Henchmen AI
quanzong
If I'm a monk, is it useless to have henchmen? Since henchmen only attack the called target, or when a party member gets attacked. I have been running around with them for awhile and found out they run when you run if you face the direction your running, and they attack when you either call or get hurt, if theres a big group and you call a target and he dies, they think there done and act like no enemies in area until someone gets attacked. I think there usefull for any attacker class, but a monk? They dont know when to attack or if they should attack lol. Time they attack I'm down to 50% health.
DeanBB
If you want them to attack and not you then do ctrl+shift+space to announce a target without actually attacking.
Henchies are fine with a monk.
Henchies are fine with a monk.
quanzong
So if I hit CTRL+SHIFT+SPACE they will attack on there own if they see things? I wonder if there smart enough so that they call targets in there on chips, so that everyone in the groups attacks 1 guy without a human actually calling a target.
Also, has anyone notice if your getting a lot damage taken and you try to run it off, the healers start to run too, and when they run they dont heal you? This pisses me off because I'm running around them waiting for a heal, I'm the only one taking damage, and they run around too, you dont need to stand 1 ft away to cast orison healing lol.
Also, has anyone notice if your getting a lot damage taken and you try to run it off, the healers start to run too, and when they run they dont heal you? This pisses me off because I'm running around them waiting for a heal, I'm the only one taking damage, and they run around too, you dont need to stand 1 ft away to cast orison healing lol.
tommarrow
Can you cast a heal spell while you are running?
RPGmaniac
no, you stop running when you cast healing spells
quanzong
Scenario, mob chasing you, you dont want to get hit so you run, then your hench start running instead of trying to get mob hit them instead of you. Which is impossible to get the mob to F* off ya, because hench dont know if they should attack unless you attack, and your a healer, not a fighter, and when you attack 1st, mobs come for your 1st. Mobs go for other guy if person they attack run, and other guy is hitting him, but when you run your hench runs too. Really try it, run in a circle around your hench, and then your hench will stop fighting because it thinks your running.
I say like press ALT A for HENCH AI to ATTACK, and ALT R for HENCH AI to RUN lol. be more easier, for us monks.
I say like press ALT A for HENCH AI to ATTACK, and ALT R for HENCH AI to RUN lol. be more easier, for us monks.
Big Tony
When you target a baddie with ctrl+shift+space bar, the henchies "should" keep attacking the target until you are out of their agro bubble, giving you a second to reposition if you need to. I have to call almost every target when I'm running with henchies or they just stand there and do nothing.
VGJustice
quanzong, that example you mention is where kiting comes into play. What you need to do is run around another target, say one of your Warrior henchies. Don't attack the monster, that only makes it attack you. Just move close to the harder target and try to get the monster to change its mind about you. Then, heal away.
Is that easy to do? Heck no. Some monsters love the taste of Monk-flesh and will attack you and only you. At that point, you just need to either mitigate the damage you're taking or take that one out first.
Is that easy to do? Heck no. Some monsters love the taste of Monk-flesh and will attack you and only you. At that point, you just need to either mitigate the damage you're taking or take that one out first.
DarkGanni
Worst thing I hate from hench is when for example: Stefan dies, Lina and Alesia both alive and reyna or any other non-monk type hench uses Resurrection Signet. This is something I hate and should be fixed.
moko
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Worst thing I hate from hench is when for example: Stefan dies, Lina and Alesia both alive and reyna or any other non-monk type hench uses Resurrection Signet. This is something I hate and should be fixed.
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if theres no enemies left, i dont think they use a res signet :/
Silent Kitty
The thing I really hate is when the healer ressurects, they stand on top of the body. It is like they have no range. I know they can heal from a range, but mostly they just don't.
Some monsters consider the ammount of health, and armour each of your party member has. That makes it look like they specificly target a monk. Get yourself the best armour you can get and a good health rune. The stronger you are, the lower you are on the monster's target list.
Superior runes that give +2 skill level are not always your best choice.
Ps. Hench are retarded. Deal with it
Some monsters consider the ammount of health, and armour each of your party member has. That makes it look like they specificly target a monk. Get yourself the best armour you can get and a good health rune. The stronger you are, the lower you are on the monster's target list.
Superior runes that give +2 skill level are not always your best choice.
Ps. Hench are retarded. Deal with it
maffa
Helps sometimes to carry a non requirement bow around with you. That way you can stand back and still attack a group and the henchies will still attack. Of course you will need to change your weapon for healing but it works for distance calling (for my assassin anyway).
felinette
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The thing I really hate is when the healer ressurects, they stand on top of the body. It is like they have no range. I know they can heal from a range, but mostly they just don't.
