Well, since I saw the message few sec ago that Ruyijo wanted our help to aid him, I noticed it was for the mission. When I fought against Grasp and others minions like in Tombs, I asked few questions: Where they come from really? In a Chaos Realm? If the Hall of Heroes as many gates over the world, did they use it to destroy over the World?
Sounds ridiculous but I think this threat will be one thing we must clear in a futur chapter. The reason why I said that is because they keep groing.
Area Affected: Tomb of Primeval King and the Isle of Shin Jea Monastary. In Nightfall, I'm sure this will happens again.
Chaos in the world
Francis Demeules
Avarre
They likely came from another planar realm. The realm of Menzies. That would explain why the Darknesses drop shadow weapons (all the greens). Since all places are joined by the rift, they found a way to open a gate.
Might happen again. We might get an enterable Menzies realm as part of the storyline of topk/fow.
Might happen again. We might get an enterable Menzies realm as part of the storyline of topk/fow.
heist23
hmm....Menzies could be the leader of this Chaos realm, or he could be a minion. or he could be unrelated to this completely, and ANet just decided to add in shadow weapons to look nice and satisfy all the players...
there's probably a Chaos realm in the Mists... maybe because of that vicinity they invaded the Underworld and got to the Hall of Heroes.
there's probably a Chaos realm in the Mists... maybe because of that vicinity they invaded the Underworld and got to the Hall of Heroes.
Avarre
Menzies is the leader of his realm, the self styled 'Lord of Destruction'. Though its all speculation and probably unlinked, while making the most sense.
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
I was talking about this is the other threads, I do believe that these enemies are going to be what "bridhes" all of the chapterstogether, these creatures ARE evil, since these creatures exist on another plane of reality, theoretically by creating the right rift, they can access any part of the GW world, currently we are of course at only the tip of the iceberg, but we are gettting closer with more powerful creatures appearing like terrorclaws, in any case these creatures will very likely invade every land that humans have set foot on, their reason we do not know yet, all we know is that they are evil and they can pop up wherever they please.
I am very firm in my idea at this will lead to the greater over arching basice of most games, Good Vs. Evil
I am very firm in my idea at this will lead to the greater over arching basice of most games, Good Vs. Evil
Jenosavel
I'd like to note that Lyssa's the goddess of chaos. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if she had something to do with all of it.
Arkanius
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I'd like to note that Lyssa's the goddess of chaos. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if she had something to do with all of it.
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Mesmers arent affected by the Monster skills used by the Graps of Insanity.
"The Darkness" bosses are Mesmers.
Whoa Mesmers > Lyssa > New realm?
Also Insanity is also tied with Illusion and such... Meh
Avarre
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I'd like to note that Lyssa's the goddess of chaos. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if she had something to do with all of it.
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The Darknesses drop Shadow weapons, the equipment of the Army of Menzies. Menzies also has a track record of invading planes..
Rikimaru
There's.... seriously a plot-character named "Menzies"?
Where does it mention him?
Where does it mention him?
Saphatorael
Well... there's the Priest of Menzies boss in FoW...
Pretty interesting stuff here, actually, i never recognized a structure in this entire portal/chaos thing, i was just glad there were new challenges to do...
Pretty interesting stuff here, actually, i never recognized a structure in this entire portal/chaos thing, i was just glad there were new challenges to do...
Francis Demeules
Wondering if we will fighting the Lord of Destruction in a Chapter? 
For the moment, I think the minions wanted to use Hall of Heroes to open many gates to invade the other Realms. We saw them invading the world of Tyria, perhaps they try to invade the other Realms as well like Gods Planes.
For the moment, I think the minions wanted to use Hall of Heroes to open many gates to invade the other Realms. We saw them invading the world of Tyria, perhaps they try to invade the other Realms as well like Gods Planes.
