The Deep(Elite Mission) Healer

I'have searched arround the forums but cant get any feedback on a build for The Deep for a monk. If you have a build or have a link to a build please post it .

oo been looking for a post like this i allso wonder =P
allso thinking when i ve been to the deep as warrior and at the and where the boss is sometimes 1Monk stay behind and 1 Necro whith Blood Ritual and together monk spamms healparty and necro use BR to juice up Monk energy is theer anything special you should bring if you planing to do that like ele has energymanage ment skill's should you use some skill from Ele?

Yeah i know but apperantly nobody wants to share there secrets.

^^

Why not invent some of your own "secrets" and make your own build since you can't find anyone else's build?

People, some originality, please.

Since you asked specifically for a healer, I'm gonna try an get a build together. I think optimally for the elite missions the teams would do best having a healing monk, a prot monk (not a boon/prot, but maybe a prot with boon who can help heal if needed), and a backup monk (like a Me/Mo or N/Mo or anything with 4 pips of energy regen to use heal party sporadically).

I'll post a duo monk build below the healer in case you wanna try that one out.

Healing Light / Word of Healing
Heal Other / Jamei's Gaze
Healing Seed
Heal Party
Healing Touch
Power Drain / Inspired Hex
Drain Enchantment / Revealed Hex
Rebirth

for your energy management skills either use both Inspired Hex and Revealed Hex or combo them with your prefferred e management.

Here's the duo build:

Mo/Me and Mo/Me

Mo/Me Prot-

1.) Reversal of Fortune
2.) Guardian
3.) Mend Ailment / Mend Condition
4.) Protective Spirit / Aegis / Boon
5.) Air of Enchantment {e} / Life Sheath
6.) Power Drain
7.) Drain Enchantment
8.) Rebirth

Mo/Me Release/ b/p

1.) Reversal of Fortune
2.) Guardian
3.) Mend Condition
4.) **Release Enchantments**
5.) Mantra of Recall {e}
6.) Holy Veil / Reverse Hex / Inspired Hex
7.) Rebirth
8.) Divine Boon

Basically the prot throws a couple enchantments on the other monk and the other monk pops Release Enchantments for an enormous party-wide heal. On top of this, the prot can carry boon to heal the party even more or bring Life Sheath / Prot Spirit to mitigate large amounts of damage.

The second build can also be substituted for anyone with 15-16 Divine Favor and Release Enchantments on their bar.

omg, hey draco ;D

i used the build from this little lovely topic.

of course, you can just run your own build as long as you do your job. its hard to make up a teambuild with other monks anyways, so use whatever floats your boat.

hmm ok i guess my build i got now will work then..

Maybe what ive should have asked what's an good healing tactic when you reach the boss and have -8hp egen
i just got this idea let's say ther's 4monk's in team then 2stand's back and dosent get affected by -8hp degen and then allso have an BiP Necro to juice up those 2monk energy and then monk's just spamm heal party that shoul be 160+heal combined after each heal party..

This is what i use in the deep.

Mo/N

divine favor:7(sup rune and head piece)
Blood magic:12
Healing:15(sup rune)

Skills:
heal party
offering of blood(elite)
heal other
dwayna's kiss
orison of healing
healing touch
mend condition/mend aliment
rebirth

Pretty much use healing touch on yourself, and everything else on allies. Only problem you might come across is if you spam too much. Hope this helps.

the last time i went into the Deep, one monk in our team let the warrior die in one of the first 4 rooms. After that some people in our group were really angry because he didn't take protective spirit. Another few people said it was logical for the monk to bring prot spirit. But when i read these post i hardly come across this skill.

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Thank you all for the feedback and to be honest it is not for me but for the general comunity to have a idea of wich way to go. Why not for me? well because my own monk cant enter factions yet(second account).
Also these alternative builds to the standart give more options for people to consider and try out. Maybe they are more comfortable witrh a build from here then the one they are currently running .

And for the creativity part... now other people have a base to experiment with(for those who are new to the game or new to monking) .
So now you all know my intention.

And i know i have said it before but thank you .

