Caution: Festival Prizes Scam
SisterMercy
Here's a heads up. People are already trying to sell bulk Festival Prizes, saying that each opening gives you a chance at 1k. Which it would, normally. But it is possible to determine which ones give you the 1k before opening, and filter those out from the rest. I have reason to believe that there are some sellers (at least 2 to my knowledge) who are doing this, and selling off only the rest.
viper008
Thier is no way to tell which ones will give you 1k, wine, or bean cakes
SisterMercy
It is indeed possible. I'm not sure if I should divulge it, in case I'd make the situation worse. That can be the mods' call. Or I can disclose it to a moderator privately and they can back me up on it.
floppinghog
i dont think its possible to figure out, however, with the next stack of shit i get coming up i will test the way i think it could be done, and post back.
CyberNigma
I wouldn't doubt that someone figured out the pattern. It probably has more to do with the order they are dropped or something. Random numbers in GW are really a stretch at being called random (even considering computers don't do true random numbers).
viper008
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It is indeed possible. I'm not sure if I should divulge it, in case I'd make the situation worse. That can be the mods' call. Or I can disclose it to a moderator privately and they can back me up on it.
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beleg curudin
I heard an idea, and it could also be used to filter out rice cakes, and orbs. That is sololy determinded if a stack of 250 is not random, but set to each one having an individual amount, but i suppose if it random you could just do the exploit till you got 250k.
El Presidente
I've found that when my inventory was full and I double-click the present...if it didn't give me the plat, I knew it was one of the others...but I did open all my presents anyway...
I guess you could remove a present to storage...lather, rinse, repeat until you've found which are, and which aren't, plat...
I guess you could remove a present to storage...lather, rinse, repeat until you've found which are, and which aren't, plat...
Chaco Nautzi
I tried that with 100 presents, It only got me 6 plat 
floppinghog
it cant be determined before hand. as far as i can tell. enlighten me if you know other wise.
floppinghog
i'd also like to add, dont cry wolf, if you cant back it up. aka tell us all how so no one has a upper hand? duh.
kimo the healer
I got 1k back to back and the remaing 50 nothing but orbs/wine/cake.
If that's not random, i don't know what is.
If that's not random, i don't know what is.
CyberNigma
I guess some people missed it. One of the ways they are talking about is not a bug but just the way it works (I would not post a bug on here). You have to have inventory space in order to open a package containing an item (the item - orbs, wine, cakes - have to go somewhere), but not for a package containing gold (which goes to your goild count).
Therefore, by moving things around (you can figure that part out on your own), you can end up with a stack of gifts guaranteed NOT to be gold, while keeping all the gold in the gifts you obtained for yourself.
Once you have these gifts left you can sell them to others, who will be thinking they have an equal chance as everyone else of getting gold out of them, when in fact they all have itmes (bean cakse, orbs, or wine).
Again, this is not a bug, it's just the way it works. It's pretty lame to do it, but its a side-effect of having the items in the gifts pre-determined as opposed to being determined upon opening.
If that's not clear enough, then you shouldn't worry about it anyways. I recommend not buying gifts from anyone, though.
The same thing applies when you are salvaging items in your inventory. You have to have room for the salvage or it doesn't let you salvage it. Think the same way about gifts.
EDIT: Also, thx go out to the OP for trying to warn peop-le without spilling to much originally. For others, just because you can't figure it out, doesn't mean someone else can't. MD5 was around for quite some time before someone figured out how to generate collisions. Some people are just smarter than others. I would've never figured this one out myself either (nev er even thought about it). However, I do take warnings of scams pretty serious and use them as a guide to keep from getting scammed.
Therefore, by moving things around (you can figure that part out on your own), you can end up with a stack of gifts guaranteed NOT to be gold, while keeping all the gold in the gifts you obtained for yourself.
Once you have these gifts left you can sell them to others, who will be thinking they have an equal chance as everyone else of getting gold out of them, when in fact they all have itmes (bean cakse, orbs, or wine).
Again, this is not a bug, it's just the way it works. It's pretty lame to do it, but its a side-effect of having the items in the gifts pre-determined as opposed to being determined upon opening.
If that's not clear enough, then you shouldn't worry about it anyways. I recommend not buying gifts from anyone, though.
