2 Million Purchasers of Factions? Where are they then?

I keep pointing this out, but everyone seems to ignore it. Even pointing it out to the mods has been futile.

Factions didn't sell 2 million copies. The press release says "Guild Wars FRANCHISE" sold 2 million, that includes BOTH factions AND prophesies.

The GWG news post on the front page is WRONG.

And you want to know where veryone is?

A few months ago, one of the ANet developers (I believe it was Jeff Strain) was interviewed in an online article, and the 1 million sales # was brought up (for prophesies).

Jeff stated that the 1 million figure was "old news" and that they had "blown past" that number quite some time ago.

Thus, while no solid sales #s have been discussed (besides the 1 million benchmark) for prophesies, It's significantly higher than 1 million.

So, no matter what, if the entire franchise (chapter 1 AND 2) has sold 2 million copies, Factions has sold LESS than prophesies. How much less? No one really knows, but even a conservative estimate of 1.2 million prophesies sales, that means that Factions sold 800K, fully 1/3rd LESS than chapter 1.

I really wish GWG would FIX their news page, it's misleading - well, no, it's flat out wrong.

Yes, the 2 million unit sales are Prophecies and Factions combined. My estimation is 1.5M for P and 500k for F. But keep in mind that Factions has only come out for 2 months. It took Prophecies about 4.5 months to reach 1 million mark (from release late April to early September iirc).

In one of the 100 districts of the town with a holiday event happening.

1 thing is i really cant get into factions like prophics i find myself board in parts merly waiting for a group also id like to revue the whole look of memsers although guildwars has the best grpahics ive ever seen for an online game wiht no monthly fees, the design team must of got bored when desiging the male memsers armour it looks poo poo !!!!

i find it ludacrous how people say factions was sucessful i hear so many people talk about how unsucessful it is

to think about it. they are selling to asain counties soo the sales are bad!

canada
usa
eourpe
china etc......

people bitch but sales are still in the top 10 so how is that unsuccessful?

asians are the biggest purchasers of MMO's..not selling to asains would have been a disaster, GW would have flopped

Remeber that big bot banning that happend.. oh a week or so before the anounced 2 million mark?


Co-incidence? I think not.


All those botters just bought another copy of guildwars.

Go team bot!

as already stated the mentioning of bots is getting olddd..yes everyone knows they exsist

not every asian is a bot..i expect euro/yanks use them aswell

anyways my last post on this...seems the mods dont like my posts (shame) must be heading towards record amount of removed posts now..along with this 1 no doubt

anyways back on topic...this game will turn into the rocky films No1 good No2 average No3 poor No4 slit ya wrists

sells will be good i have no doubt but the actual content...nah

Top 10 in this part of the year doesn't mean anything. Trophy Deer Hunter and Barbie Fashion Designer can make top 10 this month.

As I've mentioned in another thread - 500K-800K in sales isn't a failure, it actually very good. But compared to Chapter 1, it's a disturbing trend.

It sold good enough to get a green light for chapter 3, who knows what will happen of sales continue to shrink chapter to chapter?

um.... thanks for showing a picture of my warior leveling
maybe alot of them are in places that are just getting guild wars servers...
that was in quarry, and the past lack of faction given there has left a lasting effect of people being addicted to aspenwood. though I would think you would only go up against people of the same country, I think I once went against a group from another country once in quarry.

If i was ncsoft I would sit down with anet and other titles they have and have real good chat!

this coming chapter 3 better be good. there now more pressure for anet to do better! the only way is to make better rpg, that is If they have not already lost their player base.

They haven't lost the majority of thier player base but they need to listen to them more.I don't think there 2 mil. playing GW atm.

Did you ever think that Chapter1 sold a lot more than Chapter2 because it's had a lot more time to make those sales? I'm not saying that's the only reason but come on...you're using an unfair comparision. Wait until Factions is a year old.

First NC-Soft is an Asian company (Korean) and if you look at the population figuers they kind of speak for them selfs..............


China population 1.3 BILLION
US + Canada 0.32 Billion
EU 0.46 Billion

Do you blaim them for going after the bussines in china? lol double the market in 1 country.

No I am saying they are selling to all these countries and the sales are bad! they should have made more!

chap1>factions

why? because the sequel never beats the original..someone would have bought chap1 thought it was shit and binned it

with factions ppl will buy it and either bin it or complete then buy chap1

makes sense i hope..

A fairly substantial portion of those 1.3 billion people are people who are relativley poor, working as farmers. Certainly not people with computers.

asians also have the fastest BB connection going

they have the largest BB network and they are encouraged to have internet connection by their own goverment...asia dominance of MMO's is just starting

it would not matter anet has been out for a year. If they came out with a new game. there should be enough people who would want to buy the game. In the rpg coummunity gw has a bad rep for not being a rpg.