I love to boon prot BUT I can't in the Deep since there are only 3 monks and heal party is a must there =(. So I take a boon heal build instead.

Mantra of Recall
Divine Boon
Heal Party
Orison of Healing
Dwayna's Kiss
Heal Other
Mend Condition
Rebirth

Well when I was fdoing the Deep there was this 1 monk that said he was very exp he did seemed like he did The Deep alot and yeah he had alot of the greens and zodiacs so I beleived him now he used a smart Monk build which is kinda weird also in a way though maybe it works but his elite was Shield Of Regeneration and the other skill I saw which was mostlikely used was rebirth and seed thats all I can say sorry for not seeing the rest of his skills ;p maybe this didnt work but it gives a idea

Monk/Elementalist

16 healing
13 divine
rest in prot
Staff or weapon w/ 20% enchanting mod

dwayna's kiss
orison
other
touch
glyph of lesser energy
heal party
peace and harmony
rebirth

You can keep peace and harmony on yourself and the other monks pretty easily. Use the glyph everytime its available for the heal party spam.
James-

12 + 1 + 3 Healing
9 + 1 Divine
9 Inspiration

Ethereal Light
Heal Party
Dwayna's Kiss
Orison
Healing Seed
Inspired Hex
Mantra of Recall
Rebirth

I never run anything else.

I use whatever floats my boat at the time but I do bring a rez, condition remover and heal party.

well i had a monk that got deleted, and now in re-did it. its lvl 3, but my fav build was:

heal breese
orison
dwayna kiss
heal party
mark of protection or word of healing {elite}
heal seed or prot spirit (for Deep i would use seed)
essence bond or divine boon (depnding on area)
rebirth

i still have to get my monk to lvl 20 and try it in the deep... but i was using this build pretty much evrytime when i was a healer. worked great in FOW, SF and most of high end gaming places

hmm, this is what i take..

Monk/whatever
16 Healing
6 prot
12 divine


Orison
Dwaynas Kiss
Word of healing/Blessed light
Prot spirit
Healing seed
Heal party
Mend condition/Holy veil
Rebirth


You can be monk/anything... But you have no energy management what so ever, so you actually need to be paying attention. You want 16 points in healing and around 12 in Divine favour.. with the rest going into prot. Ideally what order you use your skills are, Prot spirit --> healing seed --> orison/kiss/woh (Depending on life) or just regen, then when seed runs out you'll need to heal the tank when he gets to 45% health. Recast prot spirit then repeat the cycle.

I use a Wenslaughs Faith and a bow that has a +19%, +5 energy mod on it.

well i allways take

heal party
world of healing
watchfull spirit
prot spirit
healing breeze
signet of devotion
rebirth

Usually Boon/Prot here.
15 Divine Favour.

i use a rather energy-heavy skillset, but i've gotten used to it.

orison
ethereal light
jamei's gaze
prot spirit
extinguish (i'm not kidding. this thing works like a charm b/c I request the other two/three monks to bring mend condition. this skill is the single fastest way short of using Martyr to counter death novas/viper's def/jagged strike/flowers when everyone in your party window has a condition deeper into the mission.)
heal party
mantra of recall
rebirth


15 healing, 10 insp, 12 DF. +5/20 and 20/20 gear, two +15/-5's for energy swap, and one empty weapon slot to hide energy for depletion aspect.

on a side note, i generally advise against boon protting there...you get overwhelmed too easily without HP, and one of the aspects will completely shut you down (shadows).

WoH
ethereal light
dwaynas kiss/heal seed/inspired hex/balanced stance (pick your favorite)
mend cond/extinguish (i tried both, preferred mend, but to each their own)
prot spirit (this is a MUST have)
heal party (this is a MUST have)
healing touch/heal area (gotta have a self heal)
rebirth/chant (someone has to cover rebirth for the 5 pad door, but as long as someone has rebirth, chant is nice)

As long as someone has BR, I have found no real need for much energy mgmt. I started out doing this with mantra of recall and found that to be a mistake. Word is better for handling the heals in here. Restore condition can work also, I just prefer WoH.

asides from the room with the huge worm, where is prot spirit needed?

i've never took Prot Spirit to the deep and never had problems without. Might try some builds others posted but this worked fine for me....