The same thing applies when you are salvaging items in your inventory. You have to have room for the salvage or it doesn't let you salvage it. Think the same way about gifts.
EDIT: Also, thx go out to the OP for trying to warn peop-le without spilling to much originally. For others, just because you can't figure it out, doesn't mean someone else can't. MD5 was around for quite some time before someone figured out how to generate collisions. Some people are just smarter than others. I would've never figured this one out myself either (nev er even thought about it). However, I do take warnings of scams pretty serious and use them as a guide to keep from getting scammed.
viper008
It’s not about being smart, not everyone tries to exploit everything in the game and it doesn't matter what it maybe.
sinican
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It’s not about being smart, not everyone tries to exploit everything in the game and it doesn't matter what it maybe.
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in short the "stupid" people are the ones claiming its false just because they can't figure it out...
viper008
so you calling me stupid?
Grasping Darkness
people are so mean and deceptive and self serving that every day i play this game im this much>< closer to deleting my accounts and saying bye to gw and any other rpg. but i better not say that in game or i would be trade screen mobbed with people greedily asking for my stuff before i go. kinda like real life eh?
CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness
people are so mean and deceptive and self serving that every day i play this game im this much>< closer to deleting my accounts and saying bye to gw and any other rpg. but i better not say that in game or i would be trade screen mobbed with people greedily asking for my stuff before i go. kinda like real life eh?
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Demesis
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Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness
people are so mean and deceptive and self serving that every day i play this game im this much>< closer to deleting my accounts and saying bye to gw and any other rpg. but i better not say that in game or i would be trade screen mobbed with people greedily asking for my stuff before i go. kinda like real life eh?
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People in real life aern't like this. We have welfare, we have charities, we have subsidized medical services, we have help groups all in real life. All these people helping out other people they don't even know. Bill Gates donates millions every year to charities.Inside GW, even the rich refuse to hand over 50g to help newbies open up storage space.
Which is a good thing. While all the real-life assholes are distracted by Guild Wars, we are free to roam the real world.
led-zep
you only had to attend any one of the mask ceremonies to see just how many immature a-holes play gw
yeah im so impressed at the cool way people lose their temper and swear at the emperor and then go on to swear at anyone who dares to stand near them when presents are dropping.
wonder how many people realised it was really nice and sunny this weekend if you went outside
yeah im so impressed at the cool way people lose their temper and swear at the emperor and then go on to swear at anyone who dares to stand near them when presents are dropping.
wonder how many people realised it was really nice and sunny this weekend if you went outside
RTSFirebat
Ok this scam is not cool. I think I'll add this to the event guide so more people are aware of it.
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
lol led, I went outside alot, no GW X.X, I also sorta get the idea of how to do the scam, but it is really fuzzy to me, but I am not going to discount it, in my mind, anything is possible.
meerkats
After trialing the way to determine if the present actually contains 1 plat without opening any of the ones that dont, i can say that currently there is no way to tell what the present contains unless you actually open it.
Methods used
The inventory full method (all slots in backpack, belt and bags filled except 1 slot, No gold on person)
Placed 1 Festival present in the 1 empty slot
Double clicked ited - get error (no avail space in invetory, can open)
Move Festival Present to storage
Repeat 50 times all gave same error (if any of the 50 presents contain a plat then theory of determination is false)
Made inventory space available
Opened 50 presents and found that 3 contained 1 plat.
You cannot open a present unless there is at least one free space in your inventory regard less if it is needed for the contents of the present.
Methods used
The inventory full method (all slots in backpack, belt and bags filled except 1 slot, No gold on person)
Placed 1 Festival present in the 1 empty slot
Double clicked ited - get error (no avail space in invetory, can open)
Move Festival Present to storage
Repeat 50 times all gave same error (if any of the 50 presents contain a plat then theory of determination is false)
Made inventory space available
Opened 50 presents and found that 3 contained 1 plat.
You cannot open a present unless there is at least one free space in your inventory regard less if it is needed for the contents of the present.
Arcador
Lol I gave most of mine to dudes in LA 
The funny thing was when I was giving the last ones some were selling them fork 1k 
at the same time!
The funny thing was when I was giving the last ones some were selling them fork 1k at the same time!