It doesnt matter that "ANET has been out for a year" It still takes TIME for sales to build up...and Chapter1 has had over a year to make those sales while Factions has only been out for 2 months.

How the hell do you people expect Factions to have the same sales figures as Chapter1?!?!

Guildwars lacks huge amounts of longevity. My guild of about 50 players all stopped playing after 4-6 months after Guildwars was released (about 5 people have returned to the game for Factions).

The reason is because Guildwars isn't rewarding at all. You can play hundreds of hours in Guildwars, get around 150k gold. Then spend it all on some armor that looks different but acts the same as your original armor. All that time you spent has given you not the competitive edge, but a cosmetic edge - which in the game life AND real life is completely useless. Other than make yourself feel better, you aren't better than the next 1.5k armor guy, and in a PvP setting, you still get killed by the next 1.5k armor person.

You could spend another 100k buying an incredibly good weapon, say Perfect Chaos Axe with Sundering + 30HP. Well, the perfect sundering and req 7 axe would probably make your character only slightly better than the next warrior with his joe good shoes "Cleaver". You won't be hugely better than someone else, just a small bit. You could do say 50 damage and they could do say 35 damage - which is a large amount, but in the end, doesn't really matter. Compared to RPGs like WoW, where the difference is somewhere between 200 and 2000, getting better weapons isn't really all that satisfying in Guildwars.

Another is the level 20 cap, you play to level 20, and that's it. You don't feel accomplished. Why would you? EVeryone else is level 20. It's like playing Diablo and having everyone at level 99. After a year, you're not going to come back to Guildwars and marvel at your character for his high level accomplishment because EVERYONE is at your level.

Prices are way over done. 500k for a special weapon? 2mil for fissure armor? These prices are like Germany's inflation pirior to World War 2 (where a loaf of bread cost 2million marks). Who has the money for 500k? I've been playing this game since it was released, and the sum total I've gotten is around 200k (that's if I didn't spend any of it, I now have around 100g left ) Dyes that make your armor some silly color costs up to 10k! Just to make your armor look black, it'll cost your bank savings.

You can't compete with farmers. Guys who have 900k in their banks and 250 ectos really need to get a life. No amount of civilized playing will result in such a huge amount of in game money. Well, at least this game. You have to do the same boring thing over and over and over to get that item which is only SLIGHTLY better than the normal version, but since it LOOKS different, it costs 100k. Wow, that just blows the mind.

So, 2 million copies SOLD. How many are still playing? I would doubt if there are more than 200,000 players on at once.

Wankey, I love how you complain about cosmetic armor being useless then complain about how the level cap is only level 20. Having a high number of levels is also pretty much cosmetic and useless.

And while I agree with you that some prices of some items are ridiculously high, I find it funny once again that you complain about the high prices yet you want a high level cap. Both promote grind.

I don't disagree with everything you've said, but it really does sound like people like you are playing the wrong game. It's really really ridiculous at this point to be complaining about the level 20 cap. Shouldnt you have known about it when you bought the game?

That is true but schools and goverment institutions have them, plus major city's like Peking and Shanghai and Macao and Hong Kong is densly populated with computers. Plus 50-60% of all hacking attempts are now being traced to china mainland, the computer industry is exploding in an new economy like chinas. But you can be ashord that most students, college and above have computer access one way or another.(sweatshops).

QFT, and not forgetting the majority of nerfs are to keep the crap whinging PvP players with no counters happy, and makes the PvE aspect of the game totally crap because of them.

Perhaps they should nerf some of the monsters in PvE a little bit to take into account the crap/gimped skills us PvE players have to put up with from PvP "balance"

I lol'd.

Wow. You seriously think that PVE in GW is that hard? Wow....

You're making PVE players (including me) look like retards...

Also funny is how you're saying people are "whinging" when you're crying about how hard PVE is. LOL.

All the people seem to be doing AB's and faction farming

Strange considering such issues don't exist when there were less than one million Guild Wars players.. oh wait, I sidetracked, what was your point again?

I have not logged in for the past 3 weeks and I don't feel like I missed a thing.

Somehow I have a feeling that unless I see more interesting PvE content like PvE-only weapons for a change, perhaps I won't even buy C3.

Oh oh oh.. yes indeed.

We as paying customers are very much humbled. Yes, we bought the wrong product. Perhaps it is time we vote with our wallets and make Anet realise they are in the wrong business, that'll teach them!

Too bad they are just another arm of a big publisher, otherwise that's really hurt them. As it is NCSoft will probably wind up operations a few chapters down the road and no one will be none the wiser.

I didn't read all the posts, so I apologise if someone already said this; Many people I know in game refuse to even touch the Jade/Aspen missions till they are able to pre-group in them. Many players don't like PuGs as it is, and making a mission that just throws players together completely destroys the personal enjoyment of the game. So, I would imagine that there are many others that feel the same way and as such, don't bother with those missions. Which I would guess there is always a lack of players to play those.