Avarre
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serpant queen
ok the best i could find was refrnc 2 the manuscripts book 1, the rift, or the mists -they are the source of all good and evil, of all matter and knowledge it is sed that all forms of life, no mater how simplw or complex can trace it oragens 2 this 1 place.- so my gess is is that lord odran plays a key part in this as he opend a portl 2 the rift and it says he used it as his own personal gateway by opening portals 2 other relms most lykly he is the corse for this chaos
Francis Demeules
1) Even I can understand what you writed, I still lacking to understand the "broken keyboard" types
Maybe Odran has opened the Chaos gates without knowledge of this threat. But close it after by putting a ward to the doors in the multiverse. He died by the Spirits (generally Ghostly Heroes I think) who wanted retribution against him by trespassing the HoH as mortal and use it as a fortress of it own and the Wards fell. Thombs of Primeval King has a Gate and Battle Isles has another one too. 2 Gates in the world of Tyria that we know. I'm sure, one day, the storyline will bring us to Hall of Heroes for something. Maybe its a place in PvP, but perhaps a big parts in a Chapter.
Another thing I thought. If we blow HoH, the Chaos gate will not close because I think, its the Menzies Army who create these Portals.
I havent really tried during the event the mission. Someone can tell me if The Darknesses were there during this mission?
Maybe Odran has opened the Chaos gates without knowledge of this threat. But close it after by putting a ward to the doors in the multiverse. He died by the Spirits (generally Ghostly Heroes I think) who wanted retribution against him by trespassing the HoH as mortal and use it as a fortress of it own and the Wards fell. Thombs of Primeval King has a Gate and Battle Isles has another one too. 2 Gates in the world of Tyria that we know. I'm sure, one day, the storyline will bring us to Hall of Heroes for something. Maybe its a place in PvP, but perhaps a big parts in a Chapter.
Another thing I thought. If we blow HoH, the Chaos gate will not close because I think, its the Menzies Army who create these Portals.
I havent really tried during the event the mission. Someone can tell me if The Darknesses were there during this mission?
Avarre
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He died by the Spirits (generally Ghostly Heroes I think)
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Ok the best that I could find was reference to the manuscripts book 1; the Rift, or the mists - they are the source of all good and evil, of all matter and knowledge, it is said that all forms of life, no matter how simple or complex can trace its origins to this place. So my guess is is that Lord Odran plays a key part in this as he opened a portal to the Rift, and it says he used it as his own personal gateway by opening portals to other realms most likely he is the cause for this chaos.
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Roupe
Balthazar's realm gets attacked . Even Grenths Underworld is under assult.
Hall of Heroes got desecrated by "The Darkness" & Graps, Shing Jea almost got overrun.
Shirow Returned & used Afflicted in a strange way for an even stranger motivation (get back his old life & torment those that killed him?),
The Lich blows up Orr, The Charrs rained doom upon Ascalon, The Titans get released after ages of imprisonment (Ok the heroes is at fault here).
All within 1 year (or perhaps 2)?
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I think Menzies is a strong candidate for masterminding all of this chaotic events
Hall of Heroes got desecrated by "The Darkness" & Graps, Shing Jea almost got overrun.
Shirow Returned & used Afflicted in a strange way for an even stranger motivation (get back his old life & torment those that killed him?),
The Lich blows up Orr, The Charrs rained doom upon Ascalon, The Titans get released after ages of imprisonment (Ok the heroes is at fault here).
All within 1 year (or perhaps 2)?
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I think Menzies is a strong candidate for masterminding all of this chaotic events
Warcheif_Jonval
Im getting the feeling that this could boil down to a god vs god thing later in the story.
Chaos is part of Lyssa's domain right? And since these Chaos loving suckers are popping up everywhere in our world (the one that balthazar seems to favor, seeing as we get his faction and such for killing stuff
), could Lyssa and Balthazar (whos got partial dominion over order I'd bet) be in some sort of Omnipotent struggle and we are but meer pawns in Balthazar's little squabble?
Probobly not, but that would be freaking awsome. Videogames need more titanic god on god battles!
Chaos is part of Lyssa's domain right? And since these Chaos loving suckers are popping up everywhere in our world (the one that balthazar seems to favor, seeing as we get his faction and such for killing stuff
), could Lyssa and Balthazar (whos got partial dominion over order I'd bet) be in some sort of Omnipotent struggle and we are but meer pawns in Balthazar's little squabble? Probobly not, but that would be freaking awsome. Videogames need more titanic god on god battles!
Francis Demeules
That would be cool to see all mesmers in the Lyssa's Realm and fightinto the other planes. But I fear to much touch ranger in the other side........
Avarre
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Im getting the feeling that this could boil down to a god vs god thing later in the story.