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To the OP: My monks hench more than they group. Once you get the ctrl+shift+space figured out and learn to stay well back, it'll be a little easier. I agree that there should be some basic henchie commands--this has been requested over and over again but falls on deaf ears.
Silent Kitty
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God, yeah. It's like they're protective of the corpse. Nobody touch him, he's mine!
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It only turns out bad when monsters are also whitin range, thus killing my only healer/protector.
wsmcasey
The problem I find with using my monk with henchies is that after you target an enemy you need to be within aggro range in-order for the henchies to start fighting the target. Otherwise, the henchies will just stay by your side until your in aggro range. Most caster and support classes try to avoid the front lines, but this forces you to be on the front line for a moment just to get the fight started.
Aerian_Skybane
simple answer, ctrl+shift+space
like said before, it calls an target to attack, but you yourself do NOT attack. Henchies go running in, just like you would want.
like said before, it calls an target to attack, but you yourself do NOT attack. Henchies go running in, just like you would want.
Dr Strangelove
I play as a smiter when I'm henching with my monk, problem solved.
felinette
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Originally Posted by wsmcasey
The problem I find with using my monk with henchies is that after you target an enemy you need to be within aggro range in-order for the henchies to start fighting the target. Otherwise, the henchies will just stay by your side until your in aggro range. Most caster and support classes try to avoid the front lines, but this forces you to be on the front line for a moment just to get the fight started.
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Celdor Nailo
we all know that henchmen AI is bad. i've always said the first thing that needs to be fixed in this game is the healer AI. alesia isn't chosen so she can go toe-to-toe with an enemy. she's chosen to stay back and heal and she simply doesn't do that.
wsmcasey
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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane
simple answer, ctrl+shift+space
like said before, it calls an target to attack, but you yourself do NOT attack. Henchies go running in, just like you would want. |
felinettes' solution is about the only thing you can do at the moment, but as a caster you still put yourself in danger by having to be the one to initiate the aggro.
WasAGuest
/sarcasm
Feature to command henchmen will be exclusive to Chapter 3 owners and touted as additional chapter content.
/end sarcasm
It's been requested time and again to give henchies commands or make them semi smart so we can at least get the protector titles with them - PuGs are so bad these days I refuse to even try with them anymore and since guildies are gone the way of the dodo, it's henchies are nothing.
Bad news is that Gaile has stated that Anet didn't want AI wars, they would rather us spend an hour lfg, then 30 minutes of watching people run off to unlock map sections or drop after they grabbed that elite they were after... then do it again. yay! that's fun.
Feature to command henchmen will be exclusive to Chapter 3 owners and touted as additional chapter content.
/end sarcasm
It's been requested time and again to give henchies commands or make them semi smart so we can at least get the protector titles with them - PuGs are so bad these days I refuse to even try with them anymore and since guildies are gone the way of the dodo, it's henchies are nothing.
Bad news is that Gaile has stated that Anet didn't want AI wars, they would rather us spend an hour lfg, then 30 minutes of watching people run off to unlock map sections or drop after they grabbed that elite they were after... then do it again. yay! that's fun.
Marth Reynolds
jeah, henchie are such idiots in there behavior..
for example we hadd killed al. but 1 shiroken warrior with 1/4 life left and our 1st healer monk and mage were dead.
during the fight the warrior dies and the other healer monk just walks up to his corpse and starts ressing while she had only 1/4 life left, and she got killed (again)... this new ressing during battle is getting them killed way faster way to go Anet.... (only reffering to the monks casting res spells)
for example we hadd killed al. but 1 shiroken warrior with 1/4 life left and our 1st healer monk and mage were dead.
during the fight the warrior dies and the other healer monk just walks up to his corpse and starts ressing while she had only 1/4 life left, and she got killed (again)... this new ressing during battle is getting them killed way faster way to go Anet.... (only reffering to the monks casting res spells)
Hephaestus Ram
I'm going to go out on a limb here and just say it.
(shields up! )
If you guys are to dumb to learn how the henches act and adapt
to them in the way you play when with them. You're probably too
dumb to be in a position to give them commands too.
My poor mesmer just had to do the THK bonus with them after
spending 2 hours trying to get a group going. After being booted
from a group with three (that's right... three) monks because they
decided to try for a fourth monk, I just gave up and took the henches .
The only mission / bonus I haven't been able to get with them so
far is the Aurora Glade bonus.
So.... again, if you can't learn to control yourself when working with
the henches. What makes you think you're so sharp that you can
give commands to seven others while in the middle of a tough battle?
