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RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

30 Jun 2006 at 12:25 - 1

That people...

1. Don't know how to Kite to save their lives

2. Camping Res points is fair play and not considered lame. So people think

3. Camping high ground areas is the way to go.

4. People love standing about on high areas doing nothing.

5. People are unwilling to use their res signets ^ ^ No change there then

Come on people at least run about and stuff, its meant to be Dogdeball not Campball!

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

30 Jun 2006 at 12:32 - 2

Sounds like the same issues that plagued Quake and UT many years ago and had so many people like myself finally give up on those types of PvP games.

Amity and Truth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

W/N

30 Jun 2006 at 12:35 - 3

You forgot to mention that way to much people take this thing way too serious. Had a warrior flaming for several minutes, screaming noob left and right because the team lost. It's really rare i see something that ridiculous

fb2000

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

30 Jun 2006 at 12:38 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Sounds like the same issues that plagued Quake and UT many years ago and had so many people like myself finally give up on those types of PvP games.

aaaah dont talk like that

. theres always ways to make the campers move

*awaits ut2007*

Azmodan

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Mo/Me

30 Jun 2006 at 12:48 - 5

You forgot:

5. People don't use their 5 rez signets.

A little off topic but, does anyone know if you win more orbs for more consecutive wins?

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

30 Jun 2006 at 12:49 - 6

Seriously.I'm not impressed by this map.The lack of obstructions simply makes it a CS AWP map.

GranDeWun

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

30 Jun 2006 at 13:00 - 7

Well, it's not all so clear cut. People with any lag died right away - you can't dodge if you lag, even though you think you are dodging. And a lot of people foolishly tried to rez in the open as a nice unmoving target...

Best bet is to have 1 or 2 rez ppl in cover, with everyone else w/in range.

Best moment so far: a ragequitter. From dodgeball...

Auntie I

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Veritas Invictus

E/Me

30 Jun 2006 at 13:07 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

That people...

1. Don't know how to Kite to save their lives

<snip>
Come on people at least run about and stuff, its meant to be Dogdeball not Campball!

This is so true. Unfortunately it describes me. *sigh* I am so put of practice.

bubbadoll

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Brisbane

o Ameralia o

E/Mo

30 Jun 2006 at 13:16 - 9

Yeah, some people may not like certain things, but hey, who cares?.. it's the Dragon Festival.. yaah.

frickett

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Shinigami Keys [SHIN]

R/Mo

30 Jun 2006 at 13:18 - 10

If you try to use res you die.

Azmodan

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Mo/Me

30 Jun 2006 at 13:28 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by frickett

If you try to use res you die.

Yeah, if you wait until there are only 2 people left. But someone should try to rez as soon as 1 person goes down. I have rez'd many people during battle.

I know it's difficult, but it's much harder for 2 people to take on 6.

quanzong

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Somewhere cold

The Followers of the Messiah

W/Me

30 Jun 2006 at 13:49 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Sounds like the same issues that plagued Quake and UT many years ago and had so many people like myself finally give up on those types of PvP games.

In quake camping is allowed, and campers on high ground/ sky, do something.
However camping the rocket launcher is lame. When there is 1 on the level.

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

30 Jun 2006 at 13:50 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by frickett

If you try to use res you die.

I was designated "rezzer" last night and we won 10 in a row. Just make sure you're not in the front line when you're rezzing and they will have a hard time making it to you.

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

30 Jun 2006 at 13:52 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

2. Camping Res points is fair play and not considered lame.

This is why I eventually got bored with Return to Castle Wolfenstein. I guess I had my jollies with the Dragon Arena while the noobness lasted.

frickett

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Shinigami Keys [SHIN]

R/Mo

30 Jun 2006 at 14:00 - 15

Yeah I have ressed a few times as well, sometimes I get it off in time, but most of the time i just get zapped, but that is a result of my lack of skill.

Caleb

Nil nisi malis terrori.

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/Me

30 Jun 2006 at 14:45 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

That people...

5. People are unwilling to use their res signets ^ ^ No change there then

Come on people at least run about and stuff, its meant to be Dogdeball not Campball!

This one keeps me in tears throughout my dodgeball experience... For goodness sake people, you have 5 of them and they recharge! You cannot trade the rez sigs in for 250 Jade orbs, so please press the button...heheh

Tsamikayu

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Glasgow, Scotland, UK

Warriors of Ellimire

N/R

30 Jun 2006 at 14:57 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caleb The Pontiff

This one keeps me in tears throughout my dodgeball experience... For goodness sake people, you have 5 of them and they recharge! You cannot trade the rez sigs in for 250 Jade orbs, so please press the button...heheh

Never thought of it as Dodgeball before lol. I did noticed you could dodge the orbs but running away didn't always work for me. Don't know whether it was lag or just me suckifying hehe.

The most memorable moment for me so far in the Arena event was my entire team legging it when we were losing by about 2 (it was like 4-2 or something, really early on). So I was left entirely on my own, being spawn camped.

