PC: Good A. Gothic Dual Axe and B. Gothic Defender

A. i found this Gothic Dual Axe in Melandrus Hope from a chest. i had been using it until 12 hours from now (i get a better one for my build from Guru Auctions). so now i am looking to sell. the stats are:
Max Damage (req 10)
14^50,
5 armor
cripple +33.
how much should i sell for?
EDIT: sold for 40k. feel free to tell me if i made a good trade on my part or not though.

B. i was wondering how much this Gothic Defender is worth. i have NEVER seen it outside of collectors so it must be really valuable and rare. it isnt perfect though... the stats are:
16 armor (req 10 tactics)
+43 Health in stance
-2 damage in stance
i am planning on keeping this until i find a perfect one. how much would a perfect version of this be worth by the way? (+45 instead of 43)

A good PC would definately be appreciated for both of these.

bump!

sold two 14>50 duals for 80k and 100k.. lower req tho...

shield right now... 75k+ imo

perfect would be 200-300k+

ok ty