My skills as follows:

Orison of Healing
Word of Healing
Healing Breeze
Healing Seed
Heal Party
Mend Aliment
Rebirth
Divine Boon

15 Healing / 13ish Divine / rest in Prot


i found the Breeze pretty helpful in some parts with hi degen (flower room, kanax room). eg tanks that take additional dmg benefit full from the hp spam.

Divine Boon i use mainly in the first rooms.

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I have done (and completed) The Deep only once. I was monking with 2 other healers. I dont think any of us or maybe just one of us were running some prot skills. My build was as follows:

Heal Prayers :16
Divine Prayers: 13
Wtv is left in some Prot

Orison Of Healing
Dwayna's Kiss
Healing Touch
Word Of Healing
Heal Party
Divine Spirit
Holy Veil
Mend Condition

The only time a had a little trouble with energy (nothing a small BR can't fix) was the one with the creatures that casted Chaos Storm (like half a second cast so while ur casting u can easily get some energy drained) and ovbiously the last room because of the HP spam. Again the BR kept me .

In all other rooms WoH should only be used for anyone under 50%, enchanted allies should have kiss used on them , and orison for anyone at 80% or so hp. Veil for hexes. Divine Spirit for rooms where it seems u rly need to spam those heal spells.

I was in a very experienced 2 guild grp so i didnt doubt everyone's healing capabilities. If you're in a pug, u might want to bring some prot because u cant rly trust anyone.


P.S this build can also be used pretty much anywhere else in PvE.
P.S 2 Healing Breeze SUCKS (lawl)

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Ill enlighten u all to the build i run in the deep for my monk. its very good, has never failed me yet and ive completed numerous runs with it.

Mo/Me
Orison of Healing
Heal Other
Heal Party (a must-have skill for the deep)
Healing Seed (again a must-have skill for the deep)
Energy Drain (elite)
Drain Enchantment
Energy Tap
Rebirth

Attribute points - Healing Prayers 12 + 1 + 3
Inspiration Magic 9
Divine Favour 9 + 1
and watevers left over in protection to reduce down time on rebirth.
For equipment i use a mixture of shepheards (legs and feet) and ascetics (chest and arms) armor giving me 521 health and 44 energy.I typically use a Brohn Staff during my runs but if i should ever need a quick energy boost i always carry a 15-1 wand and foci.
You dont really need WoH as you have all the healing power u need in heal other, orison and seed and it just seems like a waste of an elite slot. E drain and E tap should help keep ur energy nice and high during conflicts (cant rely to heavily on a BiP, BR necro now can we ) and drain enchantment is very useful to strip kanaxai aspets of their demonic agility. If u really need to E tap can be swapped out for a condition removal such as mend ailment. Oh and ive done many runs with friends and none of the monks have ever carried prot spirit. again it just seems a waste of a slot but feel free to disagree and take it if u must.
I hope this has been useful to u. Good look and happy monking!

A more efficient method of energy management than the Mo/Me directly above:

Mo/N

15/13 Healing (swap the superior out if needed for DP; generally run superior)
11 Divine Favor
10 Blood Magic
2 Prot

Offering of Blood (E)
Healing Seed
Orison of Healing
Heal Other
Heal Party
Mend Condition
Holy Veil
Rebirth

Why OOB? To put it simply, the disadvantage just isn't a serious issue in The Deep. In the first room, huge energy management isn't necessary, and it's OK to have to Orison yourself periodically if you use your Seed efficiently. In the third room (e-denial), hiding energy and using OOB becomes invaluable to completing the room swiftly. In the fifth room (no enchantments), your OOB still functions. Finally, in the last room, OOB is the most efficient thing you can run for energy management. With all the Party spam, the disadvantage is just a non-issue. This is true for most areas in The Deep, but is never quite so clear as the last room.