Huh? Tell me.
(shields up! )
If you guys are to dumb to learn how the henches act and adapt
to them in the way you play when with them. You're probably too
dumb to be in a position to give them commands too.
My poor mesmer just had to do the THK bonus with them after
spending 2 hours trying to get a group going. After being booted
from a group with three (that's right... three) monks because they
decided to try for a fourth monk, I just gave up and took the henches .
The only mission / bonus I haven't been able to get with them so
far is the Aurora Glade bonus.
So.... again, if you can't learn to control yourself when working with
the henches. What makes you think you're so sharp that you can
give commands to seven others while in the middle of a tough battle?
Huh? Tell me.
wsmcasey
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and just say it.
(shields up! ) If you guys are to dumb to learn how the henches act and adapt to them in the way you play when with them. You're probably too dumb to be in a position to give them commands too. My poor mesmer just had to do the THK bonus with them after spending 2 hours trying to get a group going. After being booted from a group with three (that's right... three) monks because they decided to try for a fourth monk, I just gave up and took the henches . The only mission / bonus I haven't been able to get with them so far is the Aurora Glade bonus. So.... again, if you can't learn to control yourself when working with the henches. What makes you think you're so sharp that you can give commands to seven others while in the middle of a tough battle? Huh? Tell me. |
Your incredibly skilled at making friends and influencing people.
/end sarcasm
felinette
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The only mission / bonus I haven't been able to get with them so far is the Aurora Glade bonus.
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So.... again, if you can't learn to control yourself when working with the henches. What makes you think you're so sharp that you can give commands to seven others while in the middle of a tough battle? |
@WasAGuest: They're probably too busy working on the next useless trinket that'll clutter up everyone's inventory, so they don't have time to spend on trivialities like better henchie control. Ya know, stuff that'll actually improve the game.
Seriously, though, it would be great if it was always possible to find a PUG where nobody ragequits or afk's, but the GW community isn't all that great in that respect, and with no support in the game for forming groups, Anet would be wise to improve henchie control in order to retain players.
Silent Kitty
This is turning in an other "Henchies are stupid" thread.
Sooty
This may just be me, or maybe i'm missing something fundamental but....Canthan henchies seem 100 times better than Tyrian henchies, especially the healers. If you call out that you have a condition on you in Cantha, the healer henchie actually removes it almost instantly!! Try getting Alesia to do that.
When I come back to play in Tyria I find myself wishing Tyrian henchies would get a brain transplant from their Canthan counterparts.
Has it been said anywhere by someone official that the Canthan henchies' ai was deliberately made superior to tyrian?
Maybe Prophecies would just be way too easy with Canthan henchie ai.
Also, I recently took some henchies out for a stroll from iron mines to grotto and ran into some friendly mursaat. I'm pretty sure they weren't infused since most of the poor blighters died within seconds.
When I come back to play in Tyria I find myself wishing Tyrian henchies would get a brain transplant from their Canthan counterparts.
Has it been said anywhere by someone official that the Canthan henchies' ai was deliberately made superior to tyrian?
Maybe Prophecies would just be way too easy with Canthan henchie ai.
Also, I recently took some henchies out for a stroll from iron mines to grotto and ran into some friendly mursaat. I'm pretty sure they weren't infused since most of the poor blighters died within seconds.
quanzong
I'm totally cool with monk henchmen AI, alesia isnt that bad. And res sig durning battle I'm cool with that. I like how they run with you when you turn away from the group of mobs and start running.
What I dont like is how henchmen run away, when your just running around, getting that troll or white mantle off your a--. Whenever I just run in little circle or toward henchmen, they seem to think, its time to start running, and I'm actually just finding a better spot to heal them. I havent tried ctrl shift space yet, but thats kinda stupid, it uses both your hands, lol.
I would like to make henchmen attack a mob, without me provoking it, because for me, mobs come for the person that provoked it (getting your aggro circle on him), and I dont like that, I cannot handle 2+ hexes, on me, then some warrior starts hacking my health.
What I dont like is how henchmen run away, when your just running around, getting that troll or white mantle off your a--. Whenever I just run in little circle or toward henchmen, they seem to think, its time to start running, and I'm actually just finding a better spot to heal them. I havent tried ctrl shift space yet, but thats kinda stupid, it uses both your hands, lol.
I would like to make henchmen attack a mob, without me provoking it, because for me, mobs come for the person that provoked it (getting your aggro circle on him), and I dont like that, I cannot handle 2+ hexes, on me, then some warrior starts hacking my health.