowed it.
So, they probably didn't care one way or the other about people doing this, except that Christians would be very likely to act against them in some horrible, possibly even violent way if they allowed it.
wsmcasey
Just like not having a Panda for a pet, Anet is covering their butts when it comes to words that may offend others. But yes, it should be an all or none deal.
I suppose I would have my characters removed or renamed if that were the case, since all of my characters are named after Roman, Greek, and Chinese gods.
I suppose I would have my characters removed or renamed if that were the case, since all of my characters are named after Roman, Greek, and Chinese gods.
Goats17
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That is really stupid. Did you know that the creators of City of Heroes were sued by Marvel comics because players were creating characters like The Incredible Hulk and Wolverine?
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Yanman.be
It's because you cannot avenge Jesus, but you can avenge Bhudda, he's not a deity right?
A.Net did NOT make City of Heroes. NCsoft is the publisher though
A.Net did NOT make City of Heroes. NCsoft is the publisher though
MisterB
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Originally Posted by Tidus the one
Except for the first 8 replies, the rest miss the main point of this thread. I'm just wondering why Anet wants to play around with the Bill of Rights. They were passed to create equality among beings and religions. I'm not offended at all, but i'm just confused of why Anet do not allow Jesus Christ as a pet name but they allow Siddharta. As mentioned above by Astraea Zopyros "it may very well have been equally founded by a fear of anti-religious." I agree with Astrae. But why not just ban all of the religious names? why leave some out? Are the amendments were made so that we can follow? (Freedom of religion and Freedom of Speech) NOTE: I RESPECT ALL RELIGIONS. But please fix this Anet. It seems unfair, my friends had made many complaints but they did not want to speak up. I also know that America is the continent dominates with Christianity, but think of other people please Anet.
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Put simply, the Constitution is a document by the people to restrict the powers of their government, and these restrictions are not relevant in the private sector, beyond guaranteeing a free democratic system in all states. Local and state statutes apply. You don't have freedom of speech, association, or the right to bear arms on someone else's property, that is called tresspassing, and the owner of said property is entirely within his rights to remove you. If you sign a non-dislosure agreement, you don't have the "right" to speak of the contents, or you can be sued. Anet owns their network, we are customers, and their rules are their business. Anyway, this thread is likely to get locked, I have no further comment.
Don Zardeone
^He's right.
You're also forgetting that GW isn't a strictly USA-based game.
If some, let's say.. Chinese or Korean or some place I don't really know the laws from, tell ANet to put in a timer that tells people how long they have been playing.. Then ANet has to put in that timer or face being kicked out of the country.
If they don't like the fact that people can name their Warthog Jesus Christ, then they can tell ANet to disable that posibility.
Millions of people were burning Danish flags on the streets because some guy made a cartoon in which you see Mohammed with a bomb in his turban.
http://jesuschristowned.ytmnd.com/
It's only a few years ago that governements wolrldwide figured out that the Internet is a big and powerful thing. Powerful enough to be considered a threat. Powerful enough to be locked down, monitored and given rules.
Look at all the Net Neutrality stuff that is going on lately.
But this is slightly off topic...
You're also forgetting that GW isn't a strictly USA-based game.
If some, let's say.. Chinese or Korean or some place I don't really know the laws from, tell ANet to put in a timer that tells people how long they have been playing.. Then ANet has to put in that timer or face being kicked out of the country.
If they don't like the fact that people can name their Warthog Jesus Christ, then they can tell ANet to disable that posibility.
Millions of people were burning Danish flags on the streets because some guy made a cartoon in which you see Mohammed with a bomb in his turban.
http://jesuschristowned.ytmnd.com/
It's only a few years ago that governements wolrldwide figured out that the Internet is a big and powerful thing. Powerful enough to be considered a threat. Powerful enough to be locked down, monitored and given rules.
Look at all the Net Neutrality stuff that is going on lately.
But this is slightly off topic...
God Apprentice
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Anet's blacklisted word list is weird
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Former Ruling
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Close thread. I think this is going to far, lol. I dont' care anymore.
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You pitted two major religions together in a debate...