Chaos is part of Lyssa's domain right? And since these Chaos loving suckers are popping up everywhere in our world (the one that balthazar seems to favor, seeing as we get his faction and such for killing stuff ), could Lyssa and Balthazar (whos got partial dominion over order I'd bet) be in some sort of Omnipotent struggle and we are but meer pawns in Balthazar's little squabble? Probobly not, but that would be freaking awsome. Videogames need more titanic god on god battles! |
Balthazar is fighting his half-brother, Lyssa isn't involved! Much.
Roupe
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Terrorweb Dryders & Banished Dream Rider are Dhuums followers in the UW Quest "The Four Horsemen"
Avarre
Terrorwebs... brood of the Terrorweb Queen... also attacking and imprisoning the Reapers... not followers of each other... just both fighting you... *collapse again*
I'm more given to assume the prescence of banished riders and terrorwebs in TopK is out of straight developer recycling rather than evidence of a three-part alliance. Not enough to prove it, at the moment.
I'm more given to assume the prescence of banished riders and terrorwebs in TopK is out of straight developer recycling rather than evidence of a three-part alliance. Not enough to prove it, at the moment.
draxynnic
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Shadows... sent by Menzies (Destruction)... the Darkness are shadows... some shadows are mesmers, just like some eternals... *collapse*
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On three-way alliances - they could well happen, or they may not even be necassary. We don't really know who the Terrorwebs serve from what I can see (although I haven't done any FoW/UW, so I might have missed some evidence that people who have have seen) although they do appear to have some connection to Dhuum - so they could either be former servants of Dhuum or servants of Menzies and/or the power behind the TOPK/Shing Jea invasion seeking to return Dhuum to the underworld - after all, the evil gods (or godlike beings) may know well that the more of them they are, the harder things will be for 'our' gods.
Essentially, there's two ways of looking at it. The inhabitants of the Tombs can be a mixing from various sources (they could be an alliance, or the Terrorwebs and so on may be there because the individuals present defected from their regular fellows to join the power behind the Grasps), or it could be that the inhabitants of the Tombs are all marching under the same proverbial banner, but on attacking the Fissure and the Underworld their commander split his (assuming it is Menzies) forces to hide that they are part of a coordinated effort.
Avarre
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Ah, but what exactly are they fighting over? Or should I say who?
On three-way alliances - they could well happen, or they may not even be necassary. We don't really know who the Terrorwebs serve from what I can see (although I haven't done any FoW/UW, so I might have missed some evidence that people who have have seen) although they do appear to have some connection to Dhuum - so they could either be former servants of Dhuum or servants of Menzies and/or the power behind the TOPK/Shing Jea invasion seeking to return Dhuum to the underworld - after all, the evil gods (or godlike beings) may know well that the more of them they are, the harder things will be for 'our' gods. |
In any case, there's plenty of evidence Dhumm is destroyed by Grenth (testament of the Reaper, but the victors write history...), only several of Dhumm's surviving horsemen try to move back in.
My theory? The whole topk thing is just a mob. The banished horsemen want life back, so they're trying to invade a new plane to exist in after they were soundly whipped by Grenth and his Reapers, only remaining as banished spirits on the Chaos Plane. The Brood lost it's hold on the Underworld and is after new prey, after the Queen in charge of the UW assault was farmed. The grasps are forces of Menzies. They're all working together, but I think it's more of a 'hey, we all want to pillage the planes, lets gang up' rather than Menzies commanding them himself.
Urban_Nomad
When Whing Jea was attacked, one of the NPC's (A Zaishen) mentioned that the Darkness (grasps, etc.) came from Elona. Nightfall, anyone?
And the rumored storyline for Nightfall that was briefly published on a site but taken down afterwards talked about a corrupt leader who unleashed the power of an "outcast god."
Menzies in Nightfall? Or another god who controls the Darkness?
And the rumored storyline for Nightfall that was briefly published on a site but taken down afterwards talked about a corrupt leader who unleashed the power of an "outcast god."
Menzies in Nightfall? Or another god who controls the Darkness?
Avarre
Menzies in Nightfall has become quite likely. Wow, there is a storyline between chapters after all
Goats17
Sorry to be a bit ignorant here, but where is Menzies mentioned?
Avarre
Fissure of Woe, from several of the Eternal Mobs that are fighting the Shadow Legions.
Goats17
Ok, thanks. I'm going to go do those quests...next time we have favour............................grrrrrrrrr.