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by meerkats
After trialing the way to determine if the present actually contains 1 plat without opening any of the ones that dont, i can say that currently there is no way to tell what the present contains unless you actually open it.
Methods used The inventory full method (all slots in backpack, belt and bags filled except 1 slot, No gold on person) Placed 1 Festival present in the 1 empty slot Double clicked ited - get error (no avail space in invetory, can open) Move Festival Present to storage Repeat 50 times all gave same error (if any of the 50 presents contain a plat then theory of determination is false) Made inventory space available Opened 50 presents and found that 3 contained 1 plat. You cannot open a present unless there is at least one free space in your inventory regard less if it is needed for the contents of the present. |
omny
So you didn't try with 100k gold on you and free space in the inventory?
meerkats
What i said is true.
Furthermore, If you have 100k on your character (max holdable), and you open a present that contained 1 plat, the 1 plat is wasted. So unless there is a bug in the game somewhere that allows you do open a present and see what it is and then "close" it again there is no way to filter.
Furthermore, If you have 100k on your character (max holdable), and you open a present that contained 1 plat, the 1 plat is wasted. So unless there is a bug in the game somewhere that allows you do open a present and see what it is and then "close" it again there is no way to filter.
meerkats
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Originally Posted by omny
So you didn't try with 100k gold on you and free space in the inventory?
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tompilk
but you cant split the prizes up into a separate one to open? or does it open randomly each time? cis otherwise you could keep doing it until you got 1k... unless the prize is pre-determined...
Tom
Tom
NinjaKai
I think its like chests. There is no pattern to the actual prize you are given.
Jazar
I tried it with one present, but I put beans, orbs and wine in my invt. With no slots available i couldn't open it, though it were orbs ofcourse.
NinjaKai
Someone was selling festival prizes for 1k. They think wine is worth 800g and cakes 1.2k now is it just me or is that retarded thinking.
Jazar
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retarded thinking.
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meerkats
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but you cant split the prizes up into a separate one to open? or does it open randomly each time? cis otherwise you could keep doing it until you got 1k... unless the prize is pre-determined...
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MPagar
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Someone was selling festival prizes for 1k. They think wine is worth 800g and cakes 1.2k now is it just me or is that retarded thinking.
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Demesis
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Originally Posted by MPagar
Now that you mention it, what is a reasonable price for the presents? I was thinking around 200g.
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RTSFirebat
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Originally Posted by Demesis
I say 800g
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200-350g max price, none of the items held within are worth anything more then that. Only the 1K is worth more.
Kaguya
Buying the present is/was 25 tickets, at 15g per ticket when buying them, so 375g would be the absolute maximum. Entirely different case what they are worth after the event, especially when there's the chance to get 'useless' orbs after the collector is gone.
Terra Xin
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Originally Posted by led-zep
you only had to attend any one of the mask ceremonies to see just how many immature a-holes play gw
yeah im so impressed at the cool way people lose their temper and swear at the emperor and then go on to swear at anyone who dares to stand near them when presents are dropping. wonder how many people realised it was really nice and sunny this weekend if you went outside |
With reference to a person asking for 50g, the response is rather quick. Ive tried to offer money many times, but they've quickly whispered, "No ty i have the money thanks"
which is cool.
CyberNigma
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Originally Posted by meerkats
After trialing the way to determine if the present actually contains 1 plat without opening any of the ones that dont, i can say that currently there is no way to tell what the present contains unless you actually open it.
Methods used The inventory full method (all slots in backpack, belt and bags filled except 1 slot, No gold on person) Placed 1 Festival present in the 1 empty slot Double clicked ited - get error (no avail space in invetory, can open) Move Festival Present to storage Repeat 50 times all gave same error (if any of the 50 presents contain a plat then theory of determination is false) Made inventory space available Opened 50 presents and found that 3 contained 1 plat. You cannot open a present unless there is at least one free space in your inventory regard less if it is needed for the contents of the present. |
That's what I'm talking about, though - someone using their head to figure these things out (proving or disproving them) as opposed to just throwing something out their mouth and saying someone's wrong about it. Hopefully the OP will come back with more info if he did it a different way, I've only got 15 now and don't plan on buying anymore just to follow up (your trial is good enough for me).