You have to either do your own energy management or become the captive of the quality of your BiP necro when in The Deep. Becoming the BiP's captive is not a good thing for several reasons. First of all, your BiP may be a hazard to others, and do a poor job of managing his BiP timing to ensure that a) you have energy and b) he has energy to keep BiP going (and also perform secondary functions such as Well of Blood). This leads directly to you having energy problems, which leads to deaths and wasted time Rebirthing and regenning energy. Second of all, he may be a hazard to himself. I've had several BiP necros that had an unfortunate habit of saccing themselves out (most particularly in the e-denial room, where they would sac down too low and get exploded by a double/triple e-denial glitch). Then the necro would have crazy DP in the last room, and would have to back off on the BiP output a bit or degen out. Finally, error 7s can and do happen. I've carried off a group down to 8 members at the end following 4 d/cs (including 2 monks) with this build, and while energy was tight, it still was a fairly simple matter to keep everyone up in the last room.

Fleshweaver is highly recommended for this build for the +60 HP and 20% recharge on Blood (more OOBs). Otherwise, I run Ascetics, a +5 energy/20% enchants sword, the sword with a +15 energy/-1 regen Divine Favor focus, and a -5 energy/+30 HP weapon and -5 energy/+5 armor/+HP focus for hiding energy. If you're going to just get one of these sets of gear, be sure to get the focus swap set for hiding energy. It helps tremendously when you're having to deal with the energy denial to be able to hide a bunch of energy. Particularly as the common WoH monks will get completely shut down if your BiP is subpar. The really nice thing about OOB in that room is that you only need 5 energy to get back into the game at any given time, and the much lower recharge time than Energy Drain goes a long way.

Do your team a favor and bring condition and hex removal. You're going to want to be able to strip Blind from your warrior against the Carp, you're going to want to be able to remove Crippled, you're going to want to be able to remove Scourge Healing in the first room, and you're going to want to be able to remove Binding Chains. It's OK for the monk assigned to room 2 to tote Prot Spirit or Extinguish in lieu of conventional hex or condition removal (or both) for use when facing the rare chest next to Leviathan or for clearing Crippled from the entire party in the bridge room (or clearing it from your tank in the no-spells room). More importantly, though, you can save your team a TON of time by ensuring that your Warrior can Shove Restoration by keeping him clear of conditions with Mend Condition. Ele knockdowns are unreliable at best due to long recharges; you have to count on a Warrior who is NOT blind to save you 3-4 minutes by interrupting Restoration, thus saving you the hassle of killing that large mob AGAIN.

My preference is Mend Condition over Mend Ailment as the Carp stack two conditions (and the Blind comes off second) due to the lower recharge of Mend Condition; you're free, of course, to draw your own conclusions.

Finally, note that Extinguish is actually more useful than Prot Spirit; a competent tank running Dolyak and Watch Yourself should never need a Prot Spirit, and most of the things it would be really handy against (Nightmares, for instance) will just strip it anyway. It's a nice addition for the squishy that assists in the Kanaxai pull, and it's great if you catch that bad chest spawn near the Leviathan, but it isn't necessary, strictly speaking. Vent or some discussion with your tanks prior to entry (as you should ALWAYS be making sure that the warriors have KD, Dolyak and Watch Yourself, and an Icy weapon; that a W/A has Recall; that the E/Mes have Inspired or Revealed Enchantment along with nukes that do not cause monsters to de-aggro; that the SS has Spinal Shivers and the Blood Rit for self-sac after room 2; that the BiP has something to eat corpses with (commonly Well of Blood) and a backup Spinal Shivers...the list goes on and on for proper pre-prep to keep the elapsed time down).

Properly prepared and well-executed, The Deep should NEVER take more than 1:20 to finish. If you're taking longer than that, people are not playing efficiently. A single teamwipe in the first room can waste up to 10 minutes; poor play in any of the subsequent rooms can waste 5 minutes each, and not being able to pull large mobs because your monks can't handle it is in and of itself a huge time waster. Putting proper energy management on the monk bars in a Heal Party-intensive area (and by proper energy mangement I mean NOT WoH) goes a long way to enabling your casters to wipe entire rooms in one giant pull.

I must be getting grouped with bad tanks then, I always have to ps them, and try to heal the best I can... I seriously dont know if its me or the tanks...