Unlike my team-mates, I decided to try and take a few down with me

Got 4 more and the score was 12-6 to them. Then they kept asking, agonisingly politely, for me to leave. Since they weren't throwing about 'noob' I decided to give up the charade ^_^

I don't know whether anyone else has thought of this, but I'll mention it anyway: a way to get back at spawn campers. Target whichever one is nearest to the spawning point, then when your team resurrects there (making sure you all target diffferent members of the opposing team) you can hit them before they can hit you. Usually. Long as they don't start running away and you press [can't remember name of skill but it's the instant death one] really fast.

Just thought I'd say that in case it helped anyone at all.

Asil Moon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Moon Kingdom

Reign of Xen [XoO]

E/Mo

30 Jun 2006 at 15:00 - 18

Hmmm I tried it twice and gave up. I Ab alot and I thought the Dodgeball game was very annoying. Just my opinion though. Also did they fix the problem about loosing the ranger pet?

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

30 Jun 2006 at 15:01 - 19

Actually, the best way to "grief" rez campers is to have everyone else in your team leave the battle but you.

Imagine them having to wait for your sorry butt to rez 10-12 times (I think it's once every 2 minutes as well) for them to score their win. A nice half hour battle to pay them back for using a marginal strategy, at best.

Gforce

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Isle Of Solitude

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]/[DoDo]

W/

30 Jun 2006 at 15:01 - 20

shrine campers ftw.. tell your team to target their number (like your teammate with (1) behind his name takes opponent with (1)) and all use the instakill skill, and your opponent is damn dead, as your invulnerable for a few secs(till you got your skill off).

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

30 Jun 2006 at 15:05 - 21

lol i think its a real waste of time, im not even bothering to touch at all this dragon festivel. I dont even know what its about so i dont even care. Id rather make some money or donate faction to the alliance.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

30 Jun 2006 at 15:11 - 22

After some Dragonball Z playing last night I figured out a few things myself...

1. Yep, kiting FTW.

2. When you get a good group that does rez, you can rattle off 13 wins in a row. What a good group that was.

3. ANet keeps finding ways to entertain. What an absolute blast this game is.

4. Some wins net you four orbs, some eight. Couldn't make the connection as to why though... wasn't too worried about it.

5. Camping the spawn point will get you killed... FAST. The moment of invinsibility you have when spawning is enough time to take out most anyone hanging close to the spawn. Saw it happen time and again... a group would camp the spawn point and all be dead within 30 secs max. Stay back far enough that invinsibility wears off, then let them come to you.

6. The high point isn't the ticket to victory you may think it is. We stayed on the floor, spread out a bit, and kited. Why spread out? You can be hit by a ball not targetted at you. I learned this the hard way last night... spreading out minimizes the congestion and allows you to kite more effectively.

Group I had last night, with the win streak... rez sigs would fly. It was great.

Akathrielah

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

30 Jun 2006 at 15:58 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetdoc

Actually, the best way to "grief" rez campers is to have everyone else in your team leave the battle but you.

Imagine them having to wait for your sorry butt to rez 10-12 times (I think it's once every 2 minutes as well) for them to score their win. A nice half hour battle to pay them back for using a marginal strategy, at best.

Ahh yes, griefing, whining and crying cause of the lack of ability on the part of you and your team.

Stop being scrubs, play to win.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

30 Jun 2006 at 15:59 - 24

What exactly is the use of Skill 2?

Its so awesome... we have the most moronic instagib skill at 1 with a range, or the point blank knockdown? Which dipshit thought of that one? Maybe instagib point blank and knockdown ranged sure...

Greedy Gus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Striking Distance

30 Jun 2006 at 16:04 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

What exactly is the use of Skill 2?

Its so awesome... we have the most moronic instagib skill at 1 with a range, or the point blank knockdown? Which dipshit thought of that one? Maybe instagib point blank and knockdown ranged sure...

So you're not smart enough to figure out the use of shock in the dodgeball game, and after asking, you go right into trash-talking whoever developed the game? gg

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

30 Jun 2006 at 16:06 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

What exactly is the use of Skill 2?

Its so awesome... we have the most moronic instagib skill at 1 with a range, or the point blank knockdown? Which dipshit thought of that one? Maybe instagib point blank and knockdown ranged sure...

I agree.It's like using a knife on an AWP map agaisnt a group of AWP'ers.It can kill,but only if youre lucky enough to get next to the opponent.It also does 80,which is strange cosidering it says it does 50.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

30 Jun 2006 at 16:11 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

What exactly is the use of Skill 2?

Its so awesome... we have the most moronic instagib skill at 1 with a range, or the point blank knockdown? Which dipshit thought of that one? Maybe instagib point blank and knockdown ranged sure...

When you have just fired off your dodgeball and are recharging, and there is someone else close to you not paying attention to you...

It's a very useful skill. Take them out long enough for the coup de grace.