I think the 2 million is also misleading in numbers. World wide, 2 million copies with many peolpe buying multiple accounts for storage since we have no storage for anything (and now we get to collect orbs for the dragon event... where do we keep them?); and I would guess that Anet/NCsoft would be counting each purchase seperate instead of counting actual accounts (one player having both chapters would count for 2 rather than 1 in that 2 million statement).

I'm only trying to say there are no achievements in this game. You can't feel satisfied with how high level your character is after playing so long. Trying to get better armor costs an arm and a leg. Trying to get a better weapon, well, costs a soul usually. The whole point of trying to better yourself is incredibly hard to do and require ALOT of grinding. Leveling doesn't require grinding. It comes natural to the gameplay. If you think that grinding is bad, then you shouldn't be playing RPGs. Every RPG has its grind, GUildwars just has its grind at the wrong places for all the wrong reasons.

You don't think this game is a grind? How do you get 150k for the 15k armors? How do you get 15,000 fame? How do you get 10,000 faction? By playing 5 minutes a day? Heck one of the major quests require you to get 10,000 faction.

Sure you could run around with a default axe, default 1.5k armor but where's the fun? What's the point of a ROLE PLAYING GAME if all you can do is fight other people over and over and over and over, without making yourself better? Everyone is the same, we all ahve the same armor, same amount of damage. You're trying to say it's skill that makes us better? This isn't counter strike, it isn't even close to the competitiveness of such games. It's a role playing game with a edge in competition.

Yet they make the competition incredibly boring after a while. You realize that all there is is just fighting this, fighting that. Alliance battles get wholesomely dull after so many of the same battles in the same places wihtout any change. Random Arenas are probably the only interesting places because you DON'T know what's going to happen. There's no real story to be excited about, there's no real reward to expect, just plain old competition without end.

I'm just trying to say that, with 2 million copies sold, a lot of people have stopped playing. Why? Because there's nothing to come back to. Wow, a whole new world of the SAME quest and missions (kill this, move there, talk to them)! Armors which now costs huge amounts of money only to do the SAME thing as my original armor. Weapons that look cooler, but do the SAME amount of damage with the SAME attributes. A story line that is mediocre at best with horrendous voice acting. Alliance battles that are just 12 on 12 PvP with Battlefield 1942 gameplay put in them. (Alliance battles are pretty much waste of time now because no matter what YOU do, you can't control the outcome, but that's another thread in itself).

I only continue to play because of my guild and how close we are, otherwise, I would've quit a long time ago.

how can you count a grind level number as achievement? you would do better to put a big green clock emote you could turn on to prove how long you have played and how superior you are.

I think that Guild Wars is based on the very simple assumption that SKILL, and not GRIND, will define who is truly "experienced" in this game.

And no, that skill does not just apply to PvP, it works for PvE as well.

I've said this many times...until you have soloed something without a 55 HP build and not taking henchmen, I can't see how you believe you've "achieved" anything in PvE. Level 420? That says nothing to me, especially if you're in WoW.

Level 20 but can solo the Iron Mines of Moladune mission? I'm impressed.

The only problem with that (I guess), is that you don't get that "flasy title" that you may be defining as "achievement". Fancy armors and weapons don't do that for me either, but to some it IS the end-all-be-all. Maybe it's tangible reward versus intangible satisifaction...to each his own, I guess.

It still would not matter factions is viewed as cery poorly in the eyes of rpg players. Word of mouth alone is enough for some pleyers not to buy the game. I don't think factions will even come close to the first chapter.

You know, i really think you should stop talking for "RPG players". YOU DO NOT REPRESENT US. Stop acting like the high and mighty expert. Your opinion is your opinion not mine and im sick of your posts like youre the authority on all RPG players so please stop it.

Factions will do well because its got good franchise recognition thanks to the original GW, a good fanbase and despite what naysayers may say its a good solid game.

I know what goes on in the rpg comunity as hole. there is other fourms that I go where rpg players talk about rpg games.

I have comes you before i would call you a rpg player from my point of view!

Express your opinion. Stop acting like youre an authority. Stop acting like you are speaking for other people. I have no problems with your opinion, just how you present yourself. Its really really annoying.

And don't tell me I'm not an RPG player, because your opinion is mooted by the fact that you dont know me. -.-

If you wanna keep arguing PM me.

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On Topic: Where are they? They all log off when you sign on :P Its a conspiracy i say!

I have seen alot of your debates they don't suporrt rpg in any way. I also write about what I see and facts!

I have under my belt, professional experience with rpg's

The leeching has gotten bad in FT Aspenwood, me, being kurzick, was angry at it tbh, it takes away time that can be used to actually play with a team, and i have even seen someone from iB doing it, yes the Real iB with the silver trim around the cape too.

lost all respect from that second on...