I play as a monk in the deep and I've noticed lately that some ritualists try to join parties and are almost entirely rejected indiscriminately out of habit. When I've enquired why they are rejected I've been told "they're bad" or "they're ritualists duh". This seems entirely stupid to me when they have so much to offer.
They can spam a heal party equivalent every 20 secs for practically double the monk hp in addition to providing a +3 mending on everyone. While they can't match us monks for spike healing they are excellent at maintaining everyones health at a high level. Also, they're spirits affect everyone so in large groups (i.e 8 or 12) they are amazingly successful. Admittedly, they aren't so hot on removing conditions, with the exception of mend body and soul (and the deep is covered in spirits so check this skill out) and can't generally do multi person spells e.g healing seed, divine seed etc.
So, while they're not personally my thing they can be incredibly viable in these large person groups. I guess what I'm saying is actually give them a chance instead of rejecting them out of hand...I'm interested in what you think of them when you find a good one.

If you are going to go strictly heal use Balanced Stanced then Infuse Health for a spike if it happens then heal up with touch.

I wouldn't even touch that Mo/N build there is no need for the Mo/N anymore as builds are specialized.I would still use /Mes for MoR or E-Drain as OoB isn't worth it anymore unless you are a touchie.

[skill]Healer's Boon[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Heal Other[/skill][skill]Healing Seed[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Heal Party[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill]

I'm too lazy to bring seed of life and it'd probably help, maybe I don't need glyph consider the BiP necro that is usually in the party, but it works and the 120~ heal parties are nice if you're in room 2 spamming it.

I don't see why people running elite energy management. (edit : wow old post is oooold)

Since Healer's Boon monks are usually found in the Deep I have a build that works with that monk.

Mo/Me:
Healing Prayers: 16
Divine Favor: 15

Ethereal Light
Dwayna's Kiss
Heal Party
Orison of Healing
Seed of Life
Aura of Faith {E}
Archane Mimicry
Rebirth

This build has a couple of functions. First when you get in you Mimicry HB and now you are running with 2 elites. If I have room 4 (the one where you can't block) all I have to do is cast Seed of Life and Aura of Faith on the tank and an occasional heal when SoL is down.

Why Aura of Faith? 1: it is a 60 second (72 with 20% enchant) enchantment that adds 50% more heal to the target; 2: it heals for 72 on a target with Scourge Enchantment without actually triggering Scourge via the Divine Favor bonus only. If you cast Aura of Faith on a tank while my SoL is up it is actually healing him for 45 instead of 30. Orison of Healing heals for 238 (including DF bonus). Ethereal Light heals for 300. Heal Party will heal the target for 189. The other monks also see the boost in the heal on the target thereby making all heals on the pulling tank more effective. It also is good for a cover enchant at the end when the party is needing to knock Kanaxai down twice. The nightmares strip Aura of Faith first and hopefully by then the second knockdown has occurred.

Archane Mimicry also has another use in the Deep. At times I can Mimicry Blood is Power and cast it back on the BiP and helping him out with energy... such as if he is rezzed with Rebirth he will have no energy. I can BiP him and the rezzing monk while the BiP is replenishing his energy pool. Also in the energy surge room I feel the BiP with energy is more important to the team than me not having 15% DP. I explain to the BiP to go through the gate. Once everyone else is through I steal BiP and sacrifice down.

if I really had to I could Mimicry Shove from one of the tanks and use it but I haven't had a reason to do so.

Seed of Life is very powerful here as most may know. There is one place when the party is transitioning from the Scorpion Aspect room to the next. Just cast SoL on one of the party members that is running. As they run they are taking 25 damage and SoL is healing the party for 30.

My build
as a room 1/3/4 monk

Healing 16
divine 13
rest in Protective

PS
Dwayna's Kiss
Heal Other
HP
HB
Seed of Life
Healing Seed
Rebirth

repeatly spamming the seeds almost keep tanks undefeatable in first room
only need a few times of Dwayna's Kiss when facing the aspect.

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in room 2
I would use LoD>HP and mimicry>HB

LoD + mimcry HB is extremely useful in the enegy lossing room
becoz you have no energy and everyone needs healing.

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