ZenRgy

Zookeeper

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australian Discussion Posse HQ - Glorious leader

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N/E

30 Jun 2006 at 16:16 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

3. ANet keeps finding ways to entertain. What an absolute blast this game is.

Anet didn't make this, it's a copy of the GvG scrim build called Dodgeball.

fb2000

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

30 Jun 2006 at 16:25 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theus

I agree.It's like using a knife on an AWP map agaisnt a group of AWP'ers.It can kill,but only if youre lucky enough to get next to the opponent.It also does 80,which is strange cosidering it says it does 50.

it comes with 25% penetration itd seem
also, why would u compare two totally different scenarios eludes me.. u cannot dodge "AWP" (if im not wrong, been a while since i played cs.. not like theres much dodging in there anyway, just point and shoot...), whereas u can and should dodge the ball projectile in dragon arena

personally, i like the addition of the arena, its some change.. even tho im not planing on playing more in there

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

30 Jun 2006 at 16:44 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenRgy

Anet didn't make this, it's a copy of the GvG scrim build called Dodgeball.

ANet implemented this is a fashion that all characters can do. Even if the concept predates the arena, ANet made it what it is for the event.

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

30 Jun 2006 at 16:52 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

4. Some wins net you four orbs, some eight. Couldn't make the connection as to why though... wasn't too worried about it.

5. Camping the spawn point will get you killed... FAST. The moment of invinsibility you have when spawning is enough time to take out most anyone hanging close to the spawn. Saw it happen time and again... a group would camp the spawn point and all be dead within 30 secs max. Stay back far enough that invinsibility wears off, then let them come to you.

We were guessing last night that the number of orbs awareded was a function of your margin of victory over the other team.

Regarding #5, you're absolutely right IF your team knows how to handle it. Most quick PuG's that I participated in last night wound up targeting the same individual (usually the one that was closest). As such, they had already wasted their opportunity to kill during the invicibility period since they had targeted the wrong person.

I like the idea of targeting the number that is assigned to you, but even that in a normal PuG is a hard concept to grasp.

Astraea Zopyros

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Save the Ascalonian Rabbit [STAR]

Mo/

30 Jun 2006 at 16:58 - 32

I've had some awful luck with this game. Sadly, 13 out of the 13 games I played I was accompanied by people who ragequit the second the other team sneezed. Every game I played, I was the only non-ragequitter.

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

30 Jun 2006 at 17:05 - 33

Wow.

If it works and isn't an exploit (camping res shrine), then it's fine. They even get a second or two of invincibility. If you don't know how to counter res camping, then you need to learn how to. (Select DIFFERENT TARGETS.) Oh, and for people who have lag, yeah, that's rough, but no matter what you do, you're going to have lag.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

30 Jun 2006 at 17:08 - 34

C <Tab> <Tab> 1

ftw.

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

30 Jun 2006 at 17:17 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Sounds like the same issues that plagued Quake and UT many years ago and had so many people like myself finally give up on those types of PvP games.

UT was plagued by no issues, it was plagued by moaners who thought there were unwritten laws about camping, arserunning, bratwursting, and using certain weapons (spam?).

eternal pho

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

The Licious Fame Farmers {TLG}

W/E

30 Jun 2006 at 17:33 - 36

I was usually the only one that used all 5 of my rez sigs on most rounds.

Cyan The Archer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Denmark

R/

30 Jun 2006 at 17:46 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by fb2000

it comes with 25% penetration itd seem
also, why would u compare two totally different scenarios eludes me.. u cannot dodge "AWP" (if im not wrong, been a while since i played cs.. not like theres much dodging in there anyway, just point and shoot...), whereas u can and should dodge the ball projectile in dragon arena

personally, i like the addition of the arena, its some change.. even tho im not planing on playing more in there

Ever seen Matrix? You can dodge bullets

___

Why is people whining about this game? A guild came up with a fun game for scrimmages, and Anet just made it easier. Anet gave us what some people wanted.

dansamy

Chasing Dragons

Join Date: May 2005

Lost in La-La Land

LFGuild

Mo/Me

30 Jun 2006 at 18:03 - 38

Guys, don't forget there are a lot of PvE-only players that try out these little arenas during special events. So, they may not be as adept at orb dodging as those who use dodgeball for kiting practice all the time.

And yes, this is dodgeball. This isn't Anet's brainchild. Some PvP players (I think it was some of Te's folks, but I can't recall.) designed the idea to practice kiting/strafing projectiles.

Justafyme

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

30 Jun 2006 at 18:58 - 39

My team from last night couldn't quite figure out how jade orbs were awarded either. We were on a 20 game winning streak (and as mentioned above, sometimes we got 4 orbs and sometimes 8)...it didn't seem to be due to the point difference...on a 6-20 match we only got 4..but on a 18-20 we got 8...so, I don't know if it's glitched..or if it's a time thing..or just random.

I have to say though..I love this game..I haven't really pvp'd much..but this makes me think about giving it a try. I know it's completely different..(not all the same build etc..) but it made me think that playing with other people could possibly be fun.

I was quite shocked though at how many rage quitters there were on the other teams. And how many people just started screaming and swearing. Hmmmm maybe on second thought...I'll stay away from pvp. LOL

And last but not least...I like the kowtow skill. There's a cheap thrill involved in running into the battle like a kamikaze and making your "enemy" bow down. hehehehe

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

30 Jun 2006 at 19:52 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth`

UT was plagued by no issues, it was plagued by moaners who thought there were unwritten laws about camping, arserunning, bratwursting, and using certain weapons (spam?).

